Anyone a member of Front Sight or Gun Sight?

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RonnyBaby

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Come on folks...

NO ONE has experience with either organizations??

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Is it that most folks simply go out and buy some guns, get their CCW and then go home and it's all over??
 
maybe you don't get any responses because there are already dozens if not hundreds of posting already?

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Gunsite has plenty of range tools, they just don't advertise it. Gunsite has over a dozen ranges, and only hosts 2-3 classes at a time. And every range has turners, and movers. Don't judge a school purely by it's facilities, I've learned more with a good instructors and a few IPSC targets then I learned at school with all the toys. For a basic class the instructor is what matters most, facilities only start to matter when you get into advanced instruction.

IMO between Gunsite and Frontsight, I would go Gunsite. First off Gunsite has a community around it, there are a number of B&Bs in town that you can stay at, a few restaurants, and they have a catering service.

Second Gunsite sources seem to have a more realistic round count. If you read some of the reviews of classes, they have ridicilously low round counts, 400 rounds over 4 days, unless you spend half the day dry firing, that is way too low. Gunsite will also receive your ammo, and store it for you until you arrive for class. While with Front Sight you either buy their overpriced ammo, or try to arrange to get some at the Walmart in town.

Finally where would you rather learn from, a training mill with only a limited class progression that uses the techniques developed by the API (now Gunsite), or the school that started it all, and has a very good class progression in all weapon systems.
 
Can't speak for Gunsite as I have not been there. I am a member of
FrontSight. I signed up while attending my first class there. I found they do a good job on training. I know I was shooting substantially better after going there. Several of my friends also noticed the improvement in my shooting when I go to the range with them. Everybody has different things they want out of training and I found what I was looking for at FrontSight. You may want something totally different that might be available at another facility. Course certificates for FrontSight can be found on E-bay for about $100. That was how I got into my first class with them.
 
No personal experience but I've read a lot of complaints that Front Sight hits you with a pretty hard sell of their membership packages.

I took Defensive Pistol at Gunsite several years ago and found it to be a very good course.
 
No personal experience but all I've read says that Front Sight hits you with a pretty hard sell of their membership packages.

That has changed. The do a presentation during lunch on one of the four days. That was the only sales pitch during my last class there.
 
Oh, one more you might want to consider, Thunder Ranch. Personally I'd choose Thunder Ranch over the 2 listed here.
Not sure if you've looked at them or not.

http://www.thunderranchinc.com/home/index.html

That has changed. The do a presentation during lunch on one of the four days. That was the only sales pitch during my last class there.

That's good to know, that was the main reason I never considered the place, they had a bad reputation for that stuff.
 
Personally I'm not a fan of Thunder Ranch because of their ammo requirements, ie lead free ammo. I can understand for certain applications like on short range steel, or in a shoot house, but for every class, at every range, it's expensive, and for rifles they have totally different ballistics.

If I was going to suggest a class outside those two, I would first suggest attending either Gunsite, or something like Gray Guns to get the basic skill. Then I would suggest three classes from Tactical Response. Fighting Pistol, Immediate Action Medical, and The Fight.
 
Oregon definitely goes overboard on the GREEN issues! I used to live in Portland/Salem area.

Leaded ammo is too expensive these days, let alone being forced to purchase lead free.

I did some more checking on Front Sight and called them. They were pretty rude to me and emailed Ignatius. When I started asking how they compared to GunSite, he got all defensive.

After calling their ProShop and finding out that they charge $30.00 a box of ammo for .40 cal... I was like that is a rip off and he terminated my email from his list after telling me they are not a rip off.

Also, I found out that their pro shop is run on a Nextel cell phone! Nextel $ucks to begin with and to run a business on it is absolutely ridiculous! I had to call them back 3 times to complete my questions due to dropped calls on their end.

Any way... I did a little checking on Thunder Ranch and found they don't have any courses that even compare to GunSite's 5 day course.

So I guess the pieces of the puzzle are coming together quickly now as I see GunSite to be the most likely to get my hard earned monies.
 
An NRA instructor I once trained under, received his training at Front Sight. He was very satisfied, impressed, fulfilled, etc. with that experience. hth
 
maybe you don't get any responses because there are already dozens if not hundreds of posting already?

Use the "search" feature

Ditto.

After calling their ProShop and finding out that they charge $30.00 a box of ammo for .40 cal... I was like that is a rip off and he terminated my email from his list after telling me they are not a rip off.

Duuuude... Front Sight is in the middle of nowhere... literally. Of course the ammo they have on location will be overpriced. If you can't handle their "destination fee", bring your own. Simple as that.
 
It's kind of hard to bring your own when the airlines limit you only to a few pounds of ammo. Other schools like Gunsite will receive your ammo at no charge, and store it for you until your class.
 
Thanks PPGMD!! You seem to have a handle on the realities of the situation at hand.

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Justin, You've got a VERY valid point there!!

Well, I have now signed up for courses with Tactical Direct and will go to GunSite for thorough training.

Thanks to all who have taken the time to respond to this thread!
I really do appreciate it as I am a new HighRoad forum-ist. (if you will)
 
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I'm a member of Front Sight. I'm satisfied with them. Of course, I'm in the cult of Mormonism, so I don't have any reason to look down my nose at the cult of Scientology.

I would say it is geared to beginners. But they routinely take people that have little or no experience drawing and shooting from concealment and get them to where they can fire a controlled pair into center of mass from 7 yards in under 2 seconds. And if you get a membership package that includes all their courses, or advanced handgun courses, there will be plenty of opportunity to hone your skills.

Justin,

Say what you will about Piazza, but in my opinion he is does more for the RKBA cause in a year than you or I will in a lifetime.
 
I attended two courses at Gunsite and was very impressed with the facility and staff.

I thought it was very worthwhile and can't wait to go back again. Money is the only thing keeping me from going back.
 
I have looked into this some.

Here is what I have concluded. They are both good, but different.

Per your video the Founder, Mr Piazza, learned his craft from Jeff Cooper who founded Gunsite and taught there for many years.

Front Sight is less expensive. Front Sight has been a lot better about getting it's name out there and getting average joe to attend. Front Sight trains a lot more people.

However, Front Sight trains a lot more people who are average joes. This means often the first 2 days are VERY basic, and larger class sizes mean a bit less instructor time per student. As mentioned, with lower ammo counts they spend a lot more classroom time and a lot less trigger time.

Also, Front Sight is a 'Tent City' and has been in trouble with local authorities for building and fire code simply because what they termed as 'temporary' has been that way for years without being made code compliant. It is done as a cost saving measure. Take from that what you will.

Front Sight offers lifetime memberships at various levels that entitle the member to different amounts of free training for different amounts of guests. All levels of membership give said member 10 certificates with a 'face value' of $1000 good for 4 days of training ( 1 person 4 days, 2 people 2 days) so 'in theory' a basic $10,000 membership is 'free' Truth is, these certificates re-sell for about $100-150 only. Front Sight also donates these certificates to charity auctions etc, claiming for tax purposes a donation of $1000.

Front Sight had a level of membership designed around owning a home at a Front Sight community. This never came to fruitition and eventually Front Sight was taken to court, but settled. Front Sight said they did nothing wrong but paid $800,000 for the defendant's lawyer fees and then created a $8 MILLION fund which re-embursed those of different levels of memberships different amounts.

Mr Piazza has been associated with Scientology. While his religion is not terribly relevant, and further he claims he is no longer associated with Scientology, I see a lot of that 'style' of people manipulation in his practices (he tends to threaten to sue any average joe that posts a bad review of his classes or himself, and such 'tricks' as putting up a 'temporary' shelter to avoid having to put in fire extinguishers, smoke detectors, and proper sewer treatments, then leaving them in place for 10 years) However, the vast majority of instructors seem quite seperate from this.

I'd strongly suggest getting your 'feet wet' by purchasing a pair of training certificates for front sight. If you want to go with a friend or spouse GET 2 CERTIFICATES the good training seems to happen at day 3...after most noobs who are sharing a single certificate have gone home. (you can often find yourself in class with a person who never fired a gun before...as frustrating as I imagine that can be, I still must salute the first time gun owners taking the opportunity to economically get a good foundation)

commit to NOT buying any sort of lifetime membership during your stay. Commit to waiting 2 weeks or more AFTER your training and then deciding if you want any of their lifetime memberships.

It is my opinion that the best option is to take the 4 day 'certificate' training at front sight...then go to Gunsite for more extensive training.


I'd also throw in Thunder Ranch for your consideration. It is right up there with Gunsite as being top notch.

Also, there are probably a few local 'firearms academies' in your home state that are equal to Front Sight who, like Front Sight, are taught by a person who went and got extensive training at gunsite and/or Thunder Ranch or SIGARMS Academy etc etc.
 
Akodo, After speaking with staff at Thunder Ranch, I found out they are booked up until September and even September only has a few openings left. The person there said I would do very well at GunSite and that GunSite does car shooting where they don't.

Also, Front Sight extended their 4 day class to 5 days.


Thanks
 
I've never been to either, but I would go to Gunsite in a heartbeat if I didn't have kids in college.
 
Appreciate the info posted here folks. I'm looking for a good school to train in. Was leaning towards Frontsight, but now have to consider Gunsight in more depth. Thunder Rance dfw is out of the picture...they're booked up til 2010!
 
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