AR-15 within $1500 budget

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You're going to get 8 million different answers. It really depends on what he wants to do with it.

Has he shot a rifle before?
Does he care about precision shooting?
If so, is he willing to pay for premium ammo?
Does he want to shoot with iron sights or an optic? Has he tried both?
Does he want to shoot on a bench? In the field? In some sort of competition?
Does he care about the weight of the gun? Is he planning to carry it somewhere?
Is he planning to do training? If so, what kind?

Once those are answered, it becomes easier to sort out the various options.
 
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Get a video and learn to build your own AR. Upper and a good barrel and a good single stage trigger makes a badass rifle. I use jard single stage triggers 1.5lb pulls. I have built a lot of AR15 and 10s.
 
Clearly what someone planning to use the rifle for self defense needs is a 1.5lb single stage trigger :confused::eek::uhoh:
 
Have him go to a more AR centric board and ask the question after some diligent research.
After weeks of reading, he will still likely go with a Colt 6920, an AimPoint PRO and spend anything left over on magazines and ammo.
I'm surprised anyone would recommend he build his first AR and/or go with a trigger that is built for a much more experienced shooter.
We were all newbies at one point, the crawl, walk, and then run method of training is the best way to go about this.
 
smitty22gunr, I must confess that the idea of spending $1500 on a first AR-15 just blows my mind. :)

These days, if I were looking for a first AR-15 I would start at half that amount and then spend some of the remaining budget on ammo and necessary accessories.

My cousin bought his first AR a few months ago, a Ruger AR-556. He brought it to me to check it over & to teach him "AR" basics.

FWIW, I thought that it is a very nice rifle. I think that he paid ~$650 at a LGS ... maybe Clark Bros (?).
 
Going inexpensive on your first car or motorcycle makes sense. You're likely to crash it.

Going inexpensive on your first AR is OK, just understand the difference between cheap and inexpensive. Iver learned to "buy once, cry once." Although with AR's it's tough to just buy one.
 
I think my pal is inclined to go for a Bushmaster XM-15. I have no experience with them, but they seem to have generally positive reviews. Can anyone offer insight on that rifle?


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Copied and pasted from last thread. His budget may be higher but choice remains the same unless he wants to customize it with rail and other specific stuff. Really though, he should just get the Colt and spend the extra money on mags, ammo, optic, sling, light, and mounts for such.

Honestly though, I cannot see how any company can compete with Colt's current prices. There will be good parts deals that turn into great value home builds or the market may change in the future, but where we are now, it is very hard to beat the Colt 6720 or 6920. Even some of the good options out there will require sights, furniture, etc. (see Aero or BCM OEM at Brownells). With the Colt offerings you get a rifle that is good to go (furniture and BUIS) for $800-900. You can modify if later, but you should shoot it a whole lot first especially if its your first AR.

The Colt is a whole tier above the budget ARs being put forward, and yet is only $150-200 more usually. Colt has good quality parts, non-proprietary parts, and most importantly good QC. Why not spend the $150 and get the standard by which all others are compared, instead of going with a good, but not quite all there carbine? Whats $150/number of years of use?

I will say that finding a S&W or Ruger at $500-550 (which I recently saw) would be VERY hard to pass up, but once you start talking $600-650 you might as well just go $800-875 and get a much better rifle. If the market changes in the future and Colts start going over $1000 once more, I'd start looking budget. But where they are now there is simply no reason not to get a Colt unless you get some good deals on parts and build yourself or money is just so tight that $150 really makes a huge difference.

Edit: The guy taking his budget AR to the range and calling it "just as good" as a Colt, BCM, or Noveske hasn't shot his gun long enough or got super lucky. As to the whole AR being inferior to AK/SKS things, well that is a call one has to make for themselves. In my mind you have two theories: the ammo or the environment is going to cause a misfeed. Guns like the AK, with large ejection ports, are designed for ammo stoppages. Guns like the AR, with small ejection ports, are designed to keep out debris/mud/sand/etc. If you think you will need to clear jams often, go AK. If you think your ammo and maintenance are good, go AR. And by maintenance I mean squirt oil in bolt.

Edit: I'd stress the 6720 or another lightweight rifle over the standard. There is really no reason to get the 6920 or another M4orgery unless you want some sort of 37/40mm attached.

As to Bushmaster, I don't know if they've changed their practices, but they have historically come up short compared to the Colt. You should look at the Colt as the minimum required for a quality fighting rifle. There will be better rifles, but you don't really want to go lower.
 
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Has anyone mentioned for $1500 he should get a Colt 6720/6920, Aimpoint Pro, light, and quick adjust 2pt sling? ;)

Then 10 mags and ammo. Then a carbine course.
 
$1,500 is way too high for a first (or any?) AR these days.

Well, on THIS day. Those days are numbered! $1500 will be the price floor not long after November 9. When people are facing the prospect of a few weeks until the inauguration of POTUS HRC, the prices will explode. But the publicly negotiable price may tank if she has coat-tails and brings in a D Congress that enacts EBR bans. My guess is that it won't happen; that she'll be elected by people who can't stand Trump and ticket-split to vote for her and R reps and senators. If the Ds take Congress, plan to hide your ARs for life or surrender them.

The Ds are running out of social wedge issues. Gay marriage is a fait accompli, one SCOTUS appointee will solidify Roe v. Wade forever, and even the existing courts will quickly make hash out of these stupid trans bathroom bills. Attacks on gun ownership are one of the few things left to use as a sop to the liberal, urban base.

If my spousal critter would cooperate, I'd buy ten ARs and re-sell them in December or January.
 
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I agree with the Colt, but the 6720 is more suited to a home defense role than the 6920, with its lighter barrel leading to much better handling. I'd actually say it's better suited for any role. The barrel profile of the 6920 has no advantages over the pencil profile of the 6720... it is just needlessly heavy in the wrong place. They sell more of them because people want what the military uses, even if it doesn't make sense. The 6720 is actually cheaper at $800.

Either one would be a fine reliable rifle though. Why Colt? Well, it's the cheapest/most basic complete rifle on the market that at least meets the mil specs. For a potential fighting role I wouldn't look at anything that doesn't at least hit that benchmark.

Use the rest of the budget for an Aimpoint PRO, at least a dozen of the $7.99 D&H mags from PSA, a VCAS sling, and a FSB mounted white light.
 
They sell more of them because people want what the military uses, even if it doesn't make sense. The 6720 is actually cheaper at $800.

It makes use in the military where you might affix an M203 to the barrel.

If you don't plan to do that, then yes - the 6720 makes a lot of sense.
 
Funny you mention the 203... the reason the M4 barrel has the cut in front of the gas block is because they had to cut it down to the original gov't profile (the 6720 profile) there so the front collar of the 203 would attach. A 6720 would mount a 203 just fine... it is the profile the 203 was originally designed for.
 
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$1500

Colt LE6720 or LE6920, or a BCM OEM from Brownell's and add furniture. Acquire some spare magazines.

Vickers Tactical sling.

Aimpoint PRO, or Trijicon MRO (I like the Trijicon).

Scout light of your choice if budget allows.

Should be doable with that budget, and your friend will end up with a first rate carbine that is as durable, reliable, and accurate as an issued service rifle.
 
$1500 buget

Hey man if you are on a real tight budget like me, build your AR. My older brothers are helping me cuz I am bad a putting things together and my price will be like a $400. Go to palmetto state armory and they have great deal
 
The BCM OEM is a good choice too, with material and testing specs equal to Colt.

As far as Bushmaster goes, they at least use 4150 chrome lined barrels (they are offering some that are nitrided now too -- does the same thing), but they only offer them in 1/9 twist instead of the 1/7 mil spec twist like the Colt would have, which lets you shoot the heavier bullets, including some of the best defensive loads, and I don't think the barrels and bolts are high pressure tested and magnetic particle inspected... at least they don't advertise them as such. Also Bushmaster's QC is not known for being the best. Things have probably not gotten any better for them since they were acquired by the Freedom Group several years back... that consortium owns many of the big American firearm mfgs now and has royally screwed up every brand it has touched.
 
Funny you mention the 203... the reason the M4 barrel has the cut in front of the gas block is because they had to cut it down to the original gov't profile (the 6720 profile) there so the front collar of the 203 would attach. A 6720 would mount a 203 just fine... it is the profile the 203 was originally designed for.

Indeed!
 
Most experienced AR folks would put the likes of Daniel Defense, Noveske, Knights Armament, LaRue, Lewis Machine & Tool, Colt, FN, BCM, WOA & JP at the top end of things----all 100% mil-spec (or nearly so) and all very high quality. Many of these are obtainable within a $1500 budget, in other cases, not.

Ranking a "step down" would most likely be Rock River, Spikes, Bushmaster, Ruger, CMMG, Cav Arms, DPMS, Del-Ton, Armalite, PSA, S&W, Stag and Windham----all "okay," but generally not mil-spec.

Falling into the bottom tier would probably be the likes of Olympia, Rguns, Eagle, New Frontier, Vulcan, Century and Model 1.
 
Another vote for building his own. I built my very first AR (and subsequently all of them) for 2 reasons. 1) I wanted to learn the system and know it inside and out so that WHEN something breaks I know how to deal with it. 2) No factory rifle is built the way I wanted a rifle built with the parts I wanted on it so why buy one and then spend hundreds after the fact swapping out parts?

Build it yourself and you gain the knowledge on how the system works and how to diagnose and fix issues, plus you can build it exactly the way you want. It's a no brainer to me but with that said, the colt, PWS, or BCM with an aimpoint is a great option if he just wants to buy and be done with it.
 
No doubt building an AR is an excellent way to learn the platform.

But the OP stated that the guy just purchased his first pistol and is now interested in an AR for home defense. I wouldn't suggest a guy who just got into motorsports build his first race car.
 
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