Apathy and No Guns Signs

You walk up to a business, and there's a "No Guns" sign on the door - what do you do?

  • I disarm before entering.

    Votes: 10 4.4%

  • I do not enter or spend money there.

    Votes: 50 21.9%

  • I do not enter or spend money there, and I contact management and explain why.

    Votes: 72 31.6%

  • I spend money there, but I talk to management.

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • I carry anyway - concealed is concealed.

    Votes: 95 41.7%
  • Total voters
    228
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Just wondering about what percentage of our folks here are supporting business who don't want our dirty gun owner money.

When you see a sign, legal or not, that says that a business does not want armed citizens to pass its doors, what do you do?
 
Just wondering about what percentage of our folks here are supporting business who don't want our dirty gun owner money.
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Not me. I won't patronize such a business.

I guess that I'm fortunate to live in the state of Washington (the original shall-issue state), where "no gun" signs are uncommon. In fact, the only places one typically sees any signage in my region is in school zones, in the schools, a sprinkling of hospitals, and, of course, federal buildings and court houses ... as far as businesses, I never notice "no gun" signs (not that they might not be displayed, they certainly aren't prominent) in places I shop/eat.

Such signage in a business carries weight in this state only insofar as the issue of criminal tresspass. Nevertheless, we have an active group in the state that lets businesses know that they've lost us as customers for good if they desire to remain a gun-free zone.

I've communicated in person with a store's manager, and via e-mail to a franchise headquarters, regarding "no gun" signage in a popular business. I believe it's our responsibility to inform any business that displays such signs that we will be vocal in communicating to the general public our opposition to "gun-free" zones that deny us a basic right to self-defense and defense of our families, but will also in fact, have the unintended consequence of encouraging criminals and possibly facilitating tragedy, i.e., recent mall shootings.
 
There's only three places I'll go that have No Gun Signs here in Myrtle Beach.

1. Post Office
2. Santee Cooper Power Company (gotta have electricity)
3. Toys r Us (I hate that fact, but they often have things that I can't get for my kid anywhere else... and they're a big chain, so I kinda let them slide, based on the fact that they probably have some weasel up in accounting figuring up probability of crazy massacres vs. liability payouts)
 
We get a few restricted areas with the "rules" printed, in small print, somewhere near a door but very few obvious signs. Funnily enough the most noticeable signs are at gun shops.

Nothing says I have to read the small print before entering the mall so I ignore them. Interestingly, the "rules" on the wall of city owned multi-story car parks say that firearms are restricted. First, since you obviously have to drive in, you would not see the signs until you walk out. Second, we have state preemption so they are probably non-enforceable in any case if they were challenged.

And I am VERY unlikely to enter the sort of shop that would seriously object to a firearm, they are just not my type of business.
 
Only place I do not carry is where it is an AZ code violation to carry. If asked to leave, I would and would never spend another dime in the place.
 
Dude, you need to get over yourself. Ignoring a sign that has no legal weight and carrying anyway is in no way supporting gungrabbers.

Cry to management all you want. I have better things to do.
 
Missing option: walk back to car, lock away gun. Walk back in business and ask for manager. Present him with VCDL "As a Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit holder" card. Take my $$ elsewhere. Get home and notify VCDL of new business to add to the "do not patronize" list!
 
I've encountered this situation once: at a diner in Rockport, ME. I told the manager why I wouldn't be eating there, and went to one of the zillion other diners within a ten mile radius.
 
The store manager are not psychic... They only know what they're told.

And right now, it looks like they think that 40% of "gun folks" approve of their signs...

Maybe I should start selling "No Guns" signs - Do any of you 40-Percenters want to buy some?
 
They say ignorance of the law is no excuse. Where I live, restrictions posted by property owners in general are not state law. OK, I don't read their signs so I am ignorant of the PROPERTY OWNER'S rules. However, I do know the law. If I am armed, and I am instructed to do so, then I have to leave their property. I can live with that. Never happened yet.

Most of these signs are put up by the mall owner, not the individual stores. I do not know of any individual store in our area that I use, APART FROM GUNSHOPS, that have "No guns" signs. That includes the local WalMarts and Costcos.
 
I'm with divemedic. Get over yourself. Life is not as cut-and-dried simplistic as you want to make it.

I already outlined in another thread what some people's reasoning is.

Let me put what divemedic said another way: Ignoring a sign that was put up with little or no thought behind it and is not legaly enforceable anyway is not like making a contribution to the BradyBunch. I think your tinfoil beanie is a little too tight.
 
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2-sided business card for this

Side 1:

We have noticed your sign, and will respect your wishes by taking our business elsewhere; today and in the future.

For your convenience, you will be added to our "gun-owner-unfriendly businesses" database.

Side 2:

As a Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit holder, I have:
  • NO felony or domestic violence convictions
  • NO mental defects or disabilities
  • PASSED a criminal background checks
  • TRAINED in the safe and proper use of guns
How much do you know about your other customers?

Courtesy of the VCDL
 
I don't carry guns, I carry a Firearm. At basic every time someone called your weapon a gun you got slapped up side the head. I learned real quick.
 
It depends on the type of store. All gas stations that i am aware of here in Oklahoma have a "No Berretta 92's" signs in their window. If you think I am not getting gas then you are sadly mistaken. But what I will do and have done is get the information for their corporate office and conact their corporate office about it and let them know that not only do I feel it is unconstitutional to have that sign and policy, but that it will never have any effect on me excercising my constitutional right and that their station will be my last resort. (I have to get gas somewhere right?) As far as a department store or another business where I have the option of taking my business elsewhere, and there are other places without anti-gun policies, I remove my weapon just long enough to go inside and explain to them how I feel about their signs and that I have not intention of spending one dime in their business until they remove the sign and policy.
 
In Nevada there are a few places,casino's and the like where its posted 'no guns allowed'.I usually avoid those places...more of a variety of others places to patronize.
 
Can't do any of the choices 100% because of the way the law is written here in Ohio. "I do not enter or spend money there, and I contact management and explain why" fits what I like do do best when I have a choice. I've been known to look the other way if they don't post correctly and carry anyway.
 
Just about every shopping center in my area has signs up. I've spoken to the management at one of them, and I prefer to shop at the few which don't have signs, but there are no movie theaters etc. at those.

The signs are meaningless anyway - the law is very specific on the conditions required if you want to prohibit firearms. The places putting up 'no guns' signs don't comply, so I'm perfectly legal carrying there anyway. Stays concealed, though; I'm trouble-averse.
 
I carry on a badge, but i still try not to patronize the anti-gun establishments. I do enter and carry anyway if there is no other option.
 
I try to avoid businesses that don't support RKBA, but am not above going to one if it they don't have what I want somewhere else. I respect their right to run the business any way within the law that they wish; they can ask me to leave if they want, and it will most likely be the last time I ever patronize that business. Until then, I'll give the employees the benefit of the doubt and assume upper management ordered the signs to be posted. It's not illegal to ignore their signs here; I'm not sure what my attitude would be if it were.
 
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