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Animals that are the cause of emotional strife when hunted.

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by H&Hhunter, May 10, 2011.

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  1. Ole Humpback

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    Remo, you really need to come spend a day with the concrete foreman I work with. He's 63 and works 10hr days all the time forming, pouring, finishing, and setting bar. I know that when I was working with him I was burning in excess of 4000 calories a day. I know that because I was eating 4000 calories a day and still lost 40lbs that summer. The guy worked longer & harder than I did and he wasn't dead tired at the end of the day like I was.

    We owe a big thanks to the Iowa & the US govt for this problem. The US govt subsidized ethanol production years ago when corn prices were low because farmers in Iowa said they'd vote for a candidate that supported it. Turns out corn produced ethanol is a pipe dream to say the least. Sure, you can get ethanol from corn, but its horribly expensive to do so both in materials & time not to mention infrastructure. For every pound of ethanol you get at the end of the process, you need between 8 and 10 pounds of corn. Funny thing is that agricultural wastes (plant stalks, chaff, grasses) & algae's are far more energy bearing than the corn grain. They also happen to be easier to grow and far more economical than corn.

    If we were to make syngas by gasification (which is a product of a catalytic reaction between vaporous hydrocabon gases http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gasification ) we'd be swiming in gasoline from algae or ag wastes. For every pound gasoline you get from ag wastes, you need only 2-5lbs of ag waste to get gas. For algae its one pound of gas from 1-2 pounds of algae. Catch is nobody has quite figured out how to make the small scale lab experiments scale up to large scale industrial processes. This was already taken care of with corn grain ethanol because its a nearly identical process to making whiskey. Problem here is that there are fewer people growing hay, processing ag wastes, or growing algae than there are farmers who farm corn.

    Ever wonder why Iowa is the first in the primaries? Gov't subsidies for farming are a big reason why. Sugar is also another prime example of gov't subsidies run a muck, but thats not the purpose of this forum.

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    I'm not trying to start a political debate, only wanting to inform about why ethanol produced from corn is causing feed prices to rise. Please moderate as needed to meet THR's mission.
     
  2. Remo223

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    Humpback:

    I'm a self employed owner of a small boiler repair company and I do much of the work my own dam self. I am also my own engineer and my own foreman. 12-14 hour days 7 days a week all winter long is what I'm talking about. I know full well no 63 year old man can consume 4000calories a day without being well in excess of 250lbs. I also know when I was in my 20s I ate more than 5000/day and still couldn't get anywhere near 200lbs. And I know what a foreman does and it aint much compared to what I can do. I've been in the concrete business too. You are wasting your time trying to school me in anything.

    As for ethanol, mr hump, I happen to live in iowa. The farmers know it is a hoax. But just what the H do you expect them to do? NOT grow corn? yeah right.
     
  3. Ole Humpback

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    I agree to disagree and leave it at that.

    As for corn, if I was getting that much money to support someones pipe dream, I'd be farming the subdivision I live in. But my neighbors probably wouldn't take kindly to me tearing up the area for corn.
     
  4. Cob

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    I saw this in an old Western, i think John Wayne said it in "The Searchers"...
     
  5. JustACowgirl

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    It's irrational, and I know it. You can shoot and/or eat any other animal on the face of the planet. But please, oh please, not horses!!!
     
  6. usmc1371

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    Ferral Horse! For some stupid reason it's against the law (as far as I know) to sell a horse for slughter for any reason even dog food in Oregon. The amount of money the BLM throws away feeding pens full of Horses would put our school system back on track in a year. If I could get a horse tag for SE Oregon I would get one in a heart beat and fill my freezer. It's easier to get close to elk in the Steens Mtns than to get close to the ferral horses, plenty sporting for my taste buds.
     
  7. H&Hhunter

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    USMC,

    It ain't state, it's federal. Check out the Federal Wild Horse Protection Act. In the USA it illegal to kill or capture for the purpose of slaughter any wild horse donkey or burro.
     
  8. Bonesinium

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    Hunting any animal causes me emotional strife, which is why I don't hunt. On the other hand, if you are a hunter, and like to hunt, and do so within the parameters of the law, I have no problems with it. Those people that truly, and I mean really hunt because they rely on that to feed themselves and their family, or to make a living, then I don't only agree with it, but would do the same! It wouldn't change the fact that I might feel saddened every time and animal gets killed.

    I just don't like killing things that haven't done anything wrong to me. I kill spiders and other bugs all the time. Why? Because I hate those things around me! I absolutely hate spiders. Do I like that I killed them, not at all. And that goes for everything. Maybe I'm more empathetic then most. So I'll pass, and let other people do the killing for me, because I'll be damned if I can't enjoy a delicious steak any delicious meat just because I don't want to kill the poor creature...
     
  9. buck460XVR

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    I doubt if there's an animal anywhere that does not cause strife to someone when it's hunted. 'ell, some folks even object to steppin' on sidewalk ants.:rolleyes:

    The slaughter of animals to extinction causes me great emotional strife even tho I love to hunt. To see wanton waste and disrespect to an animal after the kill also causes me pain. To see folks kill in a manner than does not result in a quick death makes me sick.....I've had to dispense of far too many gut shot deer I've come across late in the season. I love to hunt, but I believe we must promote a positive image as hunters and show respect to our quarry and respect for those who do not share the same opinion. The time of parading dead animals on the roof of your car and hangin' em in the front yard on the meat pole is over.
     
  10. Cob

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    I think this depends on location... In many rural areas, hunting is a part of the local culture, & it's being passed on to the next generation as a respected past-time... My local taxidermist is staying busier than ever, & our local newspaper routinely posts pictures of kids holding deer, fish, etc... throughout it's pages. Once you get into the urban population, this changes, and kids are just as happy to hunt digital game on the flatscreen, with the Wii remote gun/ controller.
     
  11. pikid89

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    I worked at Bass Pro Shops over the christmas holiday in the Santa's Wonderland area.
    One of the things I had to sell was a wii hunting game and gun. While helping kids with the display model, it saddened me when i though about how most of these kids playing the hunting game would never actually have the opportunity to do that in for real
     
  12. caribou

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    Isee you on the vid games........

    I raised my older kids on the tundra, with no TV or vid games.....Guns, dogs, snowmachines , boats, harpoons, spears, bows and arrows, such like that. My little ones are kept active withus,though we dont homeschool anymore, they have to Work with us, and still learn with sweat and a good story at the end of the day with new found skills......
    If theres a basketball game, they play it with a ball onna court, not onna TV.....

    The village kids that skipped school beyond elementry 'round here are oflike mind and skills as my sons and I who support our familys with Hunting /Fishing/Gathering.
    Insted of learning Apples and Oranges, dogs and Cats, they sought an education that is applicable to where we live in the jobless void of the Arctic, to be Hunter, Gather'rs and Fisherman. Harder work than ever found in a school desk.

    Their same age 'classmates" are a befuddled mess of vid age kids without a freeking clue nor means to support themselfs.......

    You should see and hear my boys when some other young mans says with authority"I got that rifle on my playstation" Hahahahaha ,my boys will say "How many Caribou you get with it?" ~~LOL!!~~
     
  13. Cob

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    I'm going to add (to post above), I don't normally make a sport of killing dogs for the fun of it... Only ones that are problematic. An older lady who is a friend of mine raised goats for extra income... One day 2 large dogs (with collars) got into her fence and started killing her goats. They killed 28 of them, and then went home. She confronted the owners, who did not put the dogs up... the next day they killed 16 more. She lost 44 goats in 2 days because of "bad" Dogs.

    Another neighbor lost 2 calves to unknown "wild dogs". Then Myself and a third neighbor lost animals to these dam dogs that were running in a pack and killing whatever they could find. The dogs were enough to cause emotional stress, as well as financial loss & destruction. After several of the above mentioned episodes, Dog hunting became a common occurence. Some Coyotes were hunted in process, but the Dogs were a bigger problem.
     
  14. caribou

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    Unlike Wolves, Ferral dog packs do not fear man.

    No Wolf attack storys in Eskimo lore, but the Ferral pack was the "Ultimate Disaster"

    Any unrightfull, unnessesarry Death is unnerving.
     
  15. sonick808

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    all of them. I can't hunt. Can't watch hunting videos. I don't kill pests, I relocate them outside. No idea why I feel like that. I am all for hunting to eat, and I'm sure I could if I had to.
     
  16. Art Eatman

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    JustACowgirl, have you ever traveled through the Navajo country in western New Mexico and eastern Arizona? Noticed the general lack of fertility in that desert area?

    There are over 60,000 feral horses on Navajo land. Your solution, please.

    In general, through the west, this excess of horses, over and above the carrying capacity of the range, means a notable reduction in white sage in Nevada, prairie grasses in Wyoming and high-desert forage in Arizona. This reduces the availability of food for deer, elk, antelope and sage grouse in Washington state. The over-use of streams degrades salmon waters and reduces the number of plants sacred to the AmerInd.

    Your solution?

    I note that one contract for live capture of feral burros called for payment of $1,500 each. How's your billfold, Cowgirl? The federal government is not only broke, it's $14 trillion in the hole.

    To add to the horse problem, the economy has people trailering their horses a long way from home and abandoning them. The numbers are not insignificant.
     
  17. H&Hhunter

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    I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of you who replied. It's been eye opening reading your responses.
     
  18. Art Eatman

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    And, it's wandering and that means it won't remain open much longer. :)
     
  19. H&Hhunter

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    Art,

    WANDERING!! How can you say that? I'm sure that we are all interested in the geopolitical effects of a warmer planet and the coming of end times according to at least one surefire source, a doomsday preacher, that will occur this Saturday. Have you prepared for the rapture?

    Also what caliber do you suggest for brown bear defense? I think the .223 is a fine choice for most any big game hunting use and of course buckshot is a fine choice for zombie SHTF scenarios. I am offended that people would consider killing zombies as they USED to be somebodies loved one. What bunch of soulless slobs you zombie killers really are!!

    I can't stand to see zombies killed on TV it makes me sad..

    He Art do you like corn on the cob or canned corn better. I like to put canned corn on top of my corn on the cob that way you get the double corn taste with out having to try and eat two corns on the cob at the same time. Of course tequila goes better with canned corn so go figure.

    Wandering? REALLY!:evil:
     
  20. ZeroJunk

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    It's OK to kill a zombie if you are going to eat it. There, back on topic.
     
  21. buck460XVR

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    Sounds like a good place to reintroduce wolves..........
     
  22. H&Hhunter

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    Zombie is very high in cholesterol. Some however have impressive racks and make for handsome trophies. So I think it's OK to leave the carcass to rot and hunt them purely for the trophy.
     
  23. JustACowgirl

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    Just sayin'

    Art,
    First off, this thread was asking about emotional responses. You came back on me awfully hard for posting my opinion. And I admitted it was irrational.

    Secondly, I have traveled quite a bit through NM and Arizona in particular. You'd be hard pressed to find many places in the Southwest that aren't barren, comparatively speaking. We are the desert, after all :rolleyes:
    If there was less government regulation, maybe horses wouldn't be a problem. If the feral horses cause a problem for people, then those people ought to have every right to deal with them, just as we deal with coyotes. I'm just sayin' I don't like that it is a problem that has to be dealt with in the blow 'em up kind of way. Not pushing for legislation to prohibit it. They are just animals.

    Just animals that I happen to have a particular soft spot for. :)

    Oh, and what's with the zombie thing? :eek: :scrutiny:
     
  24. H&Hhunter

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    Cowgirl,

    You can't blame Art for the Zombie thing. Even if he is to be blamed for most other things.

    I'm just saying that a Croone and Brocket Zombie makes for a fine trophy. They don't get that big from being stupid.
     
  25. JustACowgirl

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    No, no, I was blaming Art for the zombie thing. It just seems to be a recurring theme, and I wonder if I'm missing something? What have zombies got to do with anything? :what:

    Maybe I don't know what a zombie is???
     
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