an entire year of shooting lost to the hoarders and gougers

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Damn, some of you guys shoot slow...

OP, you forgot the flippers. People that buy them cheap only to resell them at a higher cost. This includes those gun show vendors that sell bricks of 22lr for $50 or more.

I do agree that it has affected the shooting sports, even in a personal level. I haven't renewed my gun club membership due to lack of shooting, due to lack of ammo. I also have not done an IDPA or 3-Gun even in about a year now because its very expensive to replenish what I currently have stocked. 9mm and 22lr are still very hard to find, with 22lr almost impossible to find unless you go to the store right when they are stocking it.

I can easily shoot 500rds of rimfire in a weekend day (Sat), and another 500rds of centerfire on Sunday (combination of 9mm, 5.56, 7.62). Having multiple guns means you need more ammo to feed.

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For those Mathematically challenged, let me break it down for you. Its simple math really. For a shooting enthusiast/competitor who shoots 1k rounds a week:

1000rds x 52weeks in a year = 52,000 rounds.

Suddenly that 15k you have stockpiled does not seem very much at all...

Even at a modest say, 200rds/week (100rds rimfire + 100rds centerfire) that's:

200rds x 52 weeks = 10,400 rounds.

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Now does it make more sense????

The problem that some people don't seem to understand is that you have to replenish what you shoot. Right now that is very hard, or very expensive. Unless you reload, it is nearly impossible; and considering that rimfire can't be reloaded and centerfire components also disappeared during the ammo shortage.

If you only intend to shoot 500rds in 5yrs, then good for you. But that's only a brick of 22lr. To some of us, we can shoot that in half an hour.
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No it doesn't make any sense because you would have saved a bunch of money reloading if you're shooting 26,000 rounds of 9mm a year.
Even if your savings were $1.50 a box which I know for a fact it's more than that in my case for quality ammo that's still a savings of nearly $1,000.
I have shot right through the drought at a rate of 200 rounds of 9mm 150 rounds of .45ACP and 200 rounds of .233 and 100 rounds of .308 match grade ammo because finding components is much easier than finding ammo.
 
I suggested an idea called 'take back ammo day' . It simply involves getting together locally through gun clubs and local forums and try to get to the front of the line before the gougers and hoarders do. It would have been an organized event done once or twice a week and replicated throughout the U.S. the idea was shot down here on THR....


I only went shooting twice this year, normally much more than that. I'm not going to shoot that I can't replace.

While I might understand a run on things for three to four months after some extraordinary event....and then things get back to normal. That has not happened...it is different this time.

Now we are beyond three quarters of a year of ammo shortages, and it is not just a matter of only a few boxes on the shelves...it is no boxes on the shelves. So is it getting better? No it isn't, not here in Kentucky...
 
They are making the same amount of ammo that they have always made.
People are shooting the same amount of ammo that they've always shot if not less.
The difference is everyone wants to save their centerfire ammo and shoot 22 lr.

I've been shooting 9mm, .45ACP, .308 and 5.56 throughout the year on a weekly basis because I reload and I order my components 1 year in advance.
This means that there can be a drought for a complete year and I will still be shooting at the same rate I was 12 months ago.

For those saving up their ammo what for?
Will you be invaded by a platoon of troops?
Whatever I need for defensive purposes is sitting in magazines at the ready.
 
It's not about them not having it. It's about placing special orders in advance of needing it.
I order 6,000 round boxes of .224 projectiles 12 months ahead of when I need it.
I used to order 6 months ahead last year but I thought I better leave myself a bigger buffer.
I still had 3,000 left from the last box plus 6,000 completed rounds when I ordered the last box.
When I went in to pick up this box I told the owner that I wanted another box in 6 months and 3x 8lbs of XBR and another 2x 8lbs of Varget.
When you walk out of a store several times a year spending a thousand dollars ot more on components alone they notice.
 
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No it doesn't make any sense because you would have saved a bunch of money reloading if you're shooting 26,000 rounds of 9mm a year.
Even if your savings were $1.50 a box which I know for a fact it's more than that in my case for quality ammo that's still a savings of nearly $1,000.
I have shot right through the drought at a rate of 200 rounds of 9mm 150 rounds of .45ACP and 200 rounds of .233 and 100 rounds of .308 match grade ammo because finding components is much easier than finding ammo.
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What are you talking about?

I was discussing round count, not ammo prices in my post. How you obtain that much ammo is not the point, whether you reload or have bought thousands of rounds of ammo when they were still cheap. I cannot compare reloading prices and savings vs buying factory ammo because I don't reload.

But that is beside the point. Some people can afford to buy that much factory ammo if it was cheap and available. I sure can buy a $20 brick of 22lr ammo per week if I was able to find it, but unfortunately I can't.
 
I recovered from the need to post in these "I can't get ammo as cheaply and easily as I used to" threads.

Or at least I thought I had.

Darn.
 
I would have to say the original post is a bit of an exaggeration. More frustration than fact.

My suggestion is to be ready the next time, so your shooting only has to slow down, and not stop. Stock up like a good Boy Scout would. :)
 
Damn, some of you guys shoot slow...

OP, you forgot the flippers. People that buy them cheap only to resell them at a higher cost. This includes those gun show vendors that sell bricks of 22lr for $50 or more.

I do agree that it has affected the shooting sports, even in a personal level. I haven't renewed my gun club membership due to lack of shooting, due to lack of ammo. I also have not done an IDPA or 3-Gun even in about a year now because its very expensive to replenish what I currently have stocked. 9mm and 22lr are still very hard to find, with 22lr almost impossible to find unless you go to the store right when they are stocking it.

I can easily shoot 500rds of rimfire in a weekend day (Sat), and another 500rds of centerfire on Sunday (combination of 9mm, 5.56, 7.62). Having multiple guns means you need more ammo to feed.

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For those Mathematically challenged, let me break it down for you. Its simple math really. For a shooting enthusiast/competitor who shoots 1k rounds a week:

1000rds x 52weeks in a year = 52,000 rounds.

Suddenly that 15k you have stockpiled does not seem very much at all...

Even at a modest say, 200rds/week (100rds rimfire + 100rds centerfire) that's:

200rds x 52 weeks = 10,400 rounds.

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Now does it make more sense????

The problem that some people don't seem to understand is that you have to replenish what you shoot. Right now that is very hard, or very expensive. Unless you reload, it is nearly impossible; and considering that rimfire can't be reloaded and centerfire components also disappeared during the ammo shortage.

If you only intend to shoot 500rds in 5yrs, then good for you. But that's only a brick of 22lr. To some of us, we can shoot that in half an hour.
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This is hilarious.

I am most definitely NOT mathematically challenged, but thanks for the lesson.

It still seems to me that if you shoot that much and find yourself short of ammo now, you most certainly did not plan accordingly. It doesn't have anything to do with math. And if YOU did the math and still find yourself lacking ammo - shame on YOU.

I don't shoot that much and have plenty of 22LR ammo to last through the "shortage". I have also been able to replace what I've used at semi-reasonble prices (just one example: I recently bought a Winchester 555 pack for $30. Not pre-panic pricing, but not horrible either. For the mathematically challenged that's about $2.70 per 50 rounds.) I've seen 500 packs of Rem Golden Bullet for $70 or more at gun shows, so yeah $30 is "resonable" to me for decent bulk ammo.
 
I only have a few boxes of 22 WMR and 22 LR...both high grade CCI stuff. 22 LR ammo in bulk?

FORGET ABOUT IT.
 
I buy any and all 22LR ammo I can get. If you talk to the guys at the sporting goods counter they can usually tell you when ammo is going to be resupplied. Just stop by on those days early and buy it up.
 
I bet I have more ammo than you. I stocked up before the first Obama election in fact. Again I have enough ammo to last the rest of my life for every gun I own except my .22's. I "only" have 15,000 rounds of that. I got a nickel that says you didn't stock up that much. I can post a photo of what's in my safe and elsewhere if you like.
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...really?

You have enough ammo to last the rest of your life, for every single gun you own except for 22LR - and you're ready to sell all your guns? That's roughly the same as a toddler throwing a fit because his banana split only has one cherry instead of two. Boo hoo.

What makes you so sure you'll live long enough to use up that 22LR anyway? There's certainly no guarantee. Don't sweat the small stuff, friend. Can't believe a man who's over fifty years old needs to have this explained to him.
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Sometimes you have to relax and JUST SHOOT.

So you stocked up. Great. Now go shoot. If you eventually do run out of .22? So what? Go shoot something else.

Obviously lots and lots and LOTS of folks are finding .22 ammo, and everything else they want, with a little looking around.

And the panic cannot and will not last indefinitely. You'll have a chance to stock up again.

LET IT GO. Shoot it, enjoy it. That's the point of having it.

To say you're sitting on 15,000 rounds that you won't shoot because then you won't have any is daft. You might as well be sitting on an equivalent sized block of concrete for all the good it does you.

Life doesn't last forever and ammo is made to be shot. Go shoot it and get your value out of it. Possessing something isn't the goal.
 
You guys are far more optimistic than I am. Just because "it came back before when there was a panic" doesn't mean that's gonna happen this time. Things are much different now. Media overblowing every shooting, more people buying guns, more hoarding, etc. I truly believe it'll be scarce for a long long time. If/when it does come back, I believe prices will be much higher. I will NEVER buy another rimfire again.
 
Very entertaining! My favorite parts are the guys who complain about hoarders and flippers and then say they will by any 22 ammo they find. But unlike the evil guy next to them buying it, they are pure of heart and will put it to good use.
 
But I don't blame you. I blame your 4th grade teacher for letting you get by with a "social promotion". Better to pass you on with your friends than suffer the stigma of getting left behind.
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Actually I have 2 college degrees, both awarded with honors and am in the process of earning the 3rd but that's not the point. I can't say I'm surprised at your juvenile response. People that blame others for their ineptitude and cry about everything are the same kinds of people who resort to schoolyard name calling. You started that friend.
Also, the first sentence of your OP was saying how you were going to sell every gun you had cheap. In this situation that's the schoolyard equivalent of "I'm taking my ball and going home." But I'm the one you referenced 4th grade education with. :wink:

So another day sets on "Days Of Our Lies" where the truth gets mangled just to make your ego feel good. Despite your moaning I have a right to my opinion.
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You certainly do have the right to your opinion and when that opinion is posted on a public board, we all have the right to tell you how absurd it is.

And you will never change it because, well it wouldn't be the "high road" if I pointed that out.
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But schoolyard name calling and basically saying someone doesn't even have a 4th grade education is "High Road"?

Like I said in my first post, that's brilliant.

So instead I'll just wave goodbye content in the knowledge that I don't have to listen to you cry about someone else.
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So you start a thread crying, then leave because people are crying. Hmmmmmmm

It must be so sad to have nothing better to do than to distort someone else's views. Sad, sad, sad. I know.
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How have your views been distorted? Did you not say you were selling your guns cheap and the reason being is that you can't find rimfire ammo? Then in a later post you went on a tirade saying you bet you had more ammo than someone else and in fact had enough for an entire lifetime except for rimfire.

You make no sense sir. You're just arguing with anyone who posts.
 
I truly believe it'll be scarce for a long long time. If/when it does come back, I believe prices will be much higher. I will NEVER buy another rimfire again.
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A few months ago I would have disagreed, but it's lasted longer than I thought so what do I know? I don't doubt that prices will be a little higher either.
 
I'm about ready to sell mine too. I've gone to the range ONCE this entire year. Unlike a lot of you guys, I am relatively new to shooting and this is the first 'panic' I've experienced. Combined with the fact that we have also been very tight on money since we got married last year, 'stockpiling' and ' getting set up to reload' are luxuries I did not and do not have.

For the people like us, who are used to being able to go to any walmart or academy and getting some boxes of $10 9mm and $18 .45, this year has been crippling. Around here, I have not seen a SINGLE box of federal or WWB 9mm this whole year. NOT ONE. I did see some boxes of winchester rangers, at $80 a pop. I got a 1911 earlier this year, it just sits there, having been shot one time, only 90 rounds. If I do find any .45, its $50 a box. We tried to go to the range the other day, we tried every walmart academy in the area...no 9 or 45 at ANY of them.

So what's the point? My guns just sit there never to be used. I noticed rifle ammo seems to be back, may as well trade my handguns for a scoped rifle and ammo, at least then I would be able to actually go to the range. This nightmare shortage appears to have no end in sight
 
The gentleman is not whining, he is complaining, which most of us do about something, whether it be ammo, gas, the price of milk, or whatever. Might even be how your steak was grilled at the restaurant.

Whining is a immature, childish, form of complaining.
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He can't shoot his rimfires because he only has 15,000 rounds for them. Sounds pretty immature to me. Also sounds like he's one of the hoarders he's complaining about.
 
piece of meat, our derogatory comments are in no way aimed at new shooters who are just getting into the sport. And I certainly understand a tight budget.

My only advice to you is to be patient. It will rebound. It's just taking a little longer than expected. I don't know where you are, but handgun ammo is starting to creep back onto the shelves a little at a time here. The other day I went to Wally World and they had 9mm, .40 and .45 acp all in stock. True, it didn't last but a couple days, but it is getting a little better. Your area may be a little behind. I know its different in different places.

Don't let threads like this convince you that all is lost and to get out of the sport.
 
FYI: Even .22lr can be had. I turned down buying it several times on MidwayUSA over the past 2 months. And I have already purchased 3500 rounds of it this summer. Like someone else said, it's just a bit harder to find. But it isn't impossible. There are other places to shop aside from Walmart and your LGS. Be resourceful.
 
Ok. So sell them, if that makes sense to you. Or hold onto them and shoot when you do find some ammo, and/or when you do have the chance to get into reloading.

Life isn't all about RIGHT NOW. Generally, there's also "later on" to think about and things often change quite a lot between RIGHT NOW and "later on."

Yeah, it's frustrating not to be able to shoot for a while. That might happen for any number of reasons. Heck, many gun owners go months or years without bothering to shoot even when ammo is cheap. Life goes on.

No, the shortage simply will not last "forever." And no, the ammo companies are not stupid, nor evil, nor in cahoots with the antis. They want to do whatever will maximize their revenue (and thus, survival) for generations to come. They'll bring on more production capacity to stabilize at whatever level is really sustainable.

Which isn't the level that RIGHT NOW seems to demand.

In other words, RELAX. If you've got some ammo, shoot it. If you don't, keep your eyes open and meanwhile take up some other hobby to occupy your time.

Or sell your guns and give up the sport. That'll show 'em! :D
 
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