AR-15 within $1500 budget

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smitty22gunr

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Hello all,

I have a buddy that fell hard for shooting after getting his first handgun, a G22. Now he's socking away $1500 or so for an AR-15. I have an Armalite AR-10 (love it), but I can't help him too much on little brother. It will primarily be for self defense and range use. Any suggestions as to brands, must have accessories, optics, etc? Keep in mind budget. Thanks in advance!

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There are SOOOO many fine AR-15s on the market today. Tell him to pick the one that has the barrel length, grip, stock, hand guard, etc. that he is looking for. To break the tie between the many options he will have tell him to pick the manufacturer mark that he likes the best. :)

For $1500 he will likely be able to afford a very nice optic for the rifle if that is what he wants. If he wants to go with irons, it will buy him a lot of mags and ammo.
 
$1,500 is way too high for a first (or any?) AR these days.

Tell you friend to use the following for his baseline:
1. S&W M&P15 Sport II (this year's model).
2. Ruger AR556.

Not saying to buy them, but look / research / learn and when others recommend something pricier, take a hard look to see what that extra money is getting you, and if it's truly worth the extra $$$ or if it's really needed.

As someone who has only Colt and RRA, if another one was to follow me home tomorrow, it would probably be one of the two above.
 
Forgot to add...for a budget optic (and one of my favorites), I just got another Bushnell Throw Down PCL from Palmetto State Armory for $149 (sorry, the sale is off).

You should be able to find it for under $200 if you shop wisely.

It's also a FFP reticle - if you or your friend are not familiar with FFP vs. SFP reticles, do a little research.

FFP is starting to catch on in the USA - it's been big in Europe for a number of years.
 
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I'd say go with the Colt 6920 if he has the money and then buy mags and ammo with the rest of the $1500.

I'm not sure where it's written that someone who's new to it all has to buy budget guns if he/she actually has the money.

After that pay for a class and learn how to use it.
 
Fine budget offerings from DPMS, S&W, Del-Ton, and PSA. With PSA he can pick a complete lower and complete upper, then slap the 2 together and create a gun. I like Aimpoint for a RDS, but the vortex sparc sights are supposed to be very nice for the $ and guaranteed. I would also recommend a Magpul backup rear sight, and since it may have defense applications, a modest rail handguard like a magpul, and a small pistol light like a M3. A defensive firearm may be required in the dark, which covers our planet about 50% of the time.
 
Tell him to order a white oak armament upper and a rock river lower with the National match trigger... mine will shoot far less than moa and is extremely accurate to 800 yds... I bought one of their more expensive uppers and along with the lower I have about $1100 tied up in the rifle and it already has the best bang for buck trigger on the market... this same setup can be had, less the fluting, for $950-1000
 
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I'm not sure where it's written that someone who's new to it all has to buy budget guns if he/she actually has the money.
Being new to it all has nothing to do with it.

I've owned my first AR for longer than the age of many in here, so I'm not new to the platform.
I have, however, learned how to comparison shop, and we're currently blessed with an abundance of AR's and the corresponding price drops (supply and demand, donchaknow).

As I stated...I already own a few Colts and RRA's (my favorite of the two) but iff'n I was buying today, either the S&W M&P Sport II or the Ruger AR556 would probably be the one going home with me.

$1,020 from Buds Guns.
Well if he has to have an LE6920 (not that there's anything wrong with that), he can get one from ArmsUnlimited for $875 and free shipping (I didn't dig too deep in the fine print).

Assuming he can find an FFL that will charge $25 transfer fee (the going rate in our neck o' the woods) then he could swing and LE6920 for $900 total!?
(Plus it shows a free Arms Unlimited Tactical Rifle Case is included).

https://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-Law-Enforcement-M4-Carbine-p/le6920.htm

Let us know what your buddy decides on!
 
Bushmaster Varminter for 750$ on their yearly sale....24 inch Wylde barrel and I shoot dimes at 100 yards...mostly .270's...I shoot .78's at 300 yards...about an inch and a half out at 600 yards on 3.5 inch steel

40 and 50 grainers though this 1 and niner will always hit under .370 at 100 yards and just as good out at 600.....Buy a nice high power scope...25 plus or better from Vortex or Leupold!
 
IMHO, after building an AR I kind of came to the conclusion that, prior to me building another, I needed to decide whether I favor defense or distance. I went this route because I think an AR dedicated to defense and an AR dedicated to longer distances at a range allows each to really excel in their specific purpose.

I think this is one of the biggest reasons many AR owners purchase or build multiple ARs given the versatility of the platform. My first AR build was initially intentioned to do defense and distance, but during that process I shifted to strongly favoring home defense. I'm gearing up to build another AR for the purpose of pushing 5.56 upwards of its limits to use at a 600 yard range I shoot at. For what it's worth, the following is my personal opinion.

DEFENSE - Design factors I quickly started favoring after initially starting the build as a multi-purpose AR...
Form factor vs. bullet velocity - A compact form factor makes moving about in smaller spaces easier to do, and the velocity sacrifice of a shorter barrel is not a big issue given it would be used at closer ranges.
Optics - Many of the simplistic and inexpensive sight options are incredibly well suited to defense, and durability takes preference over features or distance. Iron sights are durable, cheap, and work great. Certainly, the close range illuminated offerings from companies like Trijicon, Aimpoint, etc. are nice, but I think an AR used for defense should always have iron sights, even if only for use as a secondary backup. Any sighting system I use on a defensive AR needs to be very robust should the firearm be dropped.
Triggers - The trigger weight for defensive shooters are often intentionally heavier, and it doesn't make a big difference whether you are using a factory single stage trigger or a high-end single or two-stage target trigger. Given high-end triggers can cost hundreds of dollars, this is where money can be saved
Mags - Magazine wise, I favor mags constructed from steel with an impeccable reliability record (i.e., a brand/model known for avoiding feeding issues.) If the mag cannot survive being dropped on hard ground when loaded, I don't use that mag for defense and instead use it at the range only
Accessories & Rails - There are a lot of defensive accessories that can be very useful for home defense (for example, a high-output flashlight that has a button connected to an added secondary pistol grip.) In order to mount these accessories, a flexible rail that uses a standardized size is necessary.
Suppressors - ARs are loud as crap. Fired inside without hearing protection, ears can be damaged big time. While AR cans do not come close to eliminating all sound, even with supersonic ammo it is still a considerable sound decrease. The reduced sound and flash may also lower the chance that an assailant is able to use sound/sight to rapidly find you after you squeeze off the first round.


TARGET - having had the chance to see what design styles I favor for home defense, it is helping me determine what I want my next build to be like...
Form factor vs. bullet velocity - A longer barrel isn't a big deal and can increase bullet velocity. The excessive weight of a heavier barrel isn't a concern, even if a very heavy bull barrel is used.
Optics - Shooting past a certain distance creates the need for magnified optics (there's no consensus on exactly what this exact distance is, but if I am shooting much past 25 yards I am using magnified optics). The scopes I use on most of my rifles are not designed as tactical scopes, and if dropped they may break.
Triggers - The AR I am building is getting a Geissele trigger, which is a 2-stage trigger and adjustable. Stupid expensive, I can only bring myself to shell out that much cash for a range queen
Mags - I use a lot of cheap plastic mags given a feeding issue isn't a big deal. These mags are prone to breaking if dropped on hard ground when loaded. I also have one of the ridiculously large mags that I also only use for the range.
Accessories & Rails - The rail going on my current build is designed only to mount a single scope, and perhaps a bipod, although I prefer to shoot from a Caldwell bench
Suppressors - When I go to a range, I know when I am going to start shooting, giving me time to put ear plugs in prior to doing so. In a defensive situation, I wont have that luxury.
 
For straight defense applications-
I recommend a very simple reliable AR carbine. Basic functional iron sight in the "up and ready" position- my favorite being a carry handle cut in half. It's always up, and rail is exposed forward of the sight for co-witness RDS use for other applications, like the range. You may not remember or have time to activate your RDS when you need it, or the battery may have died under your bed, or you may forget to pop the scope covers- which you would want to keep on any quality piece of glass when its not being used, I think.

A 20 round pmag is reliable, light, and makes the whole thing just a little more compact than a 30, a 40, or some "Al Capone" drum gimmick.

An expensive suppressor, with tax stamp, isn't something that I would want to keep unsecured (which brings up the price of the AR). The setup will most likely need to be out of a safe to be accessible in an emergency. Accept that you WILL get your bell rung if you use it. Its not good for you, but I wager most LE and others who use their guns in emergent situations do so without hearing protection. Obviously, don't make a habit out of this.

To me, a white light on a defensive gun is as important as the gun itself, in order to positively ID the target and employ accurate and controlled fire (unless you sleep with night vision goggles on and you have an IR laser/illuminater on your AR). In order to mount a light securely, a rail system of some type is generally required.

Accept the fact that if you do use it, even in the right, you will lose it, at least for a while. Which is why a reliable Del-Ton as described above is my under the bed HD AR, and my Larue rifles and NFA shorty/suppressed carbines are stored in a safe.
 
Your friend can probably buy two with a $1500 budget.

S&W has a new entry level AR-15 for only $630 from Budsgunshop online.

If you want to use up the budget I would recommend the SIG516 which is a great rifle, very high quality and very accurate...
 
I am not a Colt fan boy at all, but with $1500 for a first AR, and stated use of defense?

A LE6920 and an Aimpoint. Probably still enough left over for 5-10 mags. Pretty hard to beat that combo for use inside about 150m.
 
You can build an insanely good rifle for that price, even with some optics depending on your intended use. Unless you just aren't mechanically inclined or a company offers EXACTLY what you want, building is usually a better way to get the rifle you want than to settle for something and "upgrade" it later as you see fit. You can save yourself some money there too. Me personally, I've grown to hate most factory triggers in rifles and most factory barrels are junk too.

With that in mind I built my own rifle and spent probably $1300 on it:
Anderson lower
Geissele SSA-E trigger
Magpul MOE grip
Magpul UBR stock
Magpul Trigger Guard
H2 buffer
Carbine spring
Aero Precision Upper
Strike industries ARCH-EL charging handle
Ground Zero Precision Dead Bolt BCG
Ground Zero Precision gas block
Ground Zero Precision gas tube (rifle length)
Shillen Match Barrel (20" 1:8 twist)
Lantac Dragon muzzle brake
SLR Rifleworks Solo 15"
Burris PEPR mount
Vortex Viper PST 6.5-20x50 FFP
Aukmont 45º Offset sights (cheap but effective)

20" custom upper:
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With the optic, that upper is over your price limit, but with just iron sights or a decent red dot you could hit your price target quite easily if you buy parts at bargain prices when they go on sale.

The second upper I have is a Palmetto State Dissipator upper with stainless barrel 1:7 twist 16"barrel and mid length gas.

Dissipator:
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This is my "beater" upper. I use it for training. The other upper is for poking tiny groups in paper and maybe yote hunting later, but the Dissy is for defense and training. I bought that upper on sale from PSA for $219 without BCG or charging handle.
 
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I agree with the others who said to build one. Your friend will learn much more about function and maintenance, and building one isn't anything more than taking the parts and screwing them together, so to speak. There are many tutorials on YouTube.
$1500 was what a good one cost 3-4 years ago, during the "panic", but you can get a very nice one for little more than half that much today, and building one with premium parts will take less than $1500.
I built my M4 in 2013 for about $1500. The specs are in the "show pics of your AR..." thread in this section of the forum. Mine's 300BLK, but the caliber shouldn't affect the price much, if any.
 
$1500 will buy you a Colt 6920 or BCM AR-15, an Aimpoint PRO, and a sling.

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ummm,

1500 bucks will buy a pair of decent lowers and a couple of kits and maybe a spare upper and a few magazines.

or a decent lower, lower kit and several uppers magazines and ammo.

I think if I had $1500 extra bucks I would build a kit in 5.56, get an upper in .300 BLK, an dedicated .22LR upper (all alike as possible) some mags, some ammo in each caliber and a good sandwich and soda .

I guess I am silly though.

-kBob
 
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