"arsenal" discovered/confiscated in New Jersey

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If police usually or often exceed their lawful authority where you live I suggest you contact the FBI as they often make civil rights cases against LEOs.
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It would appear when a person has been given reason to believe the LEO's have their own agenda, calling the FBI in would be akin to asking wolves to protect you from coyotes. Between Ruby Ridge and the Pine Ridge it seems unlikely that particular agency would be responsive.
 
Weapons cache seized from ex-cop's Gloucester County home
by The Associated Press
Thursday January 29, 2009, 2:22 PM
Nearly 260 firearms and 500,000 rounds of ammunition were seized by state police from a four-acre site owned by a former Vineland police officer.

Two troopers went to Brian Hinkel's home in Franklin Township (Gloucester County) Monday as part of an investigation into a burglary that occurred in Salem County on Jan. 22.

After telling Hinkel they wanted to take him back to their offices for further questioning, the 59-year-old man asked if he could get a jacket inside his home. Hinkel allegedly got a loaded handgun instead but was soon subdued.

Hinkel was charged with three count of aggravated assault on a police officer and later released on $10,000 bail. He did not immediately respond to a telephone message left today, and it was not known if he had retained a lawyer.

The ammunition and weapons were found during a subsequent search of the site.




oh no! the black helicopters are coming! not

sounds like hes knew he was nailed and made another very poor decision
 
State police say an investigation into two recent burglaries in Salem County led them to the property on Monday.

That’s when police say they encountered the homeowner, 59-year-old Brian Hinkel, a former Vineland Police Officer.

“He tried to slam the door on our detectives and we were able to follow him into the house. He ran into the kitchen and grabbed a loaded handgun off the kitchen counter and our detectives were able to disarm him at that point and place him under arrest,” explained Sgt. Stephen Jones with the State Police.

Hinkel was charged with assaulting a police officer.

Authorities say several guns were visible in the house. After getting a warrant, a full-fledged search began on Tuesday and continued into Thursday.
oh no sounds like.....

wait for it .......



due process
 
Jeez.....A half MILLION rounds of ammo.....That's an awful lot of ammunition to just "have". I can see a few thousand rounds, even 10,000 rounds. But to have a half million rounds of live ammo in your possesion, while legal, is going to make you look really bad, and be hard to defend. I mean, that's more ammo than probably most Police Deparments have on hand, Guard Armories don't even keep that many rounds on hand. The 250 guns aren't that staggering, there are probably many collectors in the U.S. with larger collections. But all that ammo....to me, it suggests an ulterior motive.
 
State police say an investigation into two recent burglaries in Salem County led them to the property on Monday.

That’s when police say they encountered the homeowner, 59-year-old Brian Hinkel, a former Vineland Police Officer.

“He tried to slam the door on our detectives and we were able to follow him into the house. He ran into the kitchen and grabbed a loaded handgun off the kitchen counter and our detectives were able to disarm him at that point and place him under arrest,” explained Sgt. Stephen Jones with the State Police.

Hinkel was charged with assaulting a police officer.

Authorities say several guns were visible in the house. After getting a warrant, a full-fledged search began on Tuesday and continued into Thursday.
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The report is thin on needed facts. But the two parts which I have placed in bold type focus on two issues.
Apparently, the detectives were led to the property from what they learned during their investigation of two recent burglaries. It also seems logical that the detectives did not have a warrant for either an arrest or a search of the premises when they first arrived to interview anyone at the property. The story clearly says "After getting a warrant, a full-fledged search began on Tuesday and continued into Thursday."

Did they have probable cause to pursue the man into the residence? Maybe, we don't have that information. It seems probable that they asked the guy some questions about the burglaries they were investigating and his attempt to slam the door could be seen as probable cause. Once lawfully inside anything in plain view can be used in getting a search warrant. Also, the arrest of the subject inside the house lends weight to the judge or magistrate issuing a search warrant.
 
I don't know what all they had to lift with a fork lift, but the way I read it, it was gun powder. I'll tell you all that I wouldn't want that much gun powder next to my house.
 
Interesting.... given the conflict in the different stories, which may seem trivial but are in fact quite integral, all I can say is I hope he goes to prison for a long long time if he was funding/arming/buying stolen arms (or the such).... and I hope the cops get busted to toilet scrubbing prisoners if they, in fact, violated his rights...
 
funny about excops and ammo the guy i bought my first house from vaporized a wing of his new house and even after the blast they found that much ammo plus some c-4 some machine guns and a general cornucopia of stuff. he was in the wing that went bang so he wasn't charged
 
I really hate the word "arsenal", it kind of assumes that the person is stockpiling weapons for criminal intent (at least to me anyway).

I cringe a little bit inside when people make threads with the title "Show off your arsenal!"

I consider the firearms honest people accumulate their collection.
 
Most of the facts have not been posted in the newspaper articles. There is much more to the story. He came into play through a chance bit of information given by the owner of a trailer rental company which connected him to the actor in question wanted by the State Police.

The articles do not come close to the actual events.

Anyone with half a brain would think he was getting ready to ship out a large shipment of asomething. Any judge would issue a warrant under these instances.
 
“He tried to slam the door on our detectives and we were able to follow him into the house. He ran into the kitchen and grabbed a loaded handgun off the kitchen counter and our detectives were able to disarm him at that point and place him under arrest,” explained Sgt. Stephen Jones with the State Police.
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The police are allowed to secure the area around a suspect for safety purposes. If the suspect moves, he increases the area that the police are able secure. When this guy ran through the house and put himself in the vicinity of these firearms, the police had the right to secure them. That, along with already being a suspect for burglary, and other things not mentioned, gave the police enough PC for a warrant.
 
not a very smart feller. or i did wonder is he on a lotta meds for his disability? i've seen that lower a persons effective iq considerably
 
with half a million rounds of ammo, he mustve been one of those survivalists waiting for the scifi zombie apocalypse...:scrutiny:
 
I can't believe this line has gone without mention. I can't imagine how one would word this to make it any LESS useful to readers. It's nearly an instant classic.

State police seized what they think is the largest cache of firearms and ammunition most of them have ever seen.
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Emphasis added.

I'm imaging a bunch of overweight and underweight Jersey boys in blues standing in a circle as this all winds down:

Joe: "I think I saw one bigger one time maybe in '87, but maybe I just imagined it."

Frank: "Nah. I think maybe I remember that too. It was pretty big but I don't think this big. Maybe almost as big. Whadda ya think Larry?"

Larry: "Yeah, this one was pretty big. Bigger than most. Dunno 'bout the biggest."

Joe: "Sure, sure. This one sure was a good size. A good size for sure."
 
After telling Hinkel they wanted to take him back to their offices for further questioning, the 59-year-old man asked if he could get a jacket inside his home. Hinkel allegedly got a loaded handgun instead but was soon subdued.
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“He tried to slam the door on our detectives and we were able to follow him into the house. He ran into the kitchen and grabbed a loaded handgun off the kitchen counter and our detectives were able to disarm him at that point and place him under arrest,” explained Sgt. Stephen Jones with the State Police.
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Okay, which one is it? Sounds like two different stories.
 
Hi Chaingun

That's an awful lot of ammunition to just "have". I can see a few thousand rounds, even 10,000 rounds. But to have a half million rounds of live ammo in your possesion, while legal, is going to make you look really bad, and be hard to defend.
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Hmmm, so where is that defining number that separates hobby shooting and 'hard to defend?' I have over a thousand stuffed koala bears, does that make me 'look bad?' My brother keeps 300 head of cattle and six dogs, should he be made to defend his choice? My late uncle used to keep American bison - animals far more destructive than a bullet, does that mean he was a threat to the peace and dignity of the state for his choice?

What bothers me most about stories like this is the fact people manage to obsess over what the guy has while overlooking very little has been said about what he has done.
 
Another one of those lousy media reporting stories.

Very few important facts and more hype and hysteria seem to be the point of the article.

I have absolutely no idea what this guy did wrong. The media report, as usual when it comes to firearms, is abysmal.

They say he ran from the police but don't say if they were plain clothes policemen, etc. Just another horrible firearms article by the anti-gun media IMHO.

These were detectives, who aren't uniformed usually are they? So, geez, maybe the guy thought he was being robbed. Of course, finding out this fact is too much to ask for when it comes to the anti-gun media IMHO.
 
To throw my 2 cents in, I really dislike when the immediate tone of the thread goes tin-foil hat-ish and anti-police. Secondly if there was enough gun powder as to need a forklift then that is beyond common sense and creates an unsafe situation. Its okay to have a gas can of gasoline in a shed, where if something goes wrong only your shed is in danger, its a whole other thing to have enough that if theres a problem you set off a house leveling boom. The number of guns doesn't sound at all incriminating however the fact that the detectives were led there during an investigation and then when they asked the suspect to come with them he retreated and got a loaded weapon makes me think that all in all, there was something wrong. I know there is a certain political climate that goes with such things and that we are often forced to look at things from ONLY the black and white of the law...but I think we often forget to stop playing Monday Morning Lawyer and just look at the circumstances...we're so worried that there was a rights infringement that we stop asking ourselves if the situation wasn't foul. Also, if the man was a former LEO as the article states, he would be familiar with detectives (plain clothes or not, and both articles let on that there was conversation before the confrontation) and would know the chase would be on the instant he made the move to slam the door/go for the gun.
 
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There are some things about his story that I don't understand. If he was suspected in burglaries, why is the guns and ammo issue such a big deal? So what he has a lot of guns and a lot of ammo...Does that link him to the burglaries?

Forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but is there a law about how much ammo and guns a man can have? I don't really give a damn about these kinds of things, so maybe there are laws pertaining to this?

It just feels like this is the same old media B.S. and that this guy is going to be crucified, based on something that has nothing to do with the original crime(s).

And what "motives" would he have? A LOT of us have over two, three, four thousand rounds of ammo (probably some have more). Do you all have alternative "motives"??!!
 
some folks should read all the articles


There are some things about his story that I don't understand. If he was suspected in burglaries, why is the guns and ammo issue such a big deal? So what he has a lot of guns and a lot of ammo...Does that link him to the burglaries?

ummm because when he went for his coat he slammed the door and then tried to go for a gun?
 
I know...but the "arsenal" took up the FIRST HALF of the story. Obviously, that is the main subject of the story.
 
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