An update on the happenings in my neighborhood.

[cassandrasdaddy]

you're not here for the hunting are ya...
there used to be a politics forum here fellers like you helped it go bye bye. maybe a lil perusal of some of the stickys in these forums would help you be less like ants at a picnic

 

[siglite]

Anyway, Sig, why not counter some of my logic and reasoning, instead of dismissing it out of hand?

For two reasons. First, I don't think every thread involving warrant service on THR is the appropriate venue for discussion of the topic.

Second, I don't think every thread involving warrant service on THR is an EFFECTIVE venue for discussion of the topic.

Like I said, the ballot box is thataway. As are your elected state and federal representatives. Do you really think a gun forum is the right place for pro-drug rhetoric and lobbying? I mean, think about it for a minute. Is this really the right place for that?

You'll note that I have not provided my position on these things of which you rant.

Because... it's not the right venue.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

at least he left rp outa it

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Well this one is about as off-topic as you can get now.

 

[xsquidgator]

Back on topic... I think ...
I'm keeping a closer eye on the house across the street from me with the wildish college boys. At least, they have the parking stickers for the local U on their vehicles parked on the street. A number of young people coming and going into late in the evening... probably just kids having some beers with friends but until reading your story it wouldn't even have occurred to me that it could be anything else. That would be a hoot if it did turn out to be some sort of unsavory business, right next door to 2 houses where sheriff's deputies live and all.

99% it's innocent, but your story sparked my interest and I'm going to keep a little closer eye on the comings and goings of these guys' houseguests just to see if anything looks odd, as an awareness exercise for myself.

 

[LegalAlien]

Don't wear blinders

A word of caution to all THR folks reading this thread.
Read it and heed it.
Pay attention to what is going on in your neighbourhood . . . and in your own house maybe.
Keep an eye open for increased traffic and activity in and around your neighborhood.
It happened right under my nose . . . I sensed it . . my gut instinct told me something was going down . . I warned my significant other about what I suspected her juvenile deliquent teenager was getting involved in . . . but at times I thought I was being a devil's advocate and only seeing the worst in this kid.
Due to legal ramifications (which to date has cost me personally $3,000 in legal fees + confiscated fire arm and ammo!!) I am not at liberty to disclose the details, but in summary, I thought I would try and intervene in a subtle way - and I got implicated (OK FLAME ON from whoever). I have a court hearing scheduled for tomorrow and once the air is cleared, I will come post the details.
We had a no-knock SWAT-like raid and the kid will be off to a 'rehab program' in the very near future - unfortunately not soon enough for my liking!!.
So, keep an eye on the neigbourhood activity and if it looks suspicious and smells suspicious and your gut instinct tells you it is suspicious, then it IS!!
Take action, call the cops. Rather be safe than sorry.
Sorry for this hijack, but it is somewhat related.
If all goes as I hope and expect tomorrow, I will be back and post the details of how I ended up in this dilemma.

 

[drgrenthum]

ok, so i sold pot in college to get the money i needed to go out and party. Never did the drugs myself as i played football and was piss tested quite frequently. Would they be justified in a no knock warrant on my dorm room? I sold dimes and quarters of pot I didnt have an arsenal.

Seems this is a situation where they could have grabbed him coming out of a grocery store or getting gas. A couple plan clothes could walk right up within three feet and introduce themselves. I am not a LEO but it seems just as easy to me. At that point and time with the "accused" in custody why couldnt he be taken to the residence and be asked where everything is at. If there is another criminal on the scene i would think 3 or 4 officers walking to the door with their buddy in custody would stop them from shooting at the group. If he would shoot in the direction of his buddy, I would also assume it does not matter how much force you are coming at him with he is going to fire.

As for booby traps i think this would be perfect way of doing things. Make the accused open up everything, if he wont open up something, its is time to call the bomb squad. Of couse as the accused was opening things up have the LEOS 10 feet away with weapons at the ready in case they do something stupid. Maybe this is not feasible. I am sure someone will let me know.

Someone mentioned keeping an eye on your neighbors and to call the cops if there is something suspicious. How about getting to know your neighbors. If you see them outside say Hi!. Invite everyone over for a barbeque i think that is the best way of finding out who they are and their intents.

I was packing up to go to the range. I put a 10/22. mini 14, an XD40 and a box of ammo in the back of my jeep. I get a call from my buddy I was going to meet at the range saying he was going to be 30 mins late so i went inside to grab a sandwhich. 20 mins later i had 3 cop cars in front of my house because someone 5 houses down saw me load up and reported that i had an "arsenal" and was acting suspicious. (just having a gun is suspicious to some people) It ended well, besides me being late to the range and being told i should have a case for my rifles so it doesnt scare anyone.

Point is if people are acting "suspicious" to you. Try talking to them. Who knows maybe someone in their family recently died and people are coming over at all hours to comfort, cook, clean, etc .(maybe they are going hunting or to a range)

 

[BattleChimp Potemkin]

Drug dealers? Handle them old school! Like John Kelley/Clark! Naw, that wont work.

We had a meth lab busted next door to us in a relatively nice neighborhood. How did they get busted? Exactly how drgrenthum said. I said hi to them and attempted to meet them several times. Upon getting a whiff of their garage and getting threatened for "knowing too much" I called the police. They had to shoot the two dogs, the owners claimed they had as "pets" (most feral things Ive ever seen) and put one of the offenders in the hospital (broke his arm trying to get out of the cuffs). I felt sort of good, however, basic hospitality will get more information than "paranoid" looking out the window every 5 seconds, personal patrol with car or sneaking around doing recce will ever get.

 

[LegalAlien]

drgrenthum

ok, so i sold pot in college to get the money i needed to go out and party. Never did the drugs myself as i played football and was piss tested quite frequently.

And you sound OH so proud of yourself for earning your drinking money that way!!!!!!!!:banghead::banghead:

 

[LegalAlien]

Sorry . . that previous post was not very High Road . . . .

but these blatant drug sellers 'that don't use it' . .just gets me going. Does not matter how much you sell . . the fact is you sell drugs. . . . period.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Alcohol is a drug, and a more dangerous one at that. Go after the package store owners, LegalAlien.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[KelVarnson]

If you say this:

And no, I myself have never used marijuana, nor do I ever intend to.

You are not qualified to say this (at least as it pertains to marijuana):

Is unreasonably altering your state of consciousness immoral? Yes.

Likewise, you are not in a position of authority to say this:

Growing and using marijuana to get stoned is as immoral as making homebrew with the intent of getting hammered.

Not everyone who uses marijuana turns into a drooling idiot. Until you have experienced the effects of the drug, first-hand, in moderation, you cannot declare its use to be totally without merit. There's a reason so many artists and creative people have used this drug for so many years.

Men should enforce only laws that infringe on the life, liberty and property of other men.

On THAT I will agree!

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Kel, all right. I'll apply your logic to another topic.

If you say this:

I have never beaten my wife.

Then you are not qualified to say this: (at least as it pertains to wife-beating)

Is it immoral to beat one's wife? Yes.


KelVarnson, I never said that the use of marijuana was totally without merit. In moderation, using alcohol has merit. Not to get hammered. For the right reasons (poor anethesia for surgery in a pinch, for example) getting drunk is morally acceptable. For the right reasons, (prudent relief of severe pain) using morphine is acceptable. For the right reasons (relief of severe pain, for example,) using marijuana is conceivably moral. Smoking the kind bud while listening to Pink Floyd in a darkened room with blacklights to "Subdue the angst, man," is not a valid reason to get stoned out of one's gourd.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[KelVarnson]

If you say this:
I have never beaten my wife.

Then you are not qualified to say this: (at least as it pertains to wife-beating)

Is it immoral to beat one's wife? Yes.

Are you SURE you've never smoked? Did you smoke before you typed that? Because what you said is beyond ridiculous. Beating someone up clearly is causing harm to another person, so it is impossible to not see that it is immoral. Responsible pot use harms no one but the user.

Smoking the kind bud while listening to Pink Floyd in a darkened room with blacklights to "Subdue the angst, man," is not a valid reason to get stoned out of one's gourd.

Again, you are not qualified to make that statement, as you admittedly have never been stoned, so you don't really know if it is bad or good.

The sort of "logic" you are employing is the same sort of "logic" used by anti-gun legislators, who have maybe never even handled a gun, to make laws that restrict our 2A rights. That's really the gist of it for me. It's not about pot, it's not about guns, it's about people who don't know all of the facts making judgements that affect lots of other people.

 

[cyclist]

Azziz,

Thanks for the followup, glad the situation got taken care of for you locally.

As to some of the rest of you, start a new thread please.

 

[alaskanativeson]

Would the Mods please consider locking this thread since Sans has decided again to hijack a thread into a "legalize pot" thread? Honestly, it's getting old. If that's what you want, go visit one of the "Stoner Unite" websites or wherever it is the wastoids blaze their doobies.

Let's try to keep the discussion about gun related topics. The only way to keep drug topics gun related is to explain which caliber is best to use on dopers breaking into your house. I recommend something really large.

 

[neapoi]

A new angle?

Hello everybody - been reading here forever, but I usually lurk.

I thought I'd add my two cents into this discussion. Myself, I briefly used pot back in High School. Now, for a number of reasons, I don't use drugs. Truth be told, I'm an opera singer! Smoke is horrible for the voice! In my younger days, I knew lots of people that used drugs. And my philosophy is this; The kinds of people that use drugs are just as widely varied as those people who own weapons.

Now, I'm not trying to equate the two, but I am saying that you will find responsible people who smoke pot. They take responsibility for what they are doing with their bodies. Many of them lead successful lives with well paying jobs. Many of them are positive members of their community. My humble suggestion is that you don't judge the person right off the bat. How do you like it when you are grouped into a criminal element in the eyes of someone too shallow to see the difference between a law abiding gun owner and a criminal?

Just my humble two cents folks...

 

[BattleChimp Potemkin]

WASTOIDS!! What caliber is appropriate for them?! :O

Anyways, back to the OP, what about government help? Does anyone think this is a bad idea? City Council? School Board?

 

[hso]

While the wheels haven't come off of this one, it has been shunted onto a side track.