Anti-gun Experiences with Doubletree Hotel?

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My gun has been on the nightstand of every motel I have been to. And it will continue that way.

I agree the motel has no right to disarm a tenant. In this case they may? have been able to evict based on the disturbance, but not because of the firearm. Calling the police regarding the gun issue was a classic case of being orfaces on the south end of a north bound mammal.
 
Fremmer, you can't forget the "silly contract arguments" because that's at the root of the matter. By contract law, your hotel room is an extension of your home, and you have the same rights that you would have if you had a real house in that state.

You expect that if the cops are called to a home address they should demand all guns be rounded up and given to them for no reason, too?
 
Thank you coloradokevin for your service.

I served 22 yrs with the Air Force traveling the World as an Aircraft Mechanic. At one of my Bases, fortunatly I was allowed to volunteer as a Firefighter/Paramedic with the small town I lived in as long as it did'nt interfer with my military duties. (mostly weekends and after duty hours)
I noticed that when I was called out to a sene, that 99% of the time everyone wanted me there to fight a fire or treat a patient. That one percent was usually when grandpa did'nt want to go to the Hospital. I also noticed that when L.E. was called out to a domestic sene that 99% of the time, one if not both of the parties did'nt want the police there. I thinck that the civilian view of police has changed over the last 30 years. The term Law Enforcement suggest that someone needs to be forced to comply with the laws.(my perception) I believe that most people want to follow the Laws. Unfortunatly You get called out (a lot) to that small percent that does'nt. I commend you for takeing (THE HIGH ROAD) by trying to make sence of the greyness of the situation you faced. You sir, are a genuine Peace Officer. I infer that when a Officer/Deputy/Trooper acts as a Peace Officer you win back the admiration of the populace.:)
THANK YOU.

P.S I know you care deeply about your job because you posted here, looking for consense. God Bless You
 
Lol fine. The guest materially breached the contract by disturbing the peace of other guests in a domestic dispute involving a firearm. The hotel therefore terminated the contract. And dude learned that you gotta watch the screaming in a nice hotel, especially if you're leaving your gun sitting around when security gets involved.

And this isn't an extension of your home. Its a hilton. They can kick you out for causing problems, especially for disturbing other guests.
 
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+1 to what Fremmer said.

This wasn't a gun issue, it was a domestic disturbance issue....with a gun found at the scene.
Had they not been fighting and disturbing the other rooms, there would have been no issue, no complaint, no police, and no post to argue about here.

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pockets said:
+1 to what Fremmer said.

This wasn't a gun issue, it was a domestic disturbance issue....with a gun found at the scene.
Had they not been fighting and disturbing the other rooms, there would have been no issue, no complaint, no police, and no post to argue about here.

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I agree with this as far as it not actually being a gun issue (at least not initially), but i do not agree with it being the hotel's "right" or "duty" to take a gun away from someone just because they are upset. That's asinine. The hotel is in no way a law enforcement entity and has no right to disarm someone else just because they fear some potential issue.

I theyre so worried about the guest shooting someone in a crime of passion then they shouldve asked them to leave under the guise of the noise disturbance, which supposedly was the real issue and reason enough to evict them. But instead they made up a rule on te spot and made the situation worse.
 
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the law

I believe that the only time that I must surrender my gun is to a LEO if he requests it. That would not be a good time to argue aither.
 
Thanks for all of the thought provoking replies, everyone. Admittedly, the concern to me wasn't so much about this particular guest, as much as it was for every other guest at the hotel who wished to carry a gun there, then or in the future.

As I said at the start of this thread, the guest in question was already gone when I got there, so I never really got the chance to personally see what he was all about. But, the guy obviously drew a lot of unwanted attention by having a loud argument with his spouse that attracted security to his room after multiple complaints from other guests. His room also had small children in it at that time, and there was an allegation by security of marijuana smoke (Colorado now has "medical marijuana", and this guy apparently told security that he possessed a medical marijuana card).

So, I can certainly understand why an upscale hotel like the Doubletree was less than satisfied with this guest, and I can appreciate why they might want to have him booted from the room (it clearly isn't good business to have all of your other guests disturbed by one guy who wants to act like a fool. Add to that the possible drug use, and the gun, and I don't think they were being entirely unreasonable by being concerned).

But, the part that bothered me (and led to this thread) was the fact that the hotel claimed that they have a blanket no firearms policy in their hotels, and that ALL guests MUST check their firearms in the safe at the front desk. Fortunately it is starting to sound like this so-called "policy" is a unique creation of this particular security guy, at this particular hotel. Requiring your guests (or a particular guest) to check their firearm doesn't seem reasonable, but it does seem reasonable to ask a guest to leave if they are creating a disturbance or conducting illegal activity (unknown with the drugs) in your hotel room.
 
Thank you 'coloradokevin' for how you approached this situation.

There are behaviors that are harmful to society. But, mere possession of a metal object should not be looked on as actual harm. Glad you believe that as well.

The security people at that location were out of line. I have a Hilton membership, among others and have never seen a 'no guns' sign at any hotel. I carry concealed and keep the 'Do not disturb' sign up the whole time I'm in a hotel to keep the maids out. So, of course, I've never had a problem.
 
chevyman097 said:
I never understood the logic of taking a firearm from someone(who likely has handled it many times and knows it well), and putting it into some one elses hands/control that might not know to handle it.

But I would deffinately contact their higher ups. It sounds like maybe some one got their feelings hurt because they had no authority over the situation.
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Tell me to leave the Hotel (and I'm NOT paying for the room), but I will not give a gun to anyone that I do not know is capable of handling it safely.
 
Ok so it was a domestic dispute. Which makes the firearm problem even more of a problem. We've got a domestic dispute with screaming, controlled substances, and a firearm. Of course hilton told the guy to check his gun or leave. And that was actually gracious on their part.

You guys do realize that if dude shoots his wife, himself, and/or another guest, hilton is going to be set upon by a deluge of lawsuits, right? Not to mention the loss of future business from guests who don't care for screaming domestic disputes ending with gunshots. This isn't about hilton being anti gun or a made up policy (the security guard should have just told the op that hilton doesn't want this screaming guy with a gun on their property instead of some bs story about a policy ). This is about a guy who made a fuss in the wrong place at the wrong time, and hilton doesn't have to tolerate that foolishness.
 
The Hampton Inn in Addison Texas has a "no concealed weapons" sign on their front door. There is a Hilton Garden Inn right down the street. I'll have to see if they have one as well.

Seems particularly strange in a place like Texas. I stay at a lot of Hilton properties and this is the first time I've seen the sign.
 
Wow, I can't believe how flagrantly irresponsible some of you guys are with your firearms.

Anyhow, I think the couple in the original post did the right thing by leaving after it became it apparent they were not welcome.

Fremmer said:
Ok so it was a domestic dispute. Which makes the firearm problem even more of a problem. We've got a domestic dispute with screaming, controlled substances [lolwut], and a firearm. Of course hilton told the guy to check his gun or leave. And that was actually gracious on their part.
You guys do realize that if dude shoots his wife, himself, and/or another guest, hilton is going to be set upon by a deluge of lawsuits, right? Not to mention the loss of future business from guests who don't care for screaming domestic disputes ending with gunshots. This isn't about hilton being anti gun or a made up policy (the security guard should have just told the op that hilton doesn't want this screaming guy with a gun on their property instead of some bs story about a policy ). This is about a guy who made a fuss in the wrong place at the wrong time, and hilton doesn't have to tolerate that foolishness.
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Fremmer said:
Ok so it was a domestic dispute. * Which makes the firearm problem even more of a problem.*
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Not necessarily.

Fremmer said:
We've got a domestic dispute with screaming, *controlled substances, and a firearm.
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Was he waving the gun around? I don't see how it was involved.

Fremmer said:
And that was actually gracious on their part. *
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What else were they going to do about it?

Fremmer said:
You guys do realize that if dude shoots his wife, *himself, and/or another guest, hilton is going to be set upon by a deluge of lawsuits, right?
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Of course we realize they'll be sued like nobody's business. It's completely understandable that they want to avoid that and provide a pleasurable experience for their other guests.

Fremmer said:
*Not to mention the loss of future business from guests who don't care for screaming domestic disputes ending with*gunshots.
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Nothing in this story guarantees that as an outcome.

Fremmer said:
This*isn't about hilton being anti gun or a made up policy (the security guard should have just told the op that hilton doesn't want this screaming guy with a gun on their property instead of some bs story about a policy ). This is about a guy who made a fuss in the wrong place at the wrong time, and hilton doesn't have to tolerate that foolishness.
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Yup.

But regardless, they do not have the right to take the gun from him.*


On a side note, just because someone is upset doesnt mean that they have such a huge lack of self control to resort to physical violence and does not indicate that they guy would have used the gun. I've had out and out yelling matches with my ex as mad as I've ever been, yet not once did violence ever cross my mind.
 
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I remember a saying when I was working in the "tourist entertainment" field. The saying went that "if you can't count, cook, or clean you must be security." That holds true here as the security officer is making up the policy as he went along.

I for one will NOT surrender my firearm to a desk clerk/manager or security officer at a hotel without a GOOD reason. If the hotel has a policy I want to see the policy in writing and I want a refund of my stay if I am being evicted. If I don't get a refund then I would call my credit card company and reverse the charges and have an attorney write a letter to the corporate office. The attorney might cost more than the room, but I find a well written letter from an officer of the court will get peoples attention real quick.

The story I am reading is that a "manager" and a security officer were scared of a person with a firearm. I would have asked them if they were scared of my sidearm, and did I need to check it with them? I would also have told them that if the "check your guns" policy is not in writing then it has no force of law. I would also remind them that the room has been rented to the guest, and if they try to evict without proper cause then they will end up in a world of trouble, especially if it is on a "fly by night" policy that is not formally documented. Several franchisees have lost their franchise rights due to this very act, and I bet that Hilton would be quick to not damage its reputation due to a couple of employees at a franchise property.
 
When hotel employees attempt to coerce an interstate traveler to surrender a pistol to the hotel for "safekeeping" or anything else that isn't a "sporting purpose", they are attempting to get the traveler to commit a federal felony. If two employees join together in the endeavor and take steps to do so, they are conspiring to commit a federal felony even without the participation of the traveler.

When I pointed this out to Disney, they changed their policy and have quit trying to disarm guests at their Orlando Hotels.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
 
Matthew Courtney said:
When hotel employees attempt to coerce an interstate traveler to surrender a pistol to the hotel for "safekeeping" or anything else that isn't a "sporting purpose", they are attempting to get the traveler to commit a federal felony. If two employees join together in the endeavor and take steps to do so, they are conspiring to commit a federal felony even without the participation of the traveler.

When I pointed this out to Disney, they changed their policy and have quit trying to disarm guests at their Orlando Hotels.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
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Do you mind providing a link to those?

I would like to read them.
 
a rented hotel room becomes, for the duration of your stay, your domicile, and you get all of the benefits and such that go with this, which should include the same right to possess a firearm as if you were in your own home in that state.
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^this
 
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