are roll caps coming back?
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kbob said:
Although maybe not the same brand, long ago I bought some German roll caps for my kids to use.
They were extra loud but the paper backing on the caps was very thick & heavy compared to most caps.
That prevented many of them from going off in a Parris brand toy cap revolver which is a good revolver for roll caps.
And I don't believe that the spacing of the caps were the same distance apart as conventional roll caps either.
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MCgunner
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Mmm, damn, well, I'm glad I bought one when I could.
This could explain the negative opinions on that Amazon.com link. I don't think my '58 Remmy, '51 Navy, NAA Supercompanion, ROA or .31 pocket Remmy will have this problem.
kBob
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All this talk of caps is causing severe nostaligia. Of course I remember Greenie stick on caps and my last fanner bullets got stepped on and ruined in 1964, which was OK as the guns and holsters had been stolen by then. A good thing for I had acciedently shot my sister during a "gunfight" in the eye and got a sever beating.
Kid up the street had a Paris type muzzleloader that used either a single torn off paper cap or a greenie stick on that fit over a hole leading to the barrel. Popping the cap would launch the muzzle loaded cork ball in the barrel. There were safety vents to allow excess cap blast to vent to the air....naturally it too kus only a few minutes to figure that taping over them might increase velocity. This increased velocity resulted in increased range which allowed one to shoot one's sister in the eye with a cork ball at longer range which resulted in a severe beating.
I had a plastic 1911 that used a torn paper cap square in a holder in the chamber area to launch a plastic bullt that fit over a spigot type launcher concealed in the "barrel". I had a half sized Garand that was the same way. At a range of five feet these could baddly bruise a little sister's behind and result in a severe beating.
My dad had a Commander sized very realistic cap pistol he kept in his glove box and it did actually fool folks Dropping the thumb safety allowed the slide to be pulled back and the cap feed system popped out of the ejection port for loading.
The roll caps that gave me fits were the ones with holes in the strips between shots that were intended to go over a cog wheel meant to insure spacing. My plastic Thompson used them well for a few weeks then crud build up caused feed problems.
Oddest caps came with a Space Pistol in 1959 (and silver aluminum helment with mirroered visor, antennas and voice mitter, hey when you are five......) they were white and the explosive part wsa sqaure and took up almost the entire cap section with just a little room between the stuff and the edges and the stuff and the preferations. This meant alignment was not s critical until it got way off and then you got a double one or twice.
I liked the dart bombs. These were metal doohickies shaped like darts that had a heavy nose into which one fit a cap. Tossing this into the air over concrete allowed it to fall head first and set of the cap. You could also hurl these against other hard objects such as you Dad's garage if you did not mind a severe beating.
And yes we shot strike anywhere kithen matches from pump up air pistols at an angle on to concrete to light them.......if you do this so they fly off the car port in January in Florida you can cause a grass fire resulting in an interesting time stamping out the fire and ...oh yeah...a severe beating.
You know for some reason I think of my Dad's belt when I think of roll caps and kitchen matches memories.....
-kBob
Kid up the street had a Paris type muzzleloader that used either a single torn off paper cap or a greenie stick on that fit over a hole leading to the barrel. Popping the cap would launch the muzzle loaded cork ball in the barrel. There were safety vents to allow excess cap blast to vent to the air....naturally it too kus only a few minutes to figure that taping over them might increase velocity. This increased velocity resulted in increased range which allowed one to shoot one's sister in the eye with a cork ball at longer range which resulted in a severe beating.
I had a plastic 1911 that used a torn paper cap square in a holder in the chamber area to launch a plastic bullt that fit over a spigot type launcher concealed in the "barrel". I had a half sized Garand that was the same way. At a range of five feet these could baddly bruise a little sister's behind and result in a severe beating.
My dad had a Commander sized very realistic cap pistol he kept in his glove box and it did actually fool folks Dropping the thumb safety allowed the slide to be pulled back and the cap feed system popped out of the ejection port for loading.
The roll caps that gave me fits were the ones with holes in the strips between shots that were intended to go over a cog wheel meant to insure spacing. My plastic Thompson used them well for a few weeks then crud build up caused feed problems.
Oddest caps came with a Space Pistol in 1959 (and silver aluminum helment with mirroered visor, antennas and voice mitter, hey when you are five......) they were white and the explosive part wsa sqaure and took up almost the entire cap section with just a little room between the stuff and the edges and the stuff and the preferations. This meant alignment was not s critical until it got way off and then you got a double one or twice.
I liked the dart bombs. These were metal doohickies shaped like darts that had a heavy nose into which one fit a cap. Tossing this into the air over concrete allowed it to fall head first and set of the cap. You could also hurl these against other hard objects such as you Dad's garage if you did not mind a severe beating.
And yes we shot strike anywhere kithen matches from pump up air pistols at an angle on to concrete to light them.......if you do this so they fly off the car port in January in Florida you can cause a grass fire resulting in an interesting time stamping out the fire and ...oh yeah...a severe beating.
You know for some reason I think of my Dad's belt when I think of roll caps and kitchen matches memories.....
-kBob
BADUNAME30
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Great reading Bob.
And great good ole honest fun.
Did yer sister ever graduate into real guns ?
LOL
kBob
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She has an old High Standard Sentinal in .22 Mag for personal defense now. Once ran off a home invader with a .22 Remington semi auto rifle, and used to be good for 20 or better in 12, 20, and 28 with her over under, so I guess...yes.
-kBob
-kBob
MCgunner
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I went by HEB for some groceries. They had two packs left, so I bought 'em out. Seems like they move pretty good 'cause they had a bunch of 'em on that rack the other day. Hopefully, they'll keep 'em in stock. If not, I can always order 'em off Amazon, I suppose, but heck, I have 7,200 now if my math is right. That's probably going to do me for the rest of my life.
I'll have to check at TSC.
I'll have to check at TSC.
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Darts
Not something that you find any more is it?
Pete
Oh, yeah.....that brings back memories. The ones that I had were made of one of the poly plastics and shaped like a little rocket. The nose cone had a little plunger that rested against the caps when they were loaded in and the nose screwed back on. I can still remember the smell of the exploded caps when I picked the dart up to reload it.
Not something that you find any more is it?
Pete
Kaeto
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I had one of those cap bombs that was shaped like a pineapple style hand grenade.
kBob
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Gary,
Dad was generous to a fault as it were.
Kaeto,
About the time I got "too old for such things" a freind got one of those plastic grenades with the oh so hard and heavy cap poper on the bottom. We threw them at oneanother anyway even though they did not pop there was plenty of noise......"OWW! YOU LITLE&@#*%!!!!" I also had a training grenade that was solid cast iron with the handle a cast in part that featured a hole up on the fuze well part on the side and one centered in the bottom. It was supposed to be a WWII trainer that used a fire cracker dropped in the top hole to expell a cork from the bottom hole. This weighed slightly more than a real MKII. I threw it in the woods over soft dirt and tree litter and I guess it is still out there somewhere.
Our most creative and stupid I think looking back on it kid stuff was the creation of a muzzle loading musket of sorts using a Parris Kaydet "rifle". These wooden parade and drill rifes featured an always loaded bolt system (wooden cartridge on spring apeared anytime the bolt was open) and there was a shot section of nickle plated pipe with a front sight on it and a bayonet "lug" to hold on the rubber bayonet. ( ah for the days when we trained nine year olds to use a bayonet) There was a drain hole near the bayonet lug and we threaded a wire through this to pull the fuze of a fire cracker through it. Then we loaded with acorns, rocks or BBs to what we thought right, lit the fuze pointed the gun and followed through.
How we did not blow off a face or fingers I am not sure......
and if I had injured myself I would have expected a severe beating......
-kBob
Dad was generous to a fault as it were.
Kaeto,
About the time I got "too old for such things" a freind got one of those plastic grenades with the oh so hard and heavy cap poper on the bottom. We threw them at oneanother anyway even though they did not pop there was plenty of noise......"OWW! YOU LITLE&@#*%!!!!" I also had a training grenade that was solid cast iron with the handle a cast in part that featured a hole up on the fuze well part on the side and one centered in the bottom. It was supposed to be a WWII trainer that used a fire cracker dropped in the top hole to expell a cork from the bottom hole. This weighed slightly more than a real MKII. I threw it in the woods over soft dirt and tree litter and I guess it is still out there somewhere.
Our most creative and stupid I think looking back on it kid stuff was the creation of a muzzle loading musket of sorts using a Parris Kaydet "rifle". These wooden parade and drill rifes featured an always loaded bolt system (wooden cartridge on spring apeared anytime the bolt was open) and there was a shot section of nickle plated pipe with a front sight on it and a bayonet "lug" to hold on the rubber bayonet. ( ah for the days when we trained nine year olds to use a bayonet) There was a drain hole near the bayonet lug and we threaded a wire through this to pull the fuze of a fire cracker through it. Then we loaded with acorns, rocks or BBs to what we thought right, lit the fuze pointed the gun and followed through.
How we did not blow off a face or fingers I am not sure......
and if I had injured myself I would have expected a severe beating......
-kBob
Kaeto
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In my attic right now is one of those Hubley 'Colt 45' cap guns that looks like a gold and chrome Colt 1860.
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KBob,Thank You for for filling us in on your childhood memories.I laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes.
When I was at the gunshow this last weekend .On one of the tables a vendor had 4 or 5 cap guns and it put a smile on my face reminiscing in my mind about being a kid.
When I was at the gunshow this last weekend .On one of the tables a vendor had 4 or 5 cap guns and it put a smile on my face reminiscing in my mind about being a kid.
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Bet i was far stupider Bob.
When i was kid, 'round 8 er 10.
Some one in our group o' 5 er so freinds come up with a starter pistol.
WElll, someone had the bright idea, probably me, to dril it out and make a 'real' gun out of it.
So, we got us a drill, drilled out the Bbl and confidently loaded er up with 5 .22 LR's
After one of us worked up the nerve to try it out, it did not go off.
Soooo, of course confidence levels soared. Mmm..or was it stupidity soared lol
Anywho, we carried that thing around for weeks takin turns jist walkin around pullin the trigger. We aimed that thing at everything, and everyone we encountered and jist a kept pullin that trigger.
( Who payed attention to a kid with a 'toy' gun in the early sixties? )
One night, a big ole bread truck drove by and of course it imediately became a target of opportunity.
Can't recall who had in thier posession at the time but i recall that on the 2nd trigger pull that thing finaly went off.
Or should i say, it finaly exploded
Luckily it did explode into a jillion pieces and none of them, or the bullet hit that truck or the driver sittin in the open door.
The driver , nor anyone else was the wiser.
'magine somethin like that in today's world.
I did pay big time for it tho in the long run.
My best buddy, my dog that grew up with me was hit and killed shortly after by a car while chasin a rabbit 'cross that very same road.
I would have much rather got caught and got a...SEVERE beating.
On another note...i always wondered why those grenades had a hole in the side.
THey never told us why at the Army and Navy store when we bot 'em.
Kaeto
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I've currently got four training grenades and one expended smoke grenade sitting on my model building table. The fuse moving parts are all functional, but the fuses are expended. Two are WW II pineapple style one in the all yellow of the early war and one with the yellow band on the neck of the later part of the war. One Korean War issued type that had the smooth exterior. One 'Baseball' type like they issue now. Then the smoke canister type.
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Jim, I remember having one of those cast-iron, one-piece training grenades when I was a kid. I found some photos on Gunbroker -
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=300906590
I never knew why they were manufactured with the hole in the side.... good question.
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I had one of those Hubly's too. They had a two piece bullet that one part was full length of the chamber and a brass colored outer shell that fit over it half length so it looked like a real cartridge. There was a hole in the end of brass part. you put a cap on the end of the full length "bullit" and then slid the brass "cartridge case " over it and loaded them and fired. One of the most realistic and expensive cap guns of the day. I think mine cost $5.00 when you could get a regular cap gun was around $.99. I still wish I had mine as they are now collectors items. Also had the rolling block rifle with the shooting shells and Greenie Stickem Caps. I look at kids nowadays and I am sure glad I was born in '51.
Kaeto
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Currently one without it's box like mine sells for $75.00
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MCgunner, I tried out those "Legends of the Wild West" caps. I found that three caps loaded into a Tap-o-cap hull would set off the main charge of Goex 3Fg in a sidelock .41 derringer repro.
That guy in the Sham-Wow commercial was right - the Germans make good stuff!
Busyhands94
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I remember having a cap gun that looked a lot like an 1873 Remington, that was my favorite one. I remember I fired it in the house, my brother dropped the dime and I got in trouble. So I got the cap pistol back a few weeks later, and took it camping.
Now there was this really mean park ranger that was on our case for just about everything when we were there. Sidewalk chalk = graffiti. Cap guns on a beach made from NON FLAMMABLE sand = fire hazard.
I ended up leaving that cap gun on the table overnight, woke up the next morning, and like that it was gone.
I can't help but wonder if she made off with it. She does shoot at the same gun club, and I do have to deal with her sometimes. About once a month they close down the station parallel to the rifle/pistol range so LEO's can practice defensive shooting.
Now there was this really mean park ranger that was on our case for just about everything when we were there. Sidewalk chalk = graffiti. Cap guns on a beach made from NON FLAMMABLE sand = fire hazard.
I ended up leaving that cap gun on the table overnight, woke up the next morning, and like that it was gone.
I can't help but wonder if she made off with it. She does shoot at the same gun club, and I do have to deal with her sometimes. About once a month they close down the station parallel to the rifle/pistol range so LEO's can practice defensive shooting.
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Just look her straight in the eyes and ask her if she took it.
You'll know.
Busyhands94
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I hope she remembers and doesn't get all verbally abusive on me. Everytime she pulls up (usually late in the day when my friend Wade and I are the only ones out) we try to avoid her, usually diving behind the dumpster or something like that. It would be kinda funny if she actually held onto it this whole time and gave it back!
MCgunner
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Thanks for the input! I'm lookin' forward to using 'em up and buying more.
kBob
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The question now is has Jim had any nibbles on his WTB ads for a Tap-o-cap?
-kBob
-kBob
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