Who is typical ammo buyer and who shops at Walmart? Why is it a surprise when local Walmart has no popular handgun and assault-style rifle ammo? Is 2 +2 = 7 now? To add insult to injury shooting department at typical store is very small and they do not get pallets of ammo with each shipment.
an entire year of shooting lost to the hoarders and gougers
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huntsman
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so your plan fell apart, the problem is you and a bunch of other shooters all thought the same. Makes one wonder if the real issue here isn't the lack of .22lr but the high cost of centerfire ammo.
Also, there is no way prepare for constant shortages. How much is enough? We all know that there will be more mass shootings. There are crazy people in the world. Now, everytime it happens, panic mode. I'm not made of money to where I can just stock up on thousands of rounds of ammo. These are new times. I don't think it's ever going back to the way it was pre-Sandy Hook.
Well, while we cannot be prepared for every shortages, most of the shortages can be smoothed over with a little planning, both in the best of times and the worst of times.
You keep an inventory of ammunition on hand to cover some period of time. Currently, I plan for a years worth of shooting. During the year of shooting, I keep watch of what is on the market and the cost.
I replace some or all of what I need when I find a deal. I might even pay a small premium for a small amount to replace a small amount of inventory to extend the date i run out. But, I have a year to be picky on price if i want.
If I was actively competing, you bet i would have a good inventory on hand and would be looking to replace what was shot as frequently as I could.
Even in the best of times where large ammunition purchases are made, spot shortages can happen just because. It does not take a tragedy to create a shortage in those instances.
If you are shooting "hand-to-mouth" during these times, expect to be disappointed when waiting in line at Wally World, expect to pay high prices from scalpers since you missed the shipments at Wally World, and expect to be short of ammunition.
Finally, some folks who feel the ammunition companies are to blame for the shortages and high prices may want to stock up on aluminum foil.
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This is an ever repeating topic that I just can't seem to drum up much sympathy for. I have nearly the same amount of .22 ammo now that I did 4 years ago. I keep about 24,000 rounds (I call it planning ahead, not hoarding). I shoot as much as I want and still pick up the occasional box to keep my stash up. I have been able to make some great trades for powder and press parts as well without gouging the other guy... He had something I couldn't find and I had something he couldn't find.
The conversation inevitably hits the points where people just "Can't get to the store at 5:00am when the ammo comes in" or "Has a life and thinks it's ridiculous that other people spend so much time doing footwork to get it."
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), feeling entitled to ammo just isn't going to keep you shooting.
The conversation inevitably hits the points where people just "Can't get to the store at 5:00am when the ammo comes in" or "Has a life and thinks it's ridiculous that other people spend so much time doing footwork to get it."
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), feeling entitled to ammo just isn't going to keep you shooting.
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I'm with you. I may actually have more than I did 4 years ago. I don't keep as much on hand as you do, but I've got a few thousand rounds and I don't go through more than a thousand rounds a year of rimfire. I do think I'll up my stock though when it comes back. Maybe pick up a 550 pack each payday or something. Nothing in bulk that will cost a lot of money, but slowly build it up some.
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A regular shooter can only plan ahead so for. No matter how much he buys he is gonna diminish the stockpile if he can't resupply.... I view it kinda like gasoline in your car. Sure, you can top off your tank for a big storm to be prepared but what if the storm last longer than you envisioned? You either don't drive the car as much or run out of gas because you can't refill....The same thing is going on for high volume shooters.
Great post! I agree 100%
some people (the OP specifically) should maybe find another hobby other than just shooting. I find it crazy the amount of people who only have guns and shooting on their minds when they aren't working or sleeping. I may be a firearms enthusiast and enjoy shooting targets/clays and plinking but I also enjoy watching the UFC and boxing fights. I also enjoy riding motorcycles/ATVs. I have more than just 1 thing I enjoy doing and I was even a amateur MMA fighter for about 5 years. my advice is to take up another hobby for a bit til everything calms down.
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Have multiple hobbies. Then, during periods when acquiring supplies for one hobby becomes difficult, temporarily allocate more time to your other hobbies. In the alternative, work more and save money during your down time so you can stock up on supplies when prices and availability become favorable again.
Problem solved!
Problem solved!
Arkansas Paul
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Hey. I resemble that remark.
you were going to school us about business forecasting? in your infinite wisdom would it be safe to say when a Democrat gets elected the ammo companies have 8 years to get ready. hell after the hatred of bush a third grader would have known a Democrat would get elected while bush still had 4 years left being bush picked cheney who was half dead to make SURE cheney could not run paving the way for a Democrat. each party get 8 years in the white house handing the ball back and forth
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what do you get out of picking on the kid like that? he seems like a nice kid and was just stating an opinion. the sport needs young guys. and guys like you picking on the kid for no reason is silly
huntsman
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Guns are and have been a part of my life not a hobby, from my point of view the problems with high prices and shortages could be attributed to the Hobbyists
what I see over the years with society is a breakdown of character. what I mean by the breakdown is the acceptance and proliferation of greed lying cheating backstabbing looting gluttony egomania paranoia filing false insurance and disability claims cheating in school etc. the shooting community gun and ammo companies are not exempt from this plague so I think this has a big part of this ammo shortage
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I will say the high cost of centerfire ammo has caused an increase in my use of 22lr. Use too a few thousands rounds was sufficient for my use but these days that just is not enough. When the price of centerfire drops and thats a pretty big "IF" I'll no longer need the amount of 22lr that I need today.
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It was the price of centerfire ammo that made my decision to start handloading. Shortly after that, I started casting. Now I can shoot .38 Spcl, .40 and .45 Colt nearly as cheap as.22 lr. It does require that up front cost of a few hundred dollars though.
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How many more of these whiny, blame-someone-else, threads are we going to get?:banghead:
I used the shortage as a way to drum up interest in reloading and taught maybe nine more people how to reload
We had "reloading parties" for the men and teens at my church
By my calculations Americans have added maybe SIX BILLION ROUNDS to their caches of ammunition. More than any nation in the history of the world I bet.
Good job, Mr President! You preside over a people armed to the teeth!
We had "reloading parties" for the men and teens at my church
By my calculations Americans have added maybe SIX BILLION ROUNDS to their caches of ammunition. More than any nation in the history of the world I bet.
Good job, Mr President! You preside over a people armed to the teeth!
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When CNBC did its piece on the AR15 it started out across the river from us in Juarez Mexico. They said that Juarez Mexico was the deadliest city in the world and just across the river El Paso Texas is the safest city in the United States and they are armed to the teeth. They then cut to scenes from a local gun show. The thing is they didn't make the connection from what they said about Juarez and El Paso. We are simply safe because we are armed to the teeth like they said.
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Ooookkkkkaaayyy...
In that case maybe you could live to shoot and have producing powder, primers and brass for a hobby?
In that case maybe you could live to shoot and have producing powder, primers and brass for a hobby?
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I have tens of thousands of rounds of ammo on hand, but you can't blame me for any of the so-called frenzy. I started an effort to load what brass I had available a year ago January, and with what money I had available for components. A year and nine months of reloading effort has allowed me to almost fulfill my goal. I have not bought more than I usually do at a time, of components, and have not changed my shooting habits. I have not bought any factory ammo in years. I consider myself "prepared". Prepared from the LAST shortage during the Clinton scare, and just business as usual. The quantities I keep might be labeled as "hoarding", but it is nothing different than two or four years ago, just progressively larger. Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
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now that is cool, kinda like give a man a fish feed him for a day , teach a man to fish feed him for life, only with ammo
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