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If it is two people doing it, it is conspiracy to commit the felony, itself a federal felony. I am not sure about a single person....
Anti-gun Experiences with Doubletree Hotel?
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FourTeeFive
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The other entrances to the Hampton Inn Addison do not have the sign. I'm not sure if those doors are open during the day; at night you need your room key to open them. So perhaps they aren't considered public entrances.
Since this thread started I have stayed at 4 Hilton properties in FL and GA. None of them have any signage relating to firearms. I will be in another hotel tonight and will look around. I am flying today so will not have any firearms with me.
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I am a little confused about this thread.
The OP claims to be a LEO. He states he was dispatched to a hotel for a disturbance. His supervisor shows up. The hotel staff said one of the individuals who were arguing had a "loaded firearm" in their room. Perhaps the pistol in question had a magazine inserted. IMO, that would make it loaded.
The OP further states there were "small children in the room", and evidence of "medical marijuana".
Here is where I have a problem.
1. Disturbance with "man with a gun, and small children". Instead of calling for more backup, the OP and his supervisor debate with the staff the legality of the hotels no firearm rules?
2. Having small children in a confined space with a loaded firearm? That is a recipe for something just terrible to happen.
3. The individual in question was using marijuana. I thought it is against federal law to possess a firearm and use marijuana. Even with a note from a doctor, or your mother.
Just saying,,,,,,
I am a little confused about this thread.
The OP claims to be a LEO. He states he was dispatched to a hotel for a disturbance. His supervisor shows up. The hotel staff said one of the individuals who were arguing had a "loaded firearm" in their room. Perhaps the pistol in question had a magazine inserted. IMO, that would make it loaded.
The OP further states there were "small children in the room", and evidence of "medical marijuana".
Here is where I have a problem.
1. Disturbance with "man with a gun, and small children". Instead of calling for more backup, the OP and his supervisor debate with the staff the legality of the hotels no firearm rules?
2. Having small children in a confined space with a loaded firearm? That is a recipe for something just terrible to happen.
3. The individual in question was using marijuana. I thought it is against federal law to possess a firearm and use marijuana. Even with a note from a doctor, or your mother.
Just saying,,,,,,
I can't see giving my gun, to a strange person not known by me. That would be more of a problem IMO, if someone got hold of the gun who had access to the safe, than letting the guest, "who has a license" "I assume", retain custody of the weapon. I don't pretend to know that state law, but giving your gun to someone you don't even know can legally have a gun, seems kind of rekless. If they can have your gun, then you can have your gun, either that or no one gets to be custodian or have access to it. This of course would cause them to ask the guest to leave, which would end up in a nice lawsuit, which is probablly what they are trying to avoid. It sounds like a lot of nonsense.
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Are we reading the same OP?
Wow. I am trying to come up with a response to that but keep deleting what I post. Are you an IEO(Internet Enforcement Officer). If you are then I thank you for your service to our internet. :banghead:
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This is what I read.
Post 1 by the OP. He is a LEO, and has been dispatched to the DT hotel for a disturbance with at least one of the guests. The OP arrives on scene and is informed by DT staff that the occupants in one of the rooms are having a loud dispute. The OP is joined on scene by his supervisor and they are told by the DT staff that there is a loaded pistol in the room.
Post 34 by the OP. The OP and his supervisor are informed this is a DOMESTIC dispute. There is a firearm and small children present. It is my understanding that in this situation typically more then two officers are dispached. Perhaps where the OP works, two officers are used. The OP states the party having the dispute had left the property. I can only assume, that the OP and his supervisor went to the room in question and determined the party in question was gone
The staff of the DT informed the OP that the party in question that the person(s) using the room were using medical marijuana. Hope this will clear up your questions regarding my comments.
The OP in both postings was puzzled about what the DT staff said about firearms and hence the debate about hotels and firearms.
Personally, if I have a handgun on my person, or in the suitcase, it always goes into the nightstand drawer along with my car keys so I will remember to take it with upon my departure from the hotel. I could give a rats behind about what the hotels policy is. When I am in MY hotel room, it is my home away from home. Home being the key word.
Not a IEO here. I just read both of the OP's postings and making comments. Not trying to start an argument here.
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Post 1 by the OP. He is a LEO, and has been dispatched to the DT hotel for a disturbance with at least one of the guests. The OP arrives on scene and is informed by DT staff that the occupants in one of the rooms are having a loud dispute. The OP is joined on scene by his supervisor and they are told by the DT staff that there is a loaded pistol in the room.
Post 34 by the OP. The OP and his supervisor are informed this is a DOMESTIC dispute. There is a firearm and small children present. It is my understanding that in this situation typically more then two officers are dispached. Perhaps where the OP works, two officers are used. The OP states the party having the dispute had left the property. I can only assume, that the OP and his supervisor went to the room in question and determined the party in question was gone
The staff of the DT informed the OP that the party in question that the person(s) using the room were using medical marijuana. Hope this will clear up your questions regarding my comments.
The OP in both postings was puzzled about what the DT staff said about firearms and hence the debate about hotels and firearms.
Personally, if I have a handgun on my person, or in the suitcase, it always goes into the nightstand drawer along with my car keys so I will remember to take it with upon my departure from the hotel. I could give a rats behind about what the hotels policy is. When I am in MY hotel room, it is my home away from home. Home being the key word.
Not a IEO here. I just read both of the OP's postings and making comments. Not trying to start an argument here.
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I stay in many Hilton properties per year and only saw it at the Addison location.
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1) I am LE. If you don't believe me, I don't care.
2) We go by the philosophy that "all weapons will be treated as if they are always loaded", for the sake of safe firearms handling. Regardless, a magazine inserted in a gun hardly proves whether a gun is loaded or not, it just demonstrates that a magazine is in the gun. Similarly, a magazine removed from a gun doesn't in any way prove that such a firearm is unloaded. As such, the only way to really tell if a firearm is loaded or unloaded is to handle it yourself.
3) I had more backup there from the outset. My sergeant showed up as a backup to my backup. My intent in this thread wasn't to debate our tactics with you; I already know how to handle such situations. Rather, my intent was to debate one specific aspect of that call that bothered me. I respond to DOMV calls daily, and armed DOMV calls every few days, on average. I didn't mention my other partner in this thread because he wasn't really involved in the discussion with the DT hotel staff (at least not the parts relevant to this post).
4) As I already said in my posts above, the subjects of this call had already departed prior to our arrival. Our "debate" with the hotel staff took a matter of mere seconds to complete, which was less than the time that it took us to walk across the lobby to the elevators with them. But, understanding a complainant's view of a situation can be an important consideration on such calls, both from an officer safety standpoint, and from the perspective of trying to keep YOUR rights protected. Believe it or not, I was once called to a home by social services merely because they were notified that a parent had been keeping a gun in his house, and also had children living there (not illegal -- how many of us here on THR do that?).
5) Medical marijuana is a touchy subject out here. It's against federal law to possess marijuana, period... with or without a note from your doctor, regardless of any other circumstances we might debate. But, the Feds have agreed not to prosecute in cases where states allow for medical marijuana, and Colorado now has medical marijuana on the books. Oh, and once again, the issue of the use of medical marijuana was merely in the form of an allegation from the hotel staff (as I said repeatedly in this thread, the involved people were gone when we got there).
So, the long and short of what I'm trying to say is that the reason I created this thread was because of the hotel staff's statement about the (alleged) blanket policy they have regarding firearms. I shared the background of my call with you merely because I wanted everyone to understand the context of the conversation I had with them. It's possible that the person in this hotel room was a bad guy who shouldn't have a firearm; it's also possible that wasn't the case. But, the alleged "policy" I was attempting to address was my concern that this hotel said that no guests (and in THEIR words that included federal Air Marshals) would be allowed to keep guns in their rooms.
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jrdolall said:
Thanks for posting. Good to know what's being experienced elsewhere. I'm starting to think that this was a case of a security guard attempting to create policy for his hotel, probably without the knowledge of corporate management.
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LEOs get to deal with the "interesting" segments of our society. Thankfully, they are there to do the rather thankless job.
On a lighter note, I did bounce the legal aspects of putting your firearm in the hotel safe off our state's best known firearms attorney. While he didn't expect any actual legal problems from doing so, it is a felony to deliver or receive control of a firearm across state lines, even if it is to place it in the hotel safe. If a member of the hotel staff has access to the safe and is also a prohibited person, that is a separate felony, even if you are in your own state. A suitable reply to a hotel is, "You have a Federal Firearms License then?"
I travel a lot. I never put my firearm in my checked baggage or carry in other states, though I do commonly carry while off the road. I suppose you might say that I have been hassled into submission.
To me, the moral of the story is, your hotel room is your castle as much as your regular home is. Even so, if you are going to carry, keep it out of sight. If it is out of sight, it isn't an issue. And for heaven's sake, if you don't get along with your SO at least keep it civil and quiet in public so as not to make a spectacle of yourself in front of neighbors and the police. Drugs and guns? Really, really stupid.
On a lighter note, I did bounce the legal aspects of putting your firearm in the hotel safe off our state's best known firearms attorney. While he didn't expect any actual legal problems from doing so, it is a felony to deliver or receive control of a firearm across state lines, even if it is to place it in the hotel safe. If a member of the hotel staff has access to the safe and is also a prohibited person, that is a separate felony, even if you are in your own state. A suitable reply to a hotel is, "You have a Federal Firearms License then?"
I travel a lot. I never put my firearm in my checked baggage or carry in other states, though I do commonly carry while off the road. I suppose you might say that I have been hassled into submission.
To me, the moral of the story is, your hotel room is your castle as much as your regular home is. Even so, if you are going to carry, keep it out of sight. If it is out of sight, it isn't an issue. And for heaven's sake, if you don't get along with your SO at least keep it civil and quiet in public so as not to make a spectacle of yourself in front of neighbors and the police. Drugs and guns? Really, really stupid.
That is kind of what I mentioned, it's just common sense. You don't know to whom you just gave access to your gun to.What would happen if it went missing or was taken by a felon, or someone who worked there, I think that it would be a mess for the hotel chain. It could end up being a major lawsuit. It's not like a piece of jewlery, or cash, it's a firearm. There must be liability on the part of the hotel, if someone was shot with that gun, it would be a bigtime mess.
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How do you know that there were rounds in the magazine?
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OK,
Like the OP said, you have to open it up and look inside yourself.
I treat all firearms as if they are loaded, especially semi-auto's.
My bad for assuming the pistol had rounds in it cause their was a magazine attached and holstered.
Like the OP said, you have to open it up and look inside yourself.
I treat all firearms as if they are loaded, especially semi-auto's.
My bad for assuming the pistol had rounds in it cause their was a magazine attached and holstered.
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OK, my fault for reading more into the background story then the point the OP was trying to make. Sorry if I offended the OP.
The point being is someone at the DT hotel is making policy perhaps when they are not authorized to do so.
Regarding smoking pot and firearms, I do remember that form I signed when I buy each firearm from a FFL that I state I am not a user of controlled substances.
I think if a cop visits your home, and spots the grow room next to the gun safe, soon one will have a major legal problems of the federal kind.
The point being is someone at the DT hotel is making policy perhaps when they are not authorized to do so.
Regarding smoking pot and firearms, I do remember that form I signed when I buy each firearm from a FFL that I state I am not a user of controlled substances.
I think if a cop visits your home, and spots the grow room next to the gun safe, soon one will have a major legal problems of the federal kind.
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Obviously but I'm talking about the physical condition of the gun. You know, if rounds are actually in the gun.
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Just to back this up- I work in a jurisdition very close to ColoradoKevin's jurisdiction. I have the ability to scan his jurisdictions channels on the radio in my car, which I sometimes do, since I still hear my own dispatch on my packset.
There are several domestics in his area. They seem to be called out all the time, and backup is always sent. Supervisors are dispatched quite often as well. Medical Marijuana is a touchy subject in the area as well. Many folks believe it gives them a license to be stoned everywhere, even though it must be done in the license holders residence only.
As a final, I notice that there are always citizens that know more about the law than I do. Or at least they want to tell me that. Sounds like this was happening in ColoradoKevin's case too.
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