Another Wal-Mart story.....

[jimpeel]

Wild

Although you will not see this, I do want the rest of the assemblage to know that I agree wholeheartedly with you.

A person does not become less of a citizen of this nation because of their mode of dress, their lack of musical taste, or their fashion trend. The "firearm rights for me but not for thee" attitude sucks out loud.

I am sure that many who post here dress or comport themselves in a manner that offends others also. Camos, anyone? Must be a Redneck, gun nut, Bambi killer -- or just a guy who thinks camos are kinda cool. Tatoos and really short hair? Must be a Neo-Nazi skinhead -- or just a guy who likes body art and chooses to keep his hair short because it is totally unmanageable. Dockers and a polo shirt? Must be Gay -- or just a guy who likes comfortable cotton clothing.

Either we are for RKBA for everyone as a personal, individual right or we are not for any of the other rights enumerated in the BoR either. The Second Amendment is the linchpin that keeps the other rights in place; and it keeps them in place for everyone -- even "thuglings".

 

[MacViolinist]

slightly different but at Wal-Mart

Six years ago, I was in Wally World at about 2 in the morning. I was sent on a mission to buy ice cream by my GFATT (Girl Friend At The Time). No, she wasn't pregnant. Anyway, I get the stuff, check-out and was out the door before I realised that I was at the exit farthest from my car. It was a bit cold (in Waco 40 counts as cold) so I pondered walking through the store to the other exit for a second. Then I heard gunshots coming from the other exit. I want to say 3, but I wasn't expecting them so I don't know if I was counting right. Anyway, I ran to the end of the parking lot away from the store and circled around and then came back to my car before beating a hasty retreat. I was, of course, only 18, unable to carry, etc. I saw on the news the next day that it was a couple of young white hoodlums trying to shoplift some movies and shot the Wal-Mart employee that went up to ask them to open their bags. Situational Awareness is great but, man, I am glad I forgot where I parked my car that night.

I guess it must seem weird to watch someone buy ammo that you think will end up used in a crime, but, let's face it, they will find a way to get it laws or no laws. I say let criminals buy guns and ammo to their heart's contect, but let me buy as well.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

c_yeager says:

It sounds to me like a lot people here are really in favor of some good ole "common sense gun control".

Yep, I think that sums it up pretty well.

 

[harpethriver]

Seems like some of us know our "rights" but don't know the difference between right and wrong. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. A narrow, fanatical approach to anything, whether it be our 2nd Amnd. rights, a political party or even a particular philosophy is like having blinders on. Apparently the ability to reason is not being utilized out of fear of "going down that slippery slope". Use some common sense people, that's why we have the ability to think and reason. Those who believe anybody and everybody should be able to procure weapons and ammo are just as dangerous as those who think none of us should be able to.

 

[MagKnightX]

WildAlaska wrote:

So...take out the underage, does being dressed like a mini gangster and having a bad attitude disqualify someone from buying ammo?

But of course not. If he is not underage, he should be able to purchase the ammunition. It may be worrisome to a few people, like IGB, to see somebody who at least imitates the styles of criminals, but it is his right.

WildAlaska wrote:

Dislike is not ths point...if this fellow had walked into Walmart with all the symbols of the loonieright and had been refused, a segment of this Board would be up in arms....

First off, please do call fascists the "loony right." They are loony, but many aspects of fascism are socialist, and many others are pure leftist. Secondly, I don't think that anybody would have supported an underage Hitlerjugend purchasing ammunition, either. Nor, really, an underage person buying ammunition.

WildAlaska wrote:

Those "almost anybody"s are the ones who my post is particularly directed to...

Those "almost anybody's" are typically the ones that make pro-gun people look bad.

 

[itgoesboom]

There seems to be confusion here.

First off, WildAlaska, Yes the clerk did ask me for ID. I am in my mid twenties, was dressed in nice jean, a button down shirt with a fleece vest on, so I didn't look like a thugling, but I was still ID'ed.

Second,

Nowhere in my post did I say that I didn't mind my own business. While the kid in question was looking at the ammo and preparing to purchase it, although I didn't like it, there was nothing I could or would do about it. If he was legal to purchase it, than this whole topic probably wouldn't have come up.

After the kid left is when the clerk mentioned to me his unease over the situation, and that he was glad that he had a way to deny the sale based on the kids age.

Hope his clears this up a little more.

I.G.B.

 

[jimpeel]

Age should not be a factor when it comes to rights or the person attempting to exercise those rights. There is no age limit on speech, religion, etc. Why are many, here, so adamently in favor of limiting people's rights based on age when those limitations did not exist until the late sixties and the inception of GCA-68?

Why was it that people were responsible enough to exercise their rights at any age prior to that but somehow became so irresponsible around that time? The answer?

That is when the anti-firearms agendists began to beat the drum furiously to convince adults that kids are irresponsible; and their rights should be limited in any manner the government decides and they should go along with it for the common good.

 

[spacemanspiff]

how many times must we kick this bovine into the mud? 50 yrs ago you had youths traipsing the backcountry plinking, hunting varmints, and doing other normal activities. they werent using their lever actions or shotguns to stick up convenience stores or shoot a playmate because they wanted their shoes.

many of the kids of THR posters might be entirely responsible and capable of doing the right thing. but there are millions of irresponsible idiots out there that dont take care of their kids and have screwed things up for the rest of us.

besides, my tattoos, shaved head, khakis and polo shirt just told your judging eyes that i'm a homosexual neonazi, right? now i've got to go reorganize my desk, it is SUCH a horrendous mess i tell you!

 

[johnnymenudo]

I was in a walmart yesterday purchasing some ammo, and some guy was trying to buy 9mm rounds. He was dressed in camo and wearing a nascar t-shirt and had a mullet haircut. Looked like a redneck to me - kinda like one of those dirtbags you see on "COPS". Maybe even one of those militia weirdos?? I bet he was up to no good - probably going to go back to the trailer park, get drunk, and shoot up the neighborhood.

Wait - I am sorry - I had no idea he was someone from the high road. One of us. One of the good guys. Sorry my mistake - but the way he looked, how could you blame me??

JM

 

[spacemanspiff]

congratulations, you just met Ronnie Dobbs, johnny! hes a celebrity of sorts....


heres hoping someone will get that obscure reference....

 

[jimpeel]

I was in a walmart yesterday purchasing some ammo, and some guy was trying to buy 9mm rounds. He was dressed in camo and wearing a nascar t-shirt and had a mullet haircut. Looked like a redneck to me - kinda like one of those dirtbags you see on "COPS". Maybe even one of those militia weirdos?? I bet he was up to no good - probably going to go back to the trailer park, get drunk, and shoot up the neighborhood.

Then I realized I was looking at my reflection in the mirror behind the counter.

 

[Sportcat]

Jim beat me to it.

 

[johnnymenudo]

Jim. That was very clever. Did you think of that on your own? I have to say though, that the looking in the mirror angle is much better than the I am rubber you are glue approach you could have taken. Bravo!

JM

 

[Variable]

itgoesboom,


Which walmart is this?

Ohh, and how do you like the XD?

 

[BluesBear]

jimpeel said,
Why are many, here, so adamently in favor of limiting people's rights based on age when those limitations did not exist until the late sixties and the inception of GCA-68?

Not true. At the time the GCA68 was enacted every state except Arkansas already had state mandated age limits for the purchase and possession of firearms. The GCA68 just created uniform requirements at a federal level that superceeded most state laws.



etided fro speeling

 

[jimpeel]

johnnymenudo

Menudo, breakfast of champions and my favorite -- hold the lemon.

Welcome to THR.

That was very clever.

Thank you.

Did you think of that on your own?

Yep. You'll find that there are many of us, here at THR, who have good humor and are quick with the snappy retort. We can't be serious all of the time. If you notice, Sportcat was hot on my tail.

I have to say though, that the looking in the mirror angle is much better than the I am rubber you are glue approach you could have taken.

No offense intended. Hopefully, none taken.

 

[jimpeel]

Sportcat

CLICK (Sound File)

 

[JPM70535]

Well, Ive been reading all the different responses to whar seems to me to be a cut and dried situation. A "thugling" (black or White ,or Green, it doesn't matter) goes into Wally World and attempts to purchase ammo for which he is not of legal age to obtain. Common sense dictates that a 25 acp is not a sporting, or hunting cartridge. It is used in a defensive (or offensive) weapon primarily against Homo-Sapiens. I think any of us would have reacted the same way. We all know what a thugling is and I venture to guess that they make most of us heighten our alert status even when they are not trying to buy ammo.

While I support every ones RKBA, I guess the cop in me just knows that the odds of a thugling buying ammo for legal and peaceful use are not good.

Call me a hypocrite, or a racist or whatever you like, I still think there are some people in this world who shouldn't be allowed to play with guns.
(They might put their eye out)

 

[itgoesboom]

Variable,

This was at the Clackamas Wal-Mart, over by the 205. I rarely go over there, in fact its the first time I have been at Wally World since I started to carry a little over a year ago.

As for the XD, I posted a range report over in the Autoloaders section. So far it seems pretty nice, although I will have to take it out a few more times before I decide to start carrying it.

Johny Menudo,

Pretty funny, except that I really don't match that description either, and we don't get too many of them Nascar fans out here on the West Coast. Never really got the whole driving round in circles thing .

Fact is, all of us here are intrested in self-defense, and most of us spend time observing people, noticing there behaviors, figuring out who is a threat to us. My gut told me this kid was a potential threat. And from the reaction from everyone else in the section, I could tell they felt the same way. Funny that no-one wanted to be in line behind him (although I didn't mind, I just didn't want them to run out of value packs), but soon as he left, everyone in the area got in line.

I honestly hope that he hasn't chosen to live a life of crime or be in a gang. I hope he does well. I also hope that Hillary doesn't ever get elected President.

I.G.B.

 

[bfason]

Call me a hypocrite, or a racist or whatever you like, I still think there are some people in this world who shouldn't be allowed to play with guns.

Sadly, I must agree. Disallowing known felons and wife-beaters from purchasing firearms and ammo does not, IMHO, infringe. Maybe it's because I'm a professional investigator with 14 years of experience, but I agree with JPM70535. Some people in our society should be kept away from guns.

I am not even altogether convinced that shall-issue CCW laws infringe.

The gun-banners want to ban specific types of weapons, e.g., semi-auto rifle with a bayonet on the end. On the other hand, we counter by saying that it's not the weapon, it's the person holding the weapon. OK, so let's look at the person holding the weapon.

Do you think that a convicted violent felon should be allowed to walk into a gunstore and buy an MP5-SD cash-and-carry? Should *any* attempt be made to prevent such a transaction, even if it meant that the rest of us had to show ID and pass a quick background check proving that we were law-abiding citizens, i.e., members in good standing of the unorganized militia?

There are numerous exceptions to the First Amendment that all reasonable people agree upon. For example, the First Amendment does not protect slander, libel, fraud, the publication of the names of secret agents, the publication of troop movements, obscenity (however vaguely that is defined), child pornography, incitement to riot, falsely shouting "fire"in a crowded theatre, invasion of privacy, etc. All these exceptions can peacefully coexist with the First Amendment, and the US still has perhaps the most robust overall freedom of expression.

Likewise, I dont see how the security of a free state is served by allowing anyone to walk into Wally World, plop down a fist full of cash, and walk out with a dozen surface-to-air missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.

We all draw a line somewhere.

 

[Wildalaska]

We all draw a line somewhere.

Sadly, the loudest voices on this Board are the ones who dont.

Im surpirsed the flames havent started burning you yet...

My god, do you actually think that the Instant Check is OK?

WildifsolemmebuyyouabeerAlaska

 

[rayjay]

Not only would I have NOT sold the ammo to him I would have

1) called the cops on him
2) called his mother and told her what her son was trying to do
3) told him to pull his pants up, for crying out loud!
4) called him names until he started to cry
5) pointed and laughed in his face then start singing "Hit the road Jack"
6) said to him "My what little bullets you have there"
7) said to him ".25 caliber? .380 recoil to rough on ya?"
8) Mention to him that only little girls shoot .25 auto's
9) Informed that my little sister shoots a Glock 40 cal

Seriously though, if the young man was under age then decline the sale but I will say this, There's a reason why Lady Justice is blind folded.

 

[enfield]

Lady Justice may be blindfolded, but the store isn't a courtroom.

I expect the clerk to be a judge, though, of the kid's character and maturity, and the circumstances. The kid has no right to purchase ammo, and the clerk has no obligation to sell to him.

 

[spacemanspiff]

i'm confused.... which side of the fence am i supposed to be on?

what side are you all on?


hypothetical situation (personalized for alaska setting):

banger-type rolls up in front of your gunshop in a ricer that seats four. but this banger is filipino and thus 9 can seat comfortably in the ricer. all 9 hop out and enter the store. you cant tell from looking at them if they are old enough to drive, much less own a gun.
the bangers start squaking about the glocks and how bling-bling they are. finally they ask the clerk for bullets for the handgun they already own.

what do you do?

 

[MagKnightX]

Ask for I.D., of course. If they're not 18, don't sell it to them. If they're not 21, and they want to use it in a pistol, don't sell it to them. Otherwise, 'tain't my business. Sell it to 'em.