natedog
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Why can't Colt mark their rifles as "AR-15" right now, and why won't they be able to after the ban?
AR Prices after ban sunset
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ShaiVong
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I dont know about after the ban, but doesnt the AWB specifically name "Colt AR-15 Rifles"? So colt and everyone else just changed the designation and shed some evil features.. I.E. Bushmaster XM-15, RRA LM-15 etc...
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Don't count your hens before they're chicken. When has any piece of gun control legislation EVER been repealed? When has any new tax EVER been repealed? When the Dems are in power they pass all kinds of new gun laws, when the Repubs are in power they never repeal any of them, all we end up with is status quo. I own a Colt pre-ban and i don't think i have any worries. Remember, if they wanted to they could have abolished the AWB on day one of taking office, We hafd the Pres., house, and senate at that time.
Don't count your hens before they're chicken. When has any piece of gun control legislation EVER been repealed? When has any new tax EVER been repealed? When the Dems are in power they pass all kinds of new gun laws, when the Repubs are in power they never repeal any of them, all we end up with is status quo. I own a Colt pre-ban and i don't think i have any worries. Remember, if they wanted to they could have abolished the AWB on day one of taking office, We hafd the Pres., house, and senate at that time.
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I think it all comes down to how close the election is in sept. If the Republicrats feel they need a lot of swing votes or if they think they can win without them. If they need the Demopublican voters the i think we're screwed.
I think it all comes down to how close the election is in sept. If the Republicrats feel they need a lot of swing votes or if they think they can win without them. If they need the Demopublican voters the i think we're screwed.
Harry Tuttle
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i wonder if they would ever have the spine to slip a pro AW rider into an appropriations bill
[fantasy]
Being that a well armed citizen is the best guarantee of liberty,
homeland defense semi auto rifles are protected from further unjust restrictions
[/fantasy]
[fantasy]
Being that a well armed citizen is the best guarantee of liberty,
homeland defense semi auto rifles are protected from further unjust restrictions
[/fantasy]
heres a creepy idea. What id the dems decide to add a little rider to an appropriations bill or somesuch? The president already said he's sign a ban. It might be an interesting political move for the Dem's to do it JUST SO Bush signs it and it takes out a lot os HIS supporters come November. I know that if i didnt want Bush to get re-elected id do everything possible to get him to sign ANY piece of gun control legislation. The dem's might just have all sorts of good reasons to pass an AWB part II.
Wildalaska
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I recently had the chance to speak to one of the NRA directors (and he is one of the more "active" ones)...I told him of the hue and cry that the NRA was gonna sell out and allow the Dems to get an AWB renewal as part and parcel of the bill to limit manufacturers/ dealer liability...
His response was to laugh..and he assured me that the ban expriation was a top priority....
WildgoodnewsAlaska
His response was to laugh..and he assured me that the ban expriation was a top priority....
WildgoodnewsAlaska
sigman4rt:
Like ajacobs said, the AW Ban does not have to be repealed.
As the AW Ban is written, it sunsets in September of 2004. The original law, as written, says the law ceases to exist 10 years from its original passage.
That means the law continues to exist ONLY if Congress actually votes to extend it.
That clause was put in the law to persuade nervous politicians to vote for it back in 1994.
Remember, in 1994 Slick Willy was still a popular Democratic president.
The Democrats controlled the House and the Senate.
Even with that control, the AW Ban passed by only three freakin' votes:
Two votes in the House, and Vice President Al Gore had to come down to the Senate to cast the tie-breaking third vote for this crap.
That's three freakin' votes with Democrats in control of all Congress and the White House.
The results of passing the AW Ban? Democrats lost control of both houses of Congress for the first time in 40 years!
And then they lost the White House.
Write your reps and senators and remind them of the political price of supporting the AW Ban.
Put mail pressue on those weasles. And send hand-written letters or postcards, not emails.
hillbilly
Like ajacobs said, the AW Ban does not have to be repealed.
As the AW Ban is written, it sunsets in September of 2004. The original law, as written, says the law ceases to exist 10 years from its original passage.
That means the law continues to exist ONLY if Congress actually votes to extend it.
That clause was put in the law to persuade nervous politicians to vote for it back in 1994.
Remember, in 1994 Slick Willy was still a popular Democratic president.
The Democrats controlled the House and the Senate.
Even with that control, the AW Ban passed by only three freakin' votes:
Two votes in the House, and Vice President Al Gore had to come down to the Senate to cast the tie-breaking third vote for this crap.
That's three freakin' votes with Democrats in control of all Congress and the White House.
The results of passing the AW Ban? Democrats lost control of both houses of Congress for the first time in 40 years!
And then they lost the White House.
Write your reps and senators and remind them of the political price of supporting the AW Ban.
Put mail pressue on those weasles. And send hand-written letters or postcards, not emails.
hillbilly
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i have heard in my modem whistlings that national Democratic Leadership Committee contributions towards any AWB are going to be predicated on the ability to pass an AWB in Maryland in March.
If it falls in MD, it goes quietly into the night
Passage in MD will be a gauge on the issues traction on a National level.
The AWB stops here.
If it falls in MD, it goes quietly into the night
Passage in MD will be a gauge on the issues traction on a National level.
The AWB stops here.
GlockHobbit
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Well, I just got a letter from my lefty Sen Landrieu that stated that she will not vote on any extension of the awban. If she is not gonna vote for it, I think we have a pretty good chance.
Poodleshooter
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My list:
Pin on brake/flashider for my HBAR
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16" lower with brake and a collapsible stock
Also a Romanian side folder for my SAR and more 10/22 mags than I know what to do with.
Prices on the used prebans should fall in most places. The interesting question for me is: Will companies cease or simply lower production of post ban models? They're only going to be salable in a few markets. Who's going to buy neutered ARs?
Also, I wonder how fast the magazine production will gear up? Particularly a question for those companies who make rarer or expensive magazines such as M1A 20rd mags,Thompson drums,etc. It might be nice to see Beta C Mags again,too.
Pin on brake/flashider for my HBAR
or
16" lower with brake and a collapsible stock
Also a Romanian side folder for my SAR and more 10/22 mags than I know what to do with.
Prices on the used prebans should fall in most places. The interesting question for me is: Will companies cease or simply lower production of post ban models? They're only going to be salable in a few markets. Who's going to buy neutered ARs?
Also, I wonder how fast the magazine production will gear up? Particularly a question for those companies who make rarer or expensive magazines such as M1A 20rd mags,Thompson drums,etc. It might be nice to see Beta C Mags again,too.
IMHO, the Republicans won't try to buy votes by favoring an extension. They know they'll lose many more than they'd gain. Why? Because Mr. and Mrs. Suburbia DON'T CARE. There are two groups in this fight: the banners and the pro gunners. The vast numbers in the middle mostly couldn't care less; that's why the Million Moms weren't. Most of these folks are the same save the whales, save the ferrets, save the etc. types that have to have a cause; any cause will do. They (except for those few leader types making a living at it) simply won't stay the course. That's why the VPC is funded almost entirely from one billionaire: there's no real grassroots support. The pro gunners, on the other hand, will stick and have in the past. We've cost some cushy Washington jobs and the Republicans and some Democrats realize it.
The leftists wouldn't vote Republican no matter what happens. The pro gunners will find a way to punish those who go agains them. That's the simple difference that most legislators understand.
To the original question: I'll be surprised if new prices change at all. I don't see how the inflated current "pre-ban" prices can hold up when you can buy the same rifle new for the same price as a current post ban, so I'd guess the used preban prices will fall pretty rapidly, as mag prices seem to be already.
The leftists wouldn't vote Republican no matter what happens. The pro gunners will find a way to punish those who go agains them. That's the simple difference that most legislators understand.
To the original question: I'll be surprised if new prices change at all. I don't see how the inflated current "pre-ban" prices can hold up when you can buy the same rifle new for the same price as a current post ban, so I'd guess the used preban prices will fall pretty rapidly, as mag prices seem to be already.
natedog
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The 1994 AW ban has nothing to do with machine guns. That is a common misconseption that is actually encouraged by the biased, liberal media groups (CNN). The '94 AWB deals with semi-automatic weapons (guns that require no manual action to cycle the action, and will fire one shot per trigger pull until the gun is empty) that had certain features, such as pistol grips, folding stocks, flash hiders, and bayonet lugs. These features do not add anything to the lethality of a weapon, and some items, such as bayonet lugs, do not have any recorded use in crimes. In fact, rifles, and specifically "assault rifles" are the least used weapons in crimes.
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I probably won't run out and put anything new on my 2 AR's after the ban sunsets because I'm happy with them in the present config, but some cheap 20 round mags would be nice.
I also can't wait to buy some cheap 25 round mags for my 10/22 and maybe they will make some high-cap mags for my Springfield XD 40.
I probably won't run out and put anything new on my 2 AR's after the ban sunsets because I'm happy with them in the present config, but some cheap 20 round mags would be nice.
I also can't wait to buy some cheap 25 round mags for my 10/22 and maybe they will make some high-cap mags for my Springfield XD 40.
I didnt think i would even care about when the ban sunsetted with regards to how it effected what i could own. But, after playing around with some friend's prebans i can definatly see the value in flash hiders. ESPECIALLY on a 16" carbine it makes a heck of a big defference.
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Everything will still suck here in California (except the weather).
Selfdfenz
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Sort of off the wall but periodically I see parts sets, military take-aparts I assume, for sale in SGN.
I seem to remember that SOG or one of the big parts houses has made those offers a few times. Prices were cheap and all you needed was a semi-auto receiver and the legal non-offending parts to build youself an AR.
Consider this:
As it stands now, there must be a rather large supply of said part sets out there and when Johnny comes marching home I bet the #'s will just get bigger. Right now they contain flashhiders, bayo lugs and possibly some other things that make them less attractive to builders.
When the AWB expiles, there will be little or no problem using any of the naughty parts that may be in those kits to built a new rifle to the extent they are usable and not the truely naughty automatic parts.
Wouldn't a big influx of those parts sets suppress the price of new post ban parts sets available for RR and the others, and thereby feedback to suppress prices on newly manufactured rifles?
Opinions? Lotta if's but....
Then again, I may not know what the h3ll I'm takling about and you won't find too many here on THR admit to that....
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I hope prices fall so's I can buy me one!!
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I seem to remember that SOG or one of the big parts houses has made those offers a few times. Prices were cheap and all you needed was a semi-auto receiver and the legal non-offending parts to build youself an AR.
Consider this:
As it stands now, there must be a rather large supply of said part sets out there and when Johnny comes marching home I bet the #'s will just get bigger. Right now they contain flashhiders, bayo lugs and possibly some other things that make them less attractive to builders.
When the AWB expiles, there will be little or no problem using any of the naughty parts that may be in those kits to built a new rifle to the extent they are usable and not the truely naughty automatic parts.
Wouldn't a big influx of those parts sets suppress the price of new post ban parts sets available for RR and the others, and thereby feedback to suppress prices on newly manufactured rifles?
Opinions? Lotta if's but....
Then again, I may not know what the h3ll I'm takling about and you won't find too many here on THR admit to that....
.I hope prices fall so's I can buy me one!!
S-
TX65
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IF (BIG IF) the AW Ban sunsets, Pre-Ban and Post-Ban will be meaningless and prices will be the same in the secondary market. (See quite a few people at the gun shows in Texas trying to unload their preban at inflated prices) As far as AR magazines, there is already an abundant supply of 20 and 30 round magazines on the market and they have gone through their big up and settle down.
The greater impact on price will be to magazines for the Ruger 10/22 and other arms that did not have the abundance of high capacity magazines out there.
However, more then likely, given the left leaning media, as the political conventions are over, there will be no declaration that Bush owns the election. To not create an issue, Bush will agree to sign an extension for 10 years of the current legislation with maybe a carrot for the NRA thrown in to not imflame them. Probably there will be some clarification of some aspects of the ban and hopefully some caveat that no new legislation can be introduced without this ban being declared unconstitutional to allow a complete study of it's effectivness to be determined and avoid the situation of the utopians trying to try to end run this law with another one.
Bush is of the opinion that these decisions should be left to the states and not the Feds (keeps from ticking his fellow Texans off by bowing to the whims of California).
The greater impact on price will be to magazines for the Ruger 10/22 and other arms that did not have the abundance of high capacity magazines out there.
However, more then likely, given the left leaning media, as the political conventions are over, there will be no declaration that Bush owns the election. To not create an issue, Bush will agree to sign an extension for 10 years of the current legislation with maybe a carrot for the NRA thrown in to not imflame them. Probably there will be some clarification of some aspects of the ban and hopefully some caveat that no new legislation can be introduced without this ban being declared unconstitutional to allow a complete study of it's effectivness to be determined and avoid the situation of the utopians trying to try to end run this law with another one.
Bush is of the opinion that these decisions should be left to the states and not the Feds (keeps from ticking his fellow Texans off by bowing to the whims of California).
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