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AR-15s DPMS or Stag?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Ship_engineer, Dec 28, 2011.

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  1. Ship_engineer

    Ship_engineer Member

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    Ive been looking at buying a AR-15 for a while now and once my tax return comes in im gonna by one.

    Now im a AR-15 noob (have never owned one but shot a few) but i have narrowed it down to DPMS or Stag.
    Specifically Dpms Sportical or Stag 3.


    I really would like the Dpms 3G1 or the Stag 3g but the wife will castrate me if i spend $1400+ on a single gun.


    So which would you buy?
     
  2. Pat M

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    Of the two listed, I would buy the Stag. If I were making the decision, however, I'd build the lower myself, and put a Spikes or Bravo Co upper on it.
     
  3. KNOCKDOWN

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    Another vote for the Stag...if choosing between the two you listed.
     
  4. BudW

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    I like DPMS
     
  5. Frankl03

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    Spikes Tactical or Palmetto state armory

    Look at the reviews on Spikes and Palmetto state Armory. Also if you check their specs you will see they rate pretty highly. For around $700 PSA has Midlength with a Cold hammer forged barrel made by FN.
     
  6. rjrivero

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    Of those two, the Stag would be my choice.
     
  7. BearAZ737

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    If you are open to suggestions I would highly recommend a Sikes Tactical, I just built one for 679 total. They are top level quality! You should go to their sight and look up their specs. Its very impressive. James Dunst is the VP and can sell you an M4 profile upper cheap like 479 (with CH, BCG, and a Sikes T2 Heavy Buffer). PM me if you want more info.

    But if you are sentimental about those two brands Stag is better.
     
  8. Automag88

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    I'd say DPMS. Never had a single problem with mine
     
  9. john5036

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    Whatever the respective prices are from where you are getting them, just make sure you can get more for less $$$. Lots of competition out there, some less controversial than others.

    I personally own a Spike's. It's not the cheapest, but inside the $800-$900 range of ARs, it's arguably the best of that crop.
     
  10. brian923

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    Dpms makes a quality gun, but with the things they took out of the sportical to drop the price, ( forward assist, dust cover, no rear sight, and no brass deflector) makes it a little less appealing. Besides, almost all the ar companies out there have an ar in the "sportical" price range with way more options. Of the two listed, i would choose stag. And, i would continue to shop around. Look also at smith and wesson. They have a sport modle for 650.00$. it has a 1/8 twist and comes with 1 or 2 pmags and comes with a rear magpul back up iron sight to boot! Shop around and really do your homework. It will really pay of in the end. Hope this helps, brian. Happy new year!
     
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    Since your wife is going to castrate you go with Smith and Wesson, first choice would be bravo company.
     
  12. Hacker15E

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    Another vote for doing more research and getting more bang for your buck with another company than the two you've narrowed it down to.
     
  13. TITAN308

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    Ive been using DPMS for years.
     
  14. Strongbad

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    Buy the upper and then piece it together, it'll come out cheaper. I just got my Stag 3G upper in last week and it'll soon be dropped onto a PSA lower. The 3G upper is a sweet little pkg. I'm really looking forward to breaking it in some time near the end of January if all goes well. Just have to pull together all of the rest of the goodies I want on the gun.
     
  15. SpeedAKL

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    Of those two, get the Stag. A better option is to get a BCM, S&W, Spikes, or LMT - all higher-quality guns that should come in around $1k if you look for them.
     
  16. Strykervet

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    Of the two, Stag. Look at Rainier Arms, they are local for me but compete with Bravo Company. They take pride in not selling junk and Stag is, I think, their cheapest.

    LMT is better though if you can swing it. I got an M4 upper, 14.5", and it is better than the Colt I was issued in the army. A lot better, but it looks pretty much the same. LMT will let cosmetic flaws through QC so if that bothers you you should inspect the actual weapon you intend to buy. I was told LMT did this to keep costs down. Noveske will scrap or sell as factory seconds parts with light roll marks, etc., but that obviously increases costs. Noveske does make fine stuff though. Try to get 1/7 twist whatever you get unless you plan on using it for varmint hunting a lot. Bushmaster likes 1/9 and 1/8, which is useless on a fighting rifle, and 1/8 is real common. But the 1/7 does better with the 62gr. and up bullets, and stabilizes 55gr. just fine. Your barrel first and trigger second, that is how you select an AR. Everything else can be junk or near junk and it will still be a good rifle if you get a good trigger and barrel. Trust me here, I built my Grendel using fairly cheap parts, not junk but not great, however, I got my hands on a Satern barrel and that made all the difference in the world, and a tuned RRA two stage topped it off. Sub-MOA and just wicked to the core.

    What I'd do is get the LMT M4 upper (or whatever floats your boat) and the lower of your choice with the trigger of your choice. I had Rainier blind pin an AAC Brakeout, they did a great job --the guy that does the work is a Boeing welder and he does great work. If you go through Rainier, they'll even assemble it for you if you like or don't have the assembly gear. This is really nice for someone that wants to build their own rifle but doesn't want to invest the money in all that gear. Anyway, you'd come out for a little bit more than $800, but not much. The upper is $400something and the lower is too (assembled, ready to go LMT lower with stock and 2 stage trigger).

    I went with a Noveske lower on my last build and will likely use them from now on. I used to think that lowers were lowers, but after getting a cheaper but decent Aero Precision and a Noveske side by side, I can say the Noveske has much closer tolerances. The fit has no equal. If you build the rifle, the extra $50 for the Noveske lower is definitely worth it in my opinion.

    Lots of good options today, this is the era of the AR. It truly has become the All American rifle, like it or not, and we have a plethora of parts to choose from. Just keep away from the junk and you'll be okay.

    As far as DPMS, they are okay. Not great, not bad, just okay. I had a LRR in .308, one of the first ones, and it wasn't anything to write about. I sold it. But others swear by them, and I have used their parts --my favorite rifle, the 6.5G, it uses a DPMS upper and lower small parts kit. But now I use JP Ent., they make the BEST lower parts kit and they come without the hammer and trigger (and the absolute best bolt carrier on the market, bar none, their "Tactical" bolt carrier, I'll never use another one but).

    I can say for a fact to stay away from Olympic Arms. They are just right down the street from me and I don't ever go there. They make junk, they know it, and they don't care. I couldn't even get them to make some small changes on parts for an entire infantry brigade to upgrade our M4's and make SDM rifles (they were close, so why not, and they did get the contract to test the SOPMOD gear, although I'll never know how). Their barrels were junk, their gas blocks blew off after 2000 rounds, and their FF rails system just can't stand any real abuse. These rifles are popular with newbies and Oly even has its own forum and the most popular thread is "why do people hate Oly so much?" and "how do I get my rifle to function reliably?". Enough said about them.

    Colt ain't bad and I hear a lot of good stuff about Palmetto. If you want 3gun, go look at JP Ent. They cater to the 3g crowd. Now they will be out of your price range, but you can build similar rifles for less.

    I have a LOT of AR building experience and I was one of the original SDM instructors in the army and we used M4's to 600m. I learned a lot about working on 'em, tweaking them, etc. Kind of became my thing. If you have specific questions, PM me. But go check out Rainier Arms, they have a good selection at good prices. Just make sure to check their prices against others, they aren't always the cheapest.
     
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    buy the one with the best deal, we have 4 DPMS AR's in the family and they all work just great.... nothing wrong with Stag but DPMS is in the neighborhood for me ....
     
  19. TwoEyedJack

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    I have a couple of AR15s. One is built up to be a varmint rifle with a DPMS stainless fluted tight-chambered free-floated barrel on a double star lower. It is scary accurate but very picky about what it will chamber. The other is a SHTF rifle. PSA upper, 20" A3 sights, Bushmaster lower, *always* goes bang (at least so far ;)) and will chamber anything.

    The first is fun to blast ground squirrels, the second is for serious social interaction should it ever become necessary.

    [​IMG]
     
  20. jpwilly

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    I have had 2 DPMS rifles since before there were all the choices on the market today. Both have been great rifles. In light of the choices out there today I might not own these today...be sure to shop.

    The DPMS or Stag will both work but I'd probably purchase a BCM, DD, Colt, Spikes, Etc etc if I was buying today.
     
  21. Sergeant Sabre

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    I would choose anything other than Olympic Arms over DPMS.

    Do yourself a favor and do some more research. You will find that neither of those brands are the most cost-effective options. You will be much happier in the long-run buying something higher quality now. Otherwise, you'll just end up buying another one of higher quality later on, thereby spending more.

    Others have mentioned Palmetto State Armory already. They sell a complete rifle for just over $600. It has all the "right" specs; HPT/MPI bolt (DPMS doesn't), properly staked gas key (this is critical, and DPMS doesn't), and others.
     
  22. wingman

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    I have a Stag 2011 model 3,only change was add a Geissele ssa-e trigger it gives me less then 1.0 groups at 100 yards,no problems, staking all good, they have a new 3g gun for competition comes with geissele trigger.

    I would not hesitate in buying another Stag.

    The AR is IMO one of the most difficult firearms to research when buying as you have your mall ninjas,Zombie hunters and many getting ready for battle and yet most AR's will never see battle other then in the minds of there owners. Buy what you can afford plus a good warranty and your good to go for thousands of rounds of "fun".
     
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    This is a no brainer stag all the way.....
     
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    Since cerberus holdings got its hands on bushmaster, dpms, and marlin there quality has gone down......thanks remington
     
  25. jlg

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    I'm a big fan of DPMS - Bang for your Buck (IMO) they're one of the best.
    The DPMS Oracle is only about $30 more than the Sportical and it has the dust cover, forward assist and shell deflector. It's a great gun to get you started and shouldn't cost you any more than $650.
     
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