AR-15 within $1500 budget

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No doubt building an AR is an excellent way to learn the platform.

But the OP stated that the guy just purchased his first pistol and is now interested in an AR for home defense. I wouldn't suggest a guy who just got into motorsports build his first race car.

You're talking about what, 50-60 total individual parts to assemble, half of which are simple springs and roll pins, vs a complex race car? That's not even apples and oranges, that's more like apples and quantum physics, IMO.

I did the exact same thing as this guy years ago. Went to the range with a friend and loved it. Bought my first handgun, then shot a friends AR and had to have my own. Researched the crap out of them and decided to build it myself. Some people like to make it out to be a complicated matter when it isn't. With all the knowledge and tutorials online (youtube has tons of good how-to videos) there's no reason anyone couldn't do it at the kitchen table with simple hand tools. I did it pretty easily, and have gone on to build quite a few more as well as help people with even less experience as the OP's friend build their own.
 
But the OP stated that the guy just purchased his first pistol and is now interested in an AR for home defense. I wouldn't suggest a guy who just got into motorsports build his first race car.

Why not? An AR is a glorified Lego kit compared to a car. Heck, there are plenty of Lego kits that are FAR more complicated than an AR.

If he can open a Youtube video and operate simple hand tools, he can easily assemble his first AR. I did, and then a few more after that. And I don't even consider myself mechanically-inclined at all.
 
Heck, there are plenty of Lego kits that are FAR more complicated than an AR.

Aint that the truth! Some of the sets I've had to put together for my boys lately have been insane and taken longer than an AR build ... and then they destroy it within a couple hours! :banghead:
 
Because there's a difference between a range toy, and a tool that you plan on defending life and property with? That's just me.

I don't think it's difficult to assemble a quality rifle using quality parts. But folks here are talking about Palmetto State Armory and other budget brands which are fine for range use, but I wouldn't carry one on duty.

Yes, most AR makers source barrels and receivers from the same makers. No, they're still not all the same due to different levels or specifications and quality control. There's a reason some rifles are $500 and others are easily 3 times as much.
 
If you put a cheap rifle through some testing, shouldn't it not matter if it is PSA or some $5000 top shelf maker if it runs flawlessly?

Seems that a rifle is a rifle if it works well and shoots straight.
 
Agreed, if an inexpensive rifle runs well, I'd be more than happy to take it into harms way.

I don't have the time or money to find out of an inexpensive build is up to the task right out of the box; thus I spend my hard earned money that's already been proven.

I've got nothing against PSA, Bushmaster, Smith and Wesson, DPMS rifles...for range toys.
 
Agreed, if an inexpensive rifle runs well, I'd be more than happy to take it into harms way.



I don't have the time or money to find out of an inexpensive build is up to the task right out of the box; thus I spend my hard earned money that's already been proven.



I've got nothing against PSA, Bushmaster, Smith and Wesson, DPMS rifles...for range toys.



Just because a brand is known as "high end" doesn't mean they don't have failures off the production line. I have a buddy who's brand new .308 AR-10 from a very reputable company had issues and he had to send it back in to be fixed ... happens all the time to any manufacturer out there. So personally, I wouldn't take any rifle into harms way without making sure it'll run and run hard, whether it was a $500 rifle or $2000 rifle. Main thing for me is the BCG, and bolt specifically and what it's made out of and the QC on it. Most people would be better off buying / building a $500 - $700 rifle and spending the $1000+ savings in ammo and training.

Having said all that tho, all my builds have been high end components because like you, I do put my faith in them more whether it's really warranted or not. Heck, back when nickel boron was pretty new and options were slim I bought a BCM BCG for $225 because I believed them to be of the highest quality (still do) and then paid someone $105 to coat it in NiB. So $330 in a BCG, most would say I'm nuts and I'd probably agree but the couple companies that offered NiB BCG's back then weren't of the quality I look for in that pretty important part. Now there are several companies putting out really good NiB BCG's.

To each their own, we all like to spend our money in different ways but I'm still a big advocate for building your own rifle. And if you like high end you can still build it to those specs with those same parts the high end companies use.


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Maybe it's easy to forget, but the AR parts market is absolutely impossible to navigate as a complete beginner. It's difficult to do even as someone a bit more experienced in the ins-and-outs of the platform. Sure, I see merrit in building, but I can't comprehend how people look at someone who is a complete beginner to the firearms world and just want to toss them straight into the deep end. The way I see it, unless someone with a great deal of experience is helping find parts it's more likely to end up in a poorly performing rifle than had one ordered a factory complete rifle. Not to mention that if something does go wrong, there's no factory to send the complete rifle back to, as such it takes significantly more diagnostic ability to in order to make the rifle functional.

The building itself is easy, as long as one follows directions, but pretending it's a simple as Lego's because of the ease of mechanical assembly is disingenuous. It's the guy's first rifle, if he can afford to buy one complete from a quality manufacturer he probably should. I doubt he'll notice enough marginal improvment on an AR built from QUALITY parts to make the difference in effort and risk worth it.

Also, long heavy barrels and match triggers? Defensive purposes were mentioned very very very early in the OP.
 
Maybe it's easy to forget, but the AR parts market is absolutely impossible to navigate as a complete beginner.

I must be some kind of wizard then because I did exactly this, while in the exact same situation as this guys friend.

It's difficult to do even as someone a bit more experienced in the ins-and-outs of the platform.

I just don't get why some people make this out to be rocket science when it really is a simple thing to do. I literally went from shooting a friends AR one day for the first time ever (30 rounds) to building one from stripped receivers without a lick of help outside of google. If this is difficult for someone experienced with the platform then I'd probably not want to be on the same firing line as them.

Sure, I see merrit in building, but I can't comprehend how people look at someone who is a complete beginner to the firearms world and just want to toss them straight into the deep end.

It's really more like a wading pool. Again, I was a total and complete newb when I built my first rifle, had zero idea what I was doing when I first started. Didn't know a gas block from a bolt, or a buffer tube from a forward assist. Even further I had only been introduced to firearms a year or so earlier when I bought my first gun (XDM 9mm).

The way I see it, unless someone with a great deal of experience is helping find parts it's more likely to end up in a poorly performing rifle than had one ordered a factory complete rifle. Not to mention that if something does go wrong, there's no factory to send the complete rifle back to, as such it takes significantly more diagnostic ability to in order to make the rifle functional.

Like I said above, outside of google I had zero help figuring out what parts to buy and how to assemble it. On top of that I didn't even know what the parts were and what they did. However, there is so much knowledge available with a few short keystrokes. If you can use google and youtube there's absolutely no reason someone like myself can't research the AR-15 platform, figure out what makes them tick, put together a parts list, and then go figure out who makes good parts. Once you've done all that thoroughly, assembly is easy. Also once you've done all that thoroughly, diagnosing and troubleshooting should be easy, especially using our friend google again and forums such as these. If someone can't use google to do so I'm not sure they should be getting into the AR world to begin with. The way I see it, any person wanting to build an AR needs to understand that it will take some time and research on their end to fully understand what they are doing, but it is certainly and easily doable by your average Joe.

The building itself is easy, as long as one follows directions, but pretending it's a simple as Lego's because of the ease of mechanical assembly is disingenuous. It's the guy's first rifle, if he can afford to buy one complete from a quality manufacturer he probably should. I doubt he'll notice enough marginal improvment on an AR built from QUALITY parts to make the difference in effort and risk worth it.

For me building wasn't about a noticeable improvement, in fact I'd wager most AR's of equal value whether built or bought off a shelf will function nearly identically. I also don't see how there's a greater risk with building if you can follow directions. Either way a human being is still assembling a factory rifle and we're all capable of making mistakes. I would agree though if the buyer can afford a quality factory rifle there's certainly no harm in buying it, I obviously just like the extra knowledge and satisfaction you get knowing you built it yourself ... that and building it the way you want it means you probably won't have to spend extra money down the road swapping out that factory grip / stock / handguard / brake / <insert part here> because you end up not liking the factory parts.

Also, long heavy barrels and match triggers? Defensive purposes were mentioned very very very early in the OP.

Long heavy barrel? Certainly not! Don't see any reason a quality trigger on any AR would be a bad idea though.

Sorry, that got really long winded, and I'm not trying to argue with you. It's just that someday someone is going to be on step 1 of wanting to build an AR and open google like I mentioned above and read this thread, and I don't want them scared off because someone thinks it's above other peoples skill level to build their first rifle from scratch!!
 
That's not enough for a LaRue or Wilson Combat, but there are many great options from Colt, Bushmaster and Rock River for under$1500
 
Building is easy.

But, I was dealing with a circuit board design last night that has lots of parts much more complex than a rifle. Just build it and move on with life :D:D
 
I'm curious if any of these folks who've built their very first rifle takes said rifle and used it heavily and frequently in classed and into harms way? If so, kudos.

I have team mates who wanted to tinker and build their first rifle out of PSA parts, and hell, even quality parts and some would take a dump at on a training day. Fortunately we're just training so it's merely an inconvenience. The rest of us who've got experience or would rather buy a complete rifle, well, we rarely have issues.
 
I'm curious if any of these folks who've built their very first rifle takes said rifle and used it heavily and frequently in classed and into harms way? If so, kudos.

I have team mates who wanted to tinker and build their first rifle out of PSA parts, and hell, even quality parts and some would take a dump at on a training day. Fortunately we're just training so it's merely an inconvenience. The rest of us who've got experience or would rather buy a complete rifle, well, we rarely have issues.
I would just about bet the answer to that is "no".
 
Thinking of Trading for My First AR

AR Description:

PSA complete upper assembly with Anderson lower with Magpul furniture with a sharktooth muzzle break. Optic is Trinityforce 3-9x42 with additional micro red dot.

Guy wants to trade this for my Ruger GP100
 
For $1500, take a hard look at an FN15 (right around $1000) with an Aimpoint PRO (around $400) and a few P Mags.
 
I'm curious if any of these folks who've built their very first rifle takes said rifle and used it heavily and frequently in classed and into harms way? If so, kudos.

I have team mates who wanted to tinker and build their first rifle out of PSA parts, and hell, even quality parts and some would take a dump at on a training day. Fortunately we're just training so it's merely an inconvenience. The rest of us who've got experience or would rather buy a complete rifle, well, we rarely have issues.

I would just about bet the answer to that is "no".

I completely agree, it's probably always a resounding "no!" and I understand and agree with your point.

The thing is, I think most of us are talking about civilian use, weekend warrior type stuff here. I'd wager that the very, very large majority of people buying or building AR's have no plans or need for their rifles to be ran hard in classes or taken into harms way. If we start talking about military needs then that obviously changes the tune of the conversation and no one would be mentioning PSA and other cheaper brands ... or I wouldn't think so at least. Most AR's out there are probably paper and soda can plinkers or varmint rigs and their owners will probably do nothing more than maybe a couple mag dumps and call it good. If that. Which takes me back to ...

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Most people would be better off buying / building a $500 - $700 rifle and spending the $1000+ savings in ammo and training.

But in reality I don't think your average person has any interest in professional training. They just want a cool range gun to have some fun on the weekends and show off to their friends. I'd bet that a lot people that buy their first AR have no clue how it functions or even how to properly clean and maintain it (I've seen this personally as I'm sure many of us have). Hell, some probably don't even know it separates into the lower and upper for that matter. Years ago I went out with some friends once because one wanted to shoot their brand new Colt AR. As we're setting up another guy asks him, "is that piston driven"? I knew this guy had no clue what that meant so he just shook his head confidently and said "oh yeah." And this guy was a LEO!! For the record, it was not a piston driven rifle.

Had that same guy researched the AR platform for a couple months - How an AR works, and why (DI vs Piston)? What are the individual components? What do they do, and why? Who makes them? Who makes them good and who just spits out parts to fill their shelves? - he wouldn't have looked like an idiot to the rest of us that knew better when he said his AR was piston driven.

For the record, I have no problem with people buying a rifle off the shelf if that's what they want to do and I'd be more than happy to help them shop for something that fit their needs. But I feel average Joe civilians that take a little extra time to learn the platform and assemble it themselves will have a much better understanding of the platform, from routine maintenance and cleaning to troubleshooting, diagnosing, and resolving problems. But as with everything in life, there's different strokes for different folks so we all just have to go with what works for us!
 
Because there's a difference between a range toy, and a tool that you plan on defending life and property with? That's just me.

I don't think it's difficult to assemble a quality rifle using quality parts. But folks here are talking about Palmetto State Armory and other budget brands which are fine for range use, but I wouldn't carry one on duty.

Assembling an AR correctly (proper torquing, staking, etc.) and testing it yourself is not rocket science. The info for how to do it right is readily available. If you are incapable of doing a bare minimum of internet research, then by all means spend the premium for pre-assembled.

Speaking of PSA, I've been in their brick-and-motar stores and have seen LEOs purchasing them for duty use. I'm not saying that I would without thoroughly inspecting one, but I'm partial to BCMs or my own builds.

But as I previously stated, if you don't want to think about it all, buy a Colt 6920/6970, and Aimpoint PRO, and a quality sling. I don't think anyone would be disappointed with that combo.
 
I agree that figuring out what parts to buy and assembling an AR is not too difficult for a beginner. The difficulty with the market is knowing what to buy (and equally important, what not to buy). So many different brands, configurations, quality levels and accessories. A lot of beginners end up building an abomination with all kinds of useless crap on it when they could have had a better rifle for less money.

The best "value" IMO is to either buy a complete rifle of known good quality or assemble one with complete upper and lower of known good quality.

I'm a huge proponent of training, but for a range gun/plinker it isn't needed. If it is going to be the primary HD gun, then yes. Before buying/building the 2nd AR, spend that $ instead on training! A quality AR with light, sling, and RDS plus a 2 day class beats 2 ARs (can only defend yourself with 1 at a time anyway) and no training, no contest.
 
Has anyone mentioned for $1500 he should get a Colt 6720/6920, Aimpoint Pro, light, and quick adjust 2pt sling? ;)

Then 10 mags and ammo. Then a carbine course.

This is a great suggestion for anyone's first AR ... It's quality and common sense. There are so many cut-rate ... or "budget" parts out there that should be avoided if your use is defense.

If you shop around you can find a premium AR like a KAC SR-15 E3 MOD 1 in that price range ... with a Knights you will never be disappointed ... I have a 1993 SR-25 Match with 10K rounds down the tube and it still shoots 0.6" @ 100 and an SR-15's that shoots every bit as well out of the box. Unless you don't like the stock or pistol grip I don't know what else anyone would want to change ... of course you can add whatever optic's you like ... mine had a 1-3 IOR on it when this pic was taken but now it has a Leopold 4-12x40 tactical.

This is mine with the factory KAC 300BO upper and the 223 upper ... KAC specs are very tight as both uppers have minimal play ...

With AR's, like most everything else, you get what you pay for.

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Of course you can't go wrong with a Colt either ... both will hold their value.
 
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I went with a Colt LE 6920 for $899 on CDNN. Put an Aimpoint Pro, Magpul CTR stock and a 12in Midwest Industries M-Lok free float hand guard on there and came in under your friends budget. I really like the decisions I made with my rifle but there are nearly an infinite amount of combinations you can go with and none of them are "wrong".

Good luck!
 
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