Another Wal-Mart story.....

[itgoesboom]

Well, I ended up picking up a new SA XD9 subcompact the day after Christmas, so I decided to run over to Wal-mart and pick up a couple Wally World White Box bulk packs, so that I could get some shooting done over the weekend with my new pistol.

So there I am in Wal-mart, thinking about what my smart-*** answer would be when they asked if the ammo was for a rifle or a pistol. I get to the sporting goods counter, and in front of me is a young thugling purchasing ammo as well. Now before anyone gets on my case about racially profiling, thats not what this was. If this kid had been white, I would have felt the same unease that I was feeling. It was his speach, the way that he dressed, like a gang member, and the fact that he was going through a couple of different boxes of .25acp, looking at individual rounds. I normally don't profile by the way a person looks, but my instinct was telling me that this kid was trouble.

He finally decided on the box that he wanted (after opening a couple of different boxes, which was odd to me, since they were all FMJ), and went to pay for it. The clerk asked for I.D., and the kid said, "well they didn't ask me last time, how old do I have to be?" (btw, the clerk hadn't said anything about age at this point, just that he needed to see ID), and he wasn't even bothering to reach for his ID. The clerk told him 21, and the kid started to whine, and walk away.

I hate to say it, because I am not a gun-grabber, or against gun rights in any way, but I was very thankfull that he didn't get the ammo.

I was even happier when the clerk mentioned something about the kid saying he was "going hunting with his dad". Who hunts with .25acp?? The clerk told me he also knew this kid was trouble, and was relieved to have a way to not sell him the ammo.

I walked out with 400 rounds of 9mm bulk pack, feeling very conflicted.

Here I am, very pro-2nd amendment, feeling that all-abled body men and women, of all races and nationalities should be able to own and carry firearms, for hunting, protection as well as protection of our rights, but I was very thankfull that this individual wasn't able to purchase ammo.

Very odd feeling, but my instincts were telling me that he was trouble.

I.G.B.

 

[Jack19]

Always listen to your gut.

 

[TonyB]

Awhile back I was in walmart behind-* this little guy in a leather jacket(as opposed to me,the big fat guy in a leather jacket)....he's looking at 380 and 9mm ammo and taking them out(which I do sometimes instead of trying to figure out those initials)anyway....he looks at me and goes..."In my line fo work I need hollowpoints,unfortunatly."........I didn't know how to respond.....my first instinct was to laugh,but this little guy was serious......not sure who he was trying to impress.So I asked the counter-kid for some 38 Winclean..the little guy goes..."Oh you'll need something bigger than that to put a guy down.".......so I go.."all my bad guys are made out of paper today."......he has no response......people are weird...unfortunatly even some gun people....

 

[George Hill]

You think you felt weird because a thug was wanting some .25 ammo?

Try this, the day after it was reported that two police officers were shot and killed through the ballistic vest with an SKS rifle, and now all the gun shops are filled with thuglings snatching up every SKS within 100 miles.

 

[tommytrauma]

I walked out with 400 rounds of 9mm bulk pack, feeling very conflicted

Great line. Kinda Opra meets Charlton Heston.

 

[michiganfan]

If Chuck Heston meets Opray I am putting my money on her gun toting bodygaurds. LOL

 

[rock jock]

unfortunatly even some gun people

Only some?

 

[berettaman]

Stupid is as Stupid does.
Behind some folks in the wally world a while back.A mother and her thug-wanna-be son at the ammo counter.
Overheard:"Now I dont want you getting into any trouble with these"said the mother.
Son's reply:"Yo rent'l unit,it's just for sling'n copper,you can't kill peeps wid double duces!!!
Mother:"oh ok honey!"




500 22rds in the hands of a thug-wanna-be,and obviously no parental supervision.I can't wait for the news updates when this powder keg goes off.
I also wander just how "HOT" the gun is that he's shooting them with is too.

 

[Wedge]

As I tend to tell (preach) my friends, freedom isn't comfortable and it isn't easy. It is not easy to know that everyone has the same opportunities to buy ammo. I would hate to see someone buy ammo and then use it illegally, but at the same time I would hate to see someone from the rough side of town that could only afford a Raven .25ACP (even obtained illegally) denied buying some ammo that he needed to protect himself.

I have felt just as conflicted as you itgoesboom when I buy ammo at my local Wal-Mart. They always ask to see a pistol permit. I always ask if this is regular policy, blah blah but in the end I am usually in a hurry and show them the picture on my permit (not the whole thing with my name and address just the picture on that New York green paper). I always feel a little dirty for caving in and showing them some ID AND at the same time I think to myself "at least some gangbanger can't buy ammo at this wal-mart that is bordering the city" and I feel dirty for thinking that too...

 

[itgoesboom]

Jack,

I always listen to my gut, and I was very happy to have my carry pistol on me at the time.

George,

That story you have is pretty scary as well.

I wasn't concerned that he was purchasing .25acp. I would have been nervous had he been buying any ammo, even if it was .45-70, but if he was purchasing that, than at least his story to the clerk would have made sense. But saying that he was going hunting with the .25 made me even more nervous.

It really was this kids actions as well as his dress and the neighborhood that this Wal-Mart is in. When the clerk asked for ID, the kid immediatly asked "how old do I have to be to purchase this ammo?", even though the clerk never said anything about age. He knew that he was under the age required to purchase the ammo, and was just trying to get away with it. Even if it had been rifle ammo, there is no way the kid could have purchased it, since he was well under 18.

I.G.B.

 

[Horsesense]

He probably palmed enough rounds, while looking in the boxes, to fill his mag.

 

[Sisco]

He probably palmed enough rounds, while looking in the boxes, to fill his mag.

Seems like every year at my clubs annual gunshow we catch at least one banger wanna be trying to swipe ammo from a table.

 

[4v50 Gary]

It's thugs like that who abuse the 2nd Amendment and give the anti-firearm crowd the incidents to cite against us.

 

[Treylis]

I recently walked into Wal-Mart and bought 600 rounds of .45 ACP, 300 rounds of 9mm and a 550-box of .22LR. (The .45 was for me, the 9mm and the .22 for my dad.)

Didn't get asked any rifle/pistol questions, didn't have to get walked out to the door. I love Arizona. If they had asked, I'd have said it was for my SMGs. With that amount, they'd probably have believed me. ;-)

 

[Wildalaska]

So lets see, the guy was a "thugling" (ie he dressed and acted culturally different from "white folk") and accordingly, his purchase of ammo makes us uncomfortable?

I thought we all beleived in the RKBA,..under the world as some imagine it, this "thugling" should be allowed to walk into Wally World and buy an MP5 without even showing ID right...after all its his right to keep and bear arms, and the fact that he acts and dresses different from us shouldnt be a reason to deny him, neh? Since when do we let clerks decide whos trouble or not?

My god, lighten him up , put a few swastika tatoos on him, give him some anti government literature and he would be a hero right?


Some pigs are more equal than others I guess...maybe the Teddy Kennedy's of the world dont have a lock on hypocrisy..

WildcaretodiscussthispointAlaska

 

[Abenaki]

My standard reply to the fine folks at Wally World when asked what the ammo is for........for my shotgun! No matter what the ammo is for, thats my line.

Last summer I was in Wally World and 3 little punks were trying to figure out which brand of 22 lr. would fit in the rifle they had. The problem was that the rifle was a Marlin and the ammo was Winchester, and Fedral and Remington.They couldn't figure it out......so they bought 3 different bricks!!!!

I figured stolen gun+kids looking for trouble!

Abenaki

 

[JohnKSa]

He finally decided on the box that he wanted (after opening a couple of different boxes, which was odd to me, since they were all FMJ)

He probably palmed enough rounds, while looking in the boxes, to fill his mag.

...And now, it's probably not so odd to you, is it?

At least one large gun store in my area won't let you open ammo boxes. They will open them for you and show you the rounds, but you can't do it yourself.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Wildalaska, that was just plain ridiculous.

The poster noted the difference between his RKBA-for-all ideals and his unease with this kid. Acting like you sprung some brilliant trap by "catching" someone in a contradiction is silly.

I know a lot of black people who don't dress, talk or act like "thugs." You could, I suppose, throw out some nonsense about my friends "acting white" but I assume you wouldn't.


All that was silly. . . . . but saying the poster would hero-worship some kind of tattooed neo-Nazi is just plain ridiculous. In fact, it borders on personal attack, especially since he never gave anyone reason to think such a thing might be true. You can do better than this. Please do.

 

[MagKnightX]

WildAlaska, I don't think that it was that he was black. I think it was that he (I think, interpreting from IGB's story) was an underage person attempting to purchase handgun ammunition, dressed like a miniature gangster, and displaying all the signs of a terminally bad attitude. I don't think anybody here would support him if he was a neo-Nazi, and, in fact, I think everybody here carries supreme dislike for neo-Nazis.

Nor do I think that almost (notice the almost) anybody here believes that underage people should be able to walk into Wal-mart and pick up a submachine gun, especially not without a NICS check at the least.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but it seems as though you have made an incredibly sudden departure from your previous opinions... did somebody sneak onto your keyboard?

MagconfusedbutstillwillparodysignatureKnightX

 

[itgoesboom]

I think I am going to remove what I originally wrote, since it really doesn't help this thread, and it just sounded a little angry to me.


Anyways, WildAlaska,

I am sorry that you misinterpreted my post.

I.G.B.

 

[thumbtack]

I doubt that I am the only other person here who lost respect for you tonight.

Yeah

 

[jimpeel]

I tend to butt out of other people's business and ignore those in line ahead of me. Keeps me out of the realm of the conflicted.

 

[c_yeager]

Nor do I think that almost (notice the almost) anybody here believes that underage people should be able to walk into Wal-mart and pick up a submachine gun, especially not without a NICS check at the least.

You would be wrong, at least in my case. Having a "thug" buying up .25's is exactly what the 2nd amendment is all about. We here complain about NICS checks allt he time. And in all truth the counter person might not even have been right. We have a LOT of 18 year old members here who have a real rough time buying ammo even though its perfectly legal in many states. The fact is that you dont have to LIKE the guy or associate with them in any way. But, bad guys getting guns and ammo is part of the equation. It sounds to me like a lot people here are really in favor of some good ole "common sense gun control". Personally i can deal with these guys if it means i get to keep my rights.

 

[twoblink]

Who hunts with .25acp??

Hold on there!! Maybe he has major rat infestations!!

A thug is a thug is a thug; regardless of color. We all know what a teenage thug looks like..

The sad part is, he's gonna get what he needs regardless of the law...

 

[Wildalaska]

Don Gwinn and others..I guess you miss the irony in my post...

Its not the original poster I am necesaarily referring to...its the concept extant on this Board that the RKBA only applies to those who are "right thinking"...

Heres a "thugling"...(the oroginal posters words)...by the way you may know black people who dont act like thugs, but I bet you know those who do (or even shall we call them thugling " wannabes?) who couldnt buy some ammo becasue he didnt have "ID"..

Did the original poster have "ID"? Did the clerk ask him? Is it becasue he wasnt a "thugling"? Look at Treylis, he didnt get asked....

saying the poster would hero-worship some kind of tattooed neo-Nazi is just plain ridiculous. In fact, it borders on personal attack,

Sorry, show me where I was speaking directly to the original poster? If you read the entire post, you will see I use the words "we" and "us"...I can assure you that my remarks were rhetorical and if you read them carefully I think you will agree...

Furthermore, as someone who has been repeatedly the subject of personal attacks in this forum, I can assure you that I try not to play that gamer...

MagKnight

WildAlaska, I don't think that it was that he was black. I think it was that he (I think, interpreting from IGB's story) was an underage person attempting to purchase handgun ammunition, dressed like a miniature gangster, and displaying all the signs of a terminally bad attitude.

So...take out the underage, does being dressed like a mini gangster and having a bad attitude disqualify someone from buying ammo?

I don't think anybody here would support him if he was a neo-Nazi, and, in fact, I think everybody here carries supreme dislike for neo-Nazis.

Dislike is not ths point...if this fellow had walked into Walmart with all the symbols of the loonieright and had been refused, a segment of this Board would be up in arms....

Nor do I think that almost (notice the almost) anybody here believes that underage people should be able to walk into Wal-mart and pick up a submachine gun, especially not without a NICS check at the least.

Those "almost anybody"s are the ones who my post is particularly directed to...


WildconsitencyAlaska