Are Negligent Discharges Inevitable?

[matttric]

Then why do NDs continue to occur at every level of firearms ownership and professional firearms use?

Because people got careless. If you don’t intend to shoot, finger off the trigger, safety on (if applicable), drop the mag, clear the round, bolt open/slide locked back (if possible). Barring a malfunction, this prevents NDs.

And to think we used to joke about the Glock marketing team's "perfection" slogan. I was at a base in Iraq for a while and the clearing barrels coming in were taking regular hits. Here's a clue: NDs were happening, few would cop to actually having one, and it wasn't talked about. And in my second career, in spite of a superb team of certified LE firearms instructors (like me), we still had sporadic NDs. I guess we couldn't convince our officers that they weren't allowed to have NDs.

Not sure of the point you’re making here.

As I noted earlier in the thread, the topic of NDs always seems to bring the word "hubris" to mind. But I am happy we're bringing in new THR members with such stellar records of personal firearms safety!

Agreed, your hubris explains why you have NDs.

Ah, just no. Maybe like saying, if you drive long enough, eventually you may be involved in a vehicular collision.

No, not at all. How I wrote it was correct.

 

[Maver1ck]

I've never had a ND or AD, and think they are completely, 100% avoidable with the proper training and safety.

 

[rust collector]

If you have something new to address the original post, especially if you have personal experience or evidence to support your observation, this thread may have a future. If your response offers nothing new, we have likely done what we can in this thread and it is time to end it.

 

[Hokkmike]

Preventing an AD can be 100% possible. Be slow, deliberate, and methodical handling firearms. THINK THROUGH each step.

 

[Old Dog]

No, not at all. How I wrote it was correct.

Placing your answers within a quoted post hampers logistics in responding point by point...

"Because people got careless. If you don’t intend to shoot, finger off the trigger, safety on (if applicable), drop the mag, clear the round, bolt open/slide locked back (if possible). Barring a malfunction, this prevents NDs."
Well, my question was rhetorical, really -- did you read through the previous 6 pages of posts? But thank you for telling us how to prevent NDs.
Not sure of the point you’re making here.
My point is that if you were really deployed downrange, there were undoubtedly NDs occurring. After a while, particularly during periods of high op-tempo, there wasn't a big deal made of them so long as it was only clearing barrels taking hits. Not all of us were privileged to be in elite Army units with such a spectacular rate of success in preventing NDs. At any rate, I have seen some very high-speed professionals have brain-farts and an ooops moment.
Agreed, your hubris explains why you have NDs.
Did I say I have NDs? Um, no. But I have seen some folks who've said it could never happen to them, and guess what? It did. And as I said, I have seen some very well-trained personnel have NDs.

No, not at all. How I wrote it was correct.

My point was that most NDs don't result in injury of death, much like vehicle collisions -- not running someone over with a car, intentionally or inadvertently. Your analogy was inaccurate.

I've never had a ND or AD, and think they are completely, 100% avoidable with the proper training and safety.

Again, I'm so pleased we continue to have new members with such excellent personal records of gun safety joining our forum.

f you have something new to address the original post, especially if you have personal experience or evidence to support your observation, this thread may have a future. If your response offers nothing new, we have likely done what we can in this thread and it is time to end it.

Perhaps it is time to stick a fork in it...