Anyone ever hunt with a Tokarev?

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Just wondering if anyone here has ever hunted or knows of anyone who has hunted with a Tokarev in 7.62x25mm or any other caliber like 9x23.
As pistol hunting in Kanada is forbidden that leaves me out of this topic but it still leaves me curious about it.
 
Not an expert, but hey it's the internet...

Seriously, most U.S. States have limits to pistol hunting. They may use different terms, but usually it comes down to only being able to use the larger more powerful cartridges/calibers. I know 7.62x25 is a potent round, but I dont think exceptions have been made.
 
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didn't the gov confiscate semi auto rifles there too? what are the gun laws like? just curious.

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To have a gun you need a reason, self defence for some EXTREMELY stupid reason is not one of them, UNLESS you're an Australian Police Chief.

I have a handgun under target pistol licence which limits me to barrel lengths from 120mm for semi auto to 100mm for a revolver. No caliber over .38 unless you pay money to get accreditation for metallic silhouette or Cowboy Action which you also need a rifle licence to participate in (unfortunately pistol licence doesn't count for rifle). Even if you did have the accreditation you can't have a pistol over .45 cal. All must have a mag cap of 10 rounds.

If you have a collectors licence you can have the guns with shorter barrels and large mag caps, but you're not permitted to shoot them or you'll go to jail.

Semi-auto collectors rifles must be rendered permanently inoperable.

No semi-auto rifles, no pump action shotguns (rifles permitted) unless your jobs requires it. You could get it if you had a lot of land and participate in olympic shooting.

The way you can get rifles is to say you're a hunter or target shooter there are more reasons, but I've forgotten since I can't afford a rifle licence as well.

Security guards can carry guns, but that's only to protect themselves and money which is stupid BS considering they never use them.
 
I had a couple of Chinese Toks in 9x19. Neither was even CLOSE to accurate enough for any sort of hunting and I would not wanna PO a hog with that little POS. Trailing a wounded hog might be exciting, but I don't need that much excitement anymore. Best either of those guns could do was about 4" at 25 yards, not even accurate enough for fun plinking. :rolleyes:

My primary hunting handgun is a Contender. I have a .22 barrel for it, scoped, that I can shoot out a squirrel's eye at 50 yards with. My .30-30 12" compensated "hunter" barrel shoots better groups at 200 yards than those Toks could manage at 25 and is laying down 1000 ft lbs at 200 yards with a 150 Nosler Ballistic Tip. I have no problem hitting and killing game with that. :D I've shot a couple of deer with an accurate iron sighted .357 magnum 6.5" Ruger Blackhawk. That's my minimum for medium game and I limit it to 50 yards. Ammo is a cast gas checked 165 grain Lee Keith style SWC at 1470 fps and near 800 ft lbs.

I would use a Tok to head shoot hogs in my hog trap. I think I could hit with it at 5 feet. :D But, hunt? I don't think so.
 
To have a gun you need a reason, self defence for some EXTREMELY stupid reason is not one of them, UNLESS you're an Australian Police Chief.

I have a handgun under target pistol licence which limits me to barrel lengths from 120mm for semi auto to 100mm for a revolver. No caliber over .38 unless you pay money to get accreditation for metallic silhouette or Cowboy Action which you also need a rifle licence to participate in (unfortunately pistol licence doesn't count for rifle). Even if you did have the accreditation you can't have a pistol over .45 cal. All must have a mag cap of 10 rounds.

If you have a collectors licence you can have the guns with shorter barrels and large mag caps, but you're not permitted to shoot them or you'll go to jail.

Semi-auto collectors rifles must be rendered permanently inoperable.

No semi-auto rifles, no pump action shotguns (rifles permitted) unless your jobs requires it. You could get it if you had a lot of land and participate in olympic shooting.

The way you can get rifles is to say you're a hunter or target shooter there are more reasons, but I've forgotten since I can't afford a rifle licence as well.

Security guards can carry guns, but that's only to protect themselves and money which is stupid BS considering they never use them.
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holy crap, that sux! thanks for the info, and sorry to hear they have such ridiculous laws there, my friend.
 
The Tokarev is a decent handgun but does not possess enough accuracy potential to be considered a prudent hunting pistol.

I have shot a couple racoons and one skunk with a Kel-Tec P32 pocket pistol but the ranges were only around fifteen feet and they were bothering the chickens which is the reason they got shot.
 
Now I'm just going on your word and stating my opinion as I haven't researched the laws down under...

Security guards can carry guns, but that's only to protect themselves and money which is stupid BS considering they never use them.
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So the banks can say "Okay, we need guns to protect our money" yet Joe Schmoe on the street can't have a gun just to protect his family "just in case." I guess money does make the world go 'round? It's not ok for you to possess a firearm for no other reason except self defense but the bank can have firearms to protect their money? Since when is some bank's money more valuable than my child?

I'd have to get one under that target pistol license. I'd sleep better knowing I had some form of firearm to defend my family with, and .38 super will do that just fine.

Back to the OP, I've never heard of such. I personally would probably prefer a larger round, though the Tokarev's round is quite capable of putting down varmints and two legged predators..
 
We can hunt ground hogs and small game with just about any pistol here in Ohio. Years ago, I handloaded for a Ruger Blackhawk in .32-20, and worked up some fine 85gr JHP loads @1420fps. The Tokarev will probably do quite nicely with the Hornady XTP bullet designed for it, and velocities in the 1400-1500 range. The ground hogs just fell over and died when shot with the XTP's I was using.
 
We can hunt ground hogs and small game with just about any pistol here in Ohio. Years ago, I handloaded for a Ruger Blackhawk in .32-20, and worked up some fine 85gr JHP loads @1420fps. The Tokarev will probably do quite nicely with the Hornady XTP bullet designed for it, and velocities in the 1400-1500 range. The ground hogs just fell over and died when shot with the XTP's I was using.
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One problem, though, hitting anything past 20 feet. :rolleyes: A miss isn't going to kill squat. There is a big difference in the intrinsic accuracy of my Blackhawks and those Chinese Tok POSs I had. :D
 
I am hard pressed to think of any edible game either the cartridge or gun would be useful for. Perhaps varmints (up to the size of a raccoon), if you handload an expanding bullet.
 
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A Tokarev with a decent bushing will do apple to grapefruit size groups at 25 yards. They may be rough on the outside, but they are not a lot different than a 1911, and the cartridge is easy to shoot. Taking small game at reasonable ranges should be easy, or shooting a deer in the head in a survival situation equally so. I've owned examples of the Polish, Hungarian, Romanian, Russian, and Chinese. My favorite was an almost new Chinese "military" that made it in with no safety and minimal import marks. Fit was excellent, and it had a nice blue. It shot like the new gun that it was. They were all reliable, except the Polish, which needed a better sear group (the original started to let the hammer slip).
 
I've never had a problem with accuracy with any of the 6 Toks I've owned. One was the most accurate handgun I've ever owned. I outshot guys using $1500 pistols with that little $89 Tok. Really got one guy PO'd to the max. I can shoot 5 gallon buckets at 100 yards all day long.
You must have gotten a really crappy example, guy.
I shot over 55,000 rounds through that $89 pistol with no FTF or FTE whatsover. VERY reliable and accurate pistols.
 
hell of a round, seems as good as almost anything a .223 or even .30 carbine can be used for, just have the disadvantages of a pistol, don't know about hunting, but as backup or walking up on a wounded animal, defiantly in the running next outing.
 
Why does that site even SELL 7.62x25 ammo that's not Tokarev-safe? It makes zero sense to me. That round is hot enough to begin with. Not much point in making it hotter, especially given the limited number of firearms that can shoot it. Granted, the Tokarev is probably strong enough to take any loading of that cartridge as long as you install a better recoil spring. It's practically a Combat Commander, and that's a .45.

I considered taking my Tokarev with me as a sidearm while hunting, but didn't because I couldn't get hollowpoint rounds in time. Granted, a snubby .357 is a lot more compact and lighter weight. My nickname for my Tokarev is The Cannon. With the compensator I put on it, it looks the part. I'd consider it, but I'd probably opt for something a little smaller. Virtually anything a pistol can do, my PSL or Saiga can do better.
 
I don't hunt, but my CZ-52 is my woods gun. I carry it because it shoots well for me, has a potent round, and plenty of penetration. I wouldn't feel under armed at all with it as a back up.
 
Ok awhile back I started a thread about the Tok's ability to defend against bear and boar. All I've ever heard is that the 7.62x25 is made for penetration (and this has been confirmed in a few home tests of my own). However, it is made for penetrating walls, doors, helmets, etc, not muscle, bone, skin.

I'm no expert, but this makes sense to me. It's a hot round with some real power behind it, but isn't it widely accepted that, when faced with dropping a large beast, sectional density is key?

I'm not saying the Tok wouldn't drop a fairly large beast, in fact I'd assume it would. I'm just not so sure it would do the job quickly.
 
Here in SC there are no specific limits on what rounds you can and can't use for handgun hunting. Only ammo restrictions mentioned (without care as to rifle or pistol) is that it must be a single projectile .22" or larger centerfire. Even that restriction in the lower state only applies to public hunting land. On private land rimfires and buckshot are legal if you so choose (I don't really have a problem with the buckshot part - the range is short but I've killed quite a few deer with it).

That said, I don't know of anyone who actually hunts around here with a handgun at all, much less a Tokarev. If I was going to try it out myself I would be looking at a revolver in .357 Mag minimum. .44 Mag would be more likely.
 
There's a fellow somewhere on the net that claims he shot himself in the leg (around the knee) with a CZ52 and claimed he hardly knew he was shot. :rolleyes:

He went on to say the gun was an utter piece of junk so he had it destroyed and the 7.62x25 round has little to no energy and was a joke for a self defense round. :rolleyes: All I could think was, good thing the idiot didn't get shot in the chest or I'm sure he would have a different opinion, if not his last opinion.

I've alway heard the FMJ 7.62x25 round was notorious for tumbling (after a few inches of penetration) and inflicting serious damage. BrassFetcher pretty much confirmed that with their tests. See their tests and writeup on it. Interesting to say the least and I sure as hell would not want to be hit by that little pill, no matter what the nay sayers claim. http://www.brassfetcher.com/762x25mm.html

As a matter of fact we did have a local LEO killed in the line of duty by some madman shooting the 7.62 x 25 out of a CZ52. One shot to the buttocks as the officer tried to hunch down and run for cover. That bullet exited out of his neck. Needless to say but he expired on the spot. :mad:
 
Wow that is a hell of tumbling wound channel:eek: I wouldn't have thought something that small going that fast would roll around like that.

That said, lotta dead Germans (and Russians) because of the Tok round. Guess it kinda makes sense when shooting at heavily padded enemies (brutally cold Russia). Bullet goes in straight through all the thick felt coats, tumbles around a bit, and exits out.

As for hunting, I certainly wouldn't depend on it as my primary gun. However, if I were using a single shot and needed a back up or ran into an aggressive critter up close, 8 rounds of 7.62x25 wouldn't be bad. Maybe not a bad round for finishing off a wounded deer mercifully? I don't hunt, so I dunno:eek:
 
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