Are SIgs worth the price

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The only people who should be talking should be the ones who owned the following....... I stated why Sig isn't all cracked up and how the M&P line is better, no one even gave me a rebuttal?

Because nobody really cares.

Look, a gun's a tool. Buy the one that you use the best. If you shoot a Sig better than a Glock, buy a Sig. If you like M&P's better than Berettas buy an M&P.

The Sig is an aluminum framed pistol. The M&P is polymer. The triggers are very different. The feel of the guns are different. The three guns you listed- Sig 229, S&W M&P and Ruger SR9- are all quality guns from big companies that will probably be around a long time so parts and magazines will be available. You won't go wrong with any of them. But DON'T buy a gun just because you have heard on the Internet that it is better. A tool's only as good as the user!

I like Sigs but I have been using them a long time and I know how they feel, how they shoot, and where they hit in terms of sight alignment. I like the old "Made In Germany" Sigs especially the flded-slide P220 and P228. You can get a good factory CPO Sig 229 for under $600 and I know my local big gun store has LEO trade in P229-.40's for $500 that look new.

Good luck and I suggest trying out any gun before you buy it to see if it fits you.
 
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Sig Sauer "To Hell and Back Reliability"
I have never had a Sig Go Down in a Match.
Can not say the same for some other Mfgs.
Nothing wrong with the Ruger or the Smith, just depends on how you are going to use the Gun.

As far as LEO Turn Ins: I have had several over the years with no Issues.
One of my current Carry Guns is a is a LEO Turn In : Sig239 in 40S&W.
 
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I have no hands on experience with the M&P. I've had my share of other guns, always looking for the "Perfect" gun for me. These range from a Kel-tec to a Les Baer. I've owned several Sigs, German and US made. All I can say is none of the Sigs I've owned, not the 232, 228, 239, 220, all sold/traded, or my current 229 SAS purchased last summer, ever had a problem. Not one. It's the one I'd reach for in a life or death situation. Runner up would be my S&W 627. I have no brand loyalty, only loyal to ones that work flawlessly. My suggestion is try to figure out which one fits you, the one you shoot better, and the one that brings a smile to your face. Don't dwell on the cost if you can afford either.
 
Don't compromise when it comes to firearms. If you buy brand A because it was cheaper, and you had the resources to buy brand B, you'll always regret it.

If you're on a tight budget, Sigs might not be what you're looking for.
 
I own a two Sigs and I can honestly say unless you are worried about having a gun that looks nicer then they are not worth the money compared to guns such as the M&P line or Glocks. My Sigs sits in the safe for the most part except for a few occasional trips to the range whereas my less expensive Glock makes every trip to the range and is what I run in all of the classes I take. The Glock is my EDC that would never be replaced with one of my Sigs.
 
Someone back up the way stated that the 229R is not really suited for CC. I however use mine for just that and if not it then I rotate to my P6. My 229R was a CPO and is a very nice pistol and as I say I use it for CC everyday.
 
Alright people.

My 4 inch nail is better then your 4 inch nail ! Cool! lets have a driving contest you hit your 4 inch nail made of polymer and metal, and I'll hit mine thats made of all alluminim!
by Drako. Personally I wouldn't hit either. I've only have owned couple xds several glocks and 2 sigs, and a few s&w revolvers at this point, (that I kept!) in life and I wouldn't be scared to grab any of them to defend myself, family, or property. because I wouldn't own it if I didn't believe or trust it enough to deffend with it, My AR is a Rockriver DOD and My AR10 is a DPMS and I trust them both fully the only one of all my guns to never jam under abuse is my glocks, or the XD 45 yet, or the 686 S&W I do believe you get what you pay for and sigs are great guns. Just Remember!! No matter what happens do you trust your gun enough to bet your life on it, for 200.00 to 400.00. and if you say yes no matter what you own your good brothers! Just smile and be happy we still have them.
 
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I thought so back in the '80's, but now I'm not so sure.

In my experience they're well made and shoot consistently, but there are many more competitors nowadays that are just as well made and shoot just as consistently. I think the question should be: do you like the interface/manual of arms? Do you like a DA/SA pistol with a decocker? Do you like the feel of the grip, and its size? How do you feel about steel vs composites?

I have moved away from Sig pistols, but it's not because of cost or quality.
 
What's all this crap about SIGs being "pretty". What's pretty about flat black Nitron and flat black anodizing? What's pretty about flat black pebbled plastic grips? SIGs are about as pretty as a Glock, M&P and XD without being made with a polymer receiver. You can prettify one, but you can screw up any other good handgun by blinging it to death.

And how are SIGs so hard to carry concealed? People used to conceal honking big magnum revolvers and service automatics before the days of the wimpy-assed cute little pocket .380s that are now held so dear. Are people now so whiney and weak they don't think they can lift a gun made of metal or handle anything with adequate power?

Is a SIG worth more than an M&P or SR9? Is an H&K worth more than a SIG? Is a Korth? Is a hand-assembled, carefully fitted and custom designed 1911?

The only reason to buy a gun is because you like the way it functions for you. The only reason to keep a gun is because it continues to function for you and remains totally reliable. When all that comes together, the price you paid is meaningless because you have discovered the real value in the gun. If that's an M&P, SR9 or SIG, that's great--you have discovered what works best for you no matter what you had to paid for it.

And who really cares how much someone pays for their guns anyway? Is it anyone's business if somebody paid $400 for an SR9 or $4000 for a custom-built 1911 as long as the owner is happy with the gun?
 
I thought so back in the '80's, but now I'm not so sure.

In my experience they're well made and shoot consistently, but there are many more competitors nowadays that are just as well made and shoot just as consistently. I think the question should be: do you like the interface/manual of arms? Do you like a DA/SA pistol with a decocker? Do you like the feel of the grip, and its size? How do you feel about steel vs composites?

I have moved away from Sig pistols, but it's not because of cost or quality.

These are basically my thoughts exactly...

If you like the DA/SA and other ergos, and years ago when Sig was focused on quality instead of gimmicky "special editions" that jack up the price $200+ for no practical return, I would say (and did) go for it. Today... not so much.

If I had to carry a modern Sig today I would want the plain jane 229 (if they even still make it) or a 228 with a Nitroned slide.

I own or owned 226/.40, 228, 229ST, SP2022/9mm.
 
I think you are comparing apples to oranges since the M&P is a polymer frame gun while the P229 has a more expensive metal alloy frame. The Sig polymer frame gun is the SP2022 and is more comparably priced to the S&W. IF it is more expensive (probably not by much) yes I think it is worth the difference; but then you could guess my answer by my name

I am in 100% agreement with this post. The real comparison is not between the P229 and the M&P or SR9. It is between the SP2022 and the M&P or the SR9 or the Sig P250 and the M&P or the SR9 because of the materials used to make the pistols. This accounts for a lot of the difference in price. Plastic molded frames are a lot cheaper to manufacture than alum frames. That is the majority of the cost difference IMHO. I think it is more informative to compare polymers to polymers.

I personally like the SP2022 and it comes in cheaper these days than the S&W. I have not checked the price of a Ruger. The SP2022 can be had for $400 OTD. Is a great DA/SA polymer. The DA is a little long but it is smooth and breaks clean. The SA is on par with any other DA/SA gun. If you like DA/SA guns check this one out. Its a great value.

The Sig P250 is even cheaper. These can be had for $375 OTD. I personally do not like the P250. It is a DAO trigger that is excessively long and has a very long reset. I owned one for a short time. Was not impressed. The trigger is not to my liking and it does not have a great reliablity track record. So I would take a M&P or SR9 over it but if given the choice of a fourth I would more than likely excercise that.

I am not a huge fan of the M&P or the SR9 but that does not mean they are not decent guns. I have shot them and they just did not move me one way or another.

If you are comparing the P229 to the M&P or the SR9 part of the upcharge in price is the materials. If you prefer a metal gun then the cost which really should be about $200 to $250 is worth it because your personal preferences warrant it. I personally prefer the P228 over the P229. It balances better in my hands but that is because that is what I am used to not that one is necessarily better than the other.

In the end you need to choose for yourself using your subjective criteria. The other thing to point out is that the initial cost of the gun vs the ammo you are going to send down the pipe over its lifetime makes the $200 to $250 seem less signifigant. Remember 10,000 round of 9mm will cost you about $1800.00. :)
 
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Sig's still get my vote, but - compare

I am considering a Sig Sour 229 9mm what make it worth the extra 400.00 over a S&W M&P or a RugarSR9
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IF you pick out the right one, inspecting it inside and out, and it has a smooth DA pull and clean SA break, has Sig 3 dot night sights, and 2 mags - you'll own a gun that will go the distance *(with accuracy) and a CS service that I find, damn, good, live voices that answer the phones fairly quickly - and that is part of any gun purchase - their warranty and back-up, be it, parts, warranty, etc.

I've got an older Sig P229R CT 9mm before they changed hands *operations, and it has some 5600 flawless rounds thru her. It was my second, ever, handgun purchase nearly 6yrs back and I really had no idea "what to look for" back then, as I mention above, if you do, look and inspect for tightness/smoothness, best DA/SA trigger of the bunch, and take that one home.

I just found a NIB Sig P225n/r 9mm w/Sig 3-dot night sights and 3 mags, pure German, internal extractor, etc., and was thinking rather than layaway, which it is on, as I type, maybe sell my P229R 9mm, after all, of all my Sigs, it has the most slide rattle, - side to side both front and back but no movement up-wise- is tight and I thought, knowing what I know now, this isn't good, or the best, so I took it to the range yesterday putting some 50 rounds thru her without using CT laser/grips and then with them, at range, and either way, that gun is dead nuts accurate, so I can't sell her, no way, looks NIB, dead nuts accurate with or without laser and that single stacked mag, P225n/r 9mm is gonna be a bit longer to bring home as I plunk out 200 here, 200 more there, until it comes home - and I can't wait, but will..

They are worth it IF you find, and inspect, and pick a good one.. And do not be afraid to buy a, good, used one, maybe find a pure German one or early 90's up, one, non-railed, for 450 to 600, as that is how I got both my P229n/r 40's and they are worth every dollar "I saved" over any new P229R 40s at almost twice the price new and each of mine has over 7k rounds by me on them without any hiccups, accurate, oh yes, and they will keep on going and going for my lifetime, that I know/believe without doubts and will be passed on to family.

And my NIB, just bought 3 months ago, Sig P228n/r 9mm, pure German, standard hammer, standard, full size trigger (which I favor over the SRT type) Sig 3-dot night sights, 2 mags, no slide movement, nor the P229/40's (even used) nor my 5 1/2yr old P220R w/internal extractor (and no problems thru 1750 rounds) no slide movement - but I'll just put the 229R CT 9mm, and P220R, down to "good luck", "luck of the draw", whatever, but they work, keep on working and working, and the accuracy is "dependable" every shot, from the get-go, and are on-going accurate, very accurate and seem to get better all the way around the more ya shoot them.

New or used you'll come out a winner IMHO (picking the right gun)

OMMV,


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Thankyou all for your response. Im looking at 800.00 to 900.00 for the Sig and the S&W for 550.00 the Rugar 450.00. thats not shopping around much. This will not be used for carry I use Rugar sp101 revolver for that.
 
I saw lots of references to the S&W M&P. Another point of debate and the real kicker for me is that the M&P has that stupid little take-down lever in the magwell area. You have to use the little tool in the backstrap or something small and pointed to reach in there and flick it out. It's a little tiny piece of metal and just looks flimsy.

For the SIG, lock back the slide and rotate the takedown lever. The slide comes right off, and no "tools" are required.

Have you tried releasing the slide by pressing down the slide lock lever on the M&P? It's damn near impossible with one thumb. Many might say that you can just release the slide by pulling back on it, but if time is the essence you are going to be MUCH faster if you can use your thumb. It's already in position.

Also, if you haven't actually tried shooting the M&P, go try it. The trigger bends! It's supposed to be similar to the Glock "safe action" trigger, but it's got so much flex that it feels more like squeezing a sponge than a trigger.

The M&P is just uninspiring. The SIG is worth every penny. Yes, the special editions are more expensive, but they don't offer you much more beyond the SRT trigger. You're better off from a price perspective to buy a base model SIG and have the upgrades you want done later.

If you don't like traditional double action pistols, that's fine. But that doesn't mean it's not worth the cost. Details aside, the construction difference between the two manufacturers is night and day difference. Don't get all upset about it either. It is what it is.
 
I'm only comparing my M&P to the Sig because i have shot a bunch and before i ever dreamed of a glock i wanted a p239 SAS or a p228 or a sig pro. Got the m&p over them, you dont see too many sigs running ISPC matches at full speed. That being said theres a ton of great guys who do amazing work to fix the trigger that bends. I mean it does flex a little bit but i'm still able get a 2" group at 7 yards no problems, along with my girlfrien (her first time shooting)!


But since were comparing apples to oranges poly to steel lets do this

p250 vs M&P 9c

I know cops carry m&p's not 250's lol
 
In the opinions of some, they are, to others they aren't. Each of us will, "pay their money and take their choice"
 
"I'm looking at 800.00 to 900.00 for the SIG and the S&W for 550.00 the Ruger 450.00."

Depending on the model SIG, you should be able to beat those prices. I recently bought a new P229 SAS w/night sights and a few other goodies for just over $700 from an online store. Locally, a basic P229 w/o night sights was going for over $1000 when sales tax was included. It pays to be patient and shop around.
 
p250 vs M&P 9c

I know cops carry m&p's not 250's lol

You choose your gun based on what a cop carries? That cracks me up. I hate to break it to you many cops are not shooters. Have you ever bought a used LEO gun? They are carried often shot very little. Many of the cops I know shoot once a year to qualify.

You like the M&P line that's great. To me its a jack of all trades master of none. What you find so cool about it I find middleling. I think you show your bias when you state that the P229 is not a carry gun. Been carrying a P228 which is the same size as the P229. You might not to carry it but hate to break it to you lots of people do.
 
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Sounds like you made the right choice for you... I hate to break it to you but ergonomics are subjective. Do you shoot with my hands? Do you have my personal shooting experience? If you don't how can you speak to what works for me ergonomically.

The reality is that you cannot. Your subjective personal ergos only apply to you 100%. Depending on the variables they may be meaningless for anyone but you.

LEO usage is not a great gauge of a guns value. 99% of the time the gun an LEO carries on duty was not chosen by them but instead was chosen by a bean counter who chose the lowest bidder that met the spec. S&W has done a good job of creating a gun which can compete price wise with Glock. That is the reason they are in LEOs hands not because they were the best choice.
 
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Sounds like you made the right choice for you... I hate to break it to you but ergonomics are subjective. Do you shoot with my hands? Do you have my personal shooting experience? If you don't how can you speak to what works for me ergonomically.

Your right i don't shoot with your hands. But thats okay because the M&P line comes with interchangeable palmswells ...... :banghead:

I have owned and shot

Sig
Kel-tec
Glock
Ruger
Colt
ETC

I found the m&p and was fixed on buying it before i ever shot it. Took it out the range first time the bullets were going through the same HOLES! I also took my girlfriend out for her first time she was also putting holes through holes. I was able to give her the bigger palmswell because she has bigger hands. I want to see sig do that!

For the price and purpose i go with the m&p

Who wants to carry around a bunch of metal that isn't going to get deployed 99% of the time. The only sig model that would appeal to me would be the p290 but for there price they can take a walk. What sig model has the weight and the price that the m&p has? They dont............
 
When a certain weapon fits the hand like no other .40 DA autopistol in the world, and one HAS to carry a .40 DA autopistol as a primary duty handgun, or go find another job, then yes, a SIG is worth it; P229 or P226, in my case. If not for the job, I might not own SIGs, but then, perhaps I would. (We buy our own, a normal trend for Texas PDs; it helps keep local taxes lower, with the nice consequence of allowing us more latitude, in many cases, in choosing our weapons.)

Actually, I don't have a choice of any DA .40 in the world, really being limited able specified .40 pistols from S&W, Glock, SIG, and SAI, but a P226 or P229 is best for me, regardless. I would carry a P229 if it cost ten times as much as a Glock or XD, because of fit and handling issues. I might be able to tolerate an S&W M&P, but it was not yet on the market at the time I had to make the choice.

I did carry a G22 on duty for a while, because of the dollar factor compared to SIG. I spent mucho dinero on ammo, trying to shoot it to the level I could shoot a 1911 or DA revolver, my previous duty handguns. Then, I coughed up the necessary funds for a P229R DAK, and have not looked back. I soon was shooting a P229 as well as I had ever shot a 1911, and eventually, virtually as well as I can shoot a DA sixgun.

To quantify this, I was doing well to shoot a 90 with a G22, and before my eyes really went bad a few months ago, could shoot mid-90s with a 1911, revolver, or SIG. This score is on my PD's fast-paced duty qual course, which is as much a factor of gun handling and efficiency as marksmanship.

I am a big believer in buying a gun that fits the hand, and points well, naturally. Even if one always used only sighted fire, a natural pointer is ahead of the game when things speed up on a range with timed turning targets, and by extrapolation, on the street, where bad guys don't just stand there and let themselves be shot. So, yes, for me, SIG is worth it.

My five present P229s were made in the 2004-2008 time frame, and have been 100% reliable. Another P229, made earlier, only choked when I tried a type of lube that dries after a while, to a film that is supposed to still lubricate. I went back to oilier/greasier lubes, and no mas problemas. (I later researched this, and sure enough, the SIG experts only recommend grease and oils, not the dry-type lubes, for SIG slide rails.)

My 1990-ish P220 worked 100%, except for a batch of off-brand ammo with case mouths that flared a bit. This ammo would not work in ANY of my other .45 pistols, either. I think I gave it to a guy with a reloading press, who could fix the case mouths. At the time I bought this P220, SIGs were not so comparatively expensive, just a slight premium over USA-made autos.

FWIW, I can shoot DAK and DA/SA SIGs just fine. I train more with the DAKs, because on the training range, the instructors make us de-cock when a target turns away, and when we change positions. It is simpler to not have to finger-diddle the decocker so often. I am, therefore, more skilled with DAK at this time.

I am NOT a fanboy for any brand. I like efficient tools that fit my hands. A big part of me still wants to tote a 1911 on duty, or even a K-frame sixgun. I would rather tote several other rifles, but an AR15 is what my chief specifies, so I have an AR15, and may buy a spare soon. My Canon 7D camera was not cheap, either, but I liked its features enough to buy it, rather than a less expensive 50D. I so very much WANTED Glocks to fit me; for a couple of years, I was immersed in trying to make them work for me. (FWIW, neither of the G22 pistols I carried was 100% reliable. One needed heavier magazine springs than the factory springs made at that time, and one had a slide latch that would activate prematurely with 180-grain ammo; both fixable, but so much for "Glock perfection." :banghead: )

To be clear, I am not trying to convert anyone to SIG. It is one of quite a few good brands. Choose what fits, and what performs well, on an individual basis. :)
 
To be clear, I am not trying to convert anyone to SIG. It is one of quite a few good brands. Choose what fits, and what performs well, on an individual basis.

Well stated!
 
Sigs are like everything else, it just depends on your needs and wants.

I have a SIG 239 that I shoot better than almost anything I own, it's been rock solid reliable for 12 years now and I would pay $1000 for it if I knew I'd get another as good.

I had a SIG 226 that I hated for any number of reasons and I sold it at a loss just to get rid of the thing. I had FTFeed problems with it, the finish was not so hot, and I just generally didn't like it.

They can make a quality product and they can have some duds too (Mosquito).

They all pick the Glock for some reason........................... I WONDER WHY!!!!!!!!!!

Well, let's be real honest here too. Glock has some of the best LE price discounting in the industry, far and away. That skews things as much as quality of the firearms.

My father in law, who was a deputy in Colorado, bought a Glock sight unseen having never fired one simply because it was the cheapest on the approved list at his department :) Turns out he loved it, but price led him to it not reputation.
 
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