Art Museums and guns don't mix!

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So the GF and I went to the Baltimore Museum of Art today, as she wanted to see a textiles exhibit by someone named William Morris (I teach her about guns and RKBA, she enlightens me about art!).

I start to get out my money to pay, and she says (accidently in her outside voice), "No, let me get this, you always pay when we go to the gun range."

Well, the 40 year old lady behind us in line let out an audible "ohh", and I thought the rest of the people in line were either going to hightail it to the exit or holler "SECURITY!". The poor teenager who sold us the tickets had her hands shaking.

Later the poor GF tried to apoligize, but I explained that that was the precise point: our Constitution says we shouldn't feel we have to apologize for mentioning "guns" in public. Even in an art museum in uber-liberal Baltimore.

(I didn't quite "get" the textile display BTW, but I learned some cool history of how they printed stuff in the late 1800's. Open mind always helps!)
 
LOL

Next time I go to a museum I'm going to have the wife do the same thing on purpose ... just to cheese off the libs :p

Although this is Colorado Springs, so there's always a good chance that nobody will think anything of it.
 
Ah, frightening sheeple, the sport of free men. ;)

Sigh.

I remind myself never to lower my voice, nor raise it, when discussing guns in public. On the few occassions I've gotten a reaction, I just smile reassuringly and say something along the lines of "relax, I'm one of the good guys" or something else to demonstrate normality. It generally works.
 
On the occasion that my wife and I are discussing guns or a shooting related subject I never attempt to change the tone of my conversation. And should I hear some sort of reaction from anyone, I ignor them. My conversation with my wife about a legal subject is nothing I will make apologies or excuses for. And I especially do not feel that I need to tell the reactionary that I am one of the good guys. If they choose to over react, that is their problem, not mine.
 
In highschool one of my (good) teachers invited his classes to his house for
a Q and A with a British major who was a veteran of the battles with the IRA in Northern Ireland.

As I sat down the kids began reading peace poems attacking the british for
what they have done to the poor freedom fighters and innocent people.

I was never told of this plan to ambush the poor guy who seemed generally taken aback that he was misled into this verbal attack session.

He tried to defend himself and change the subject but he was made very uncomfortable and was taken to the edge of his English good manners.

Generally pissed off, I interjected that I thought this was a Q & A not a
kangaroo court and started asking questions about the weaponry and tactics they use when confronting terrorists and militant IRA murderers.

You should have heard the gasps and clucking of tongues.

I went on to say I supported policy of not negotiating with terrorists
and I was proud of the job they were doing.

The major was given a brief respite with my redirection and I had derailed the runaway peace train. After that the rest of the kids poems were barely audiable and were generally drowned out by the mumbling about what had just transpired.

Since the teacher and kids were against this guy and had tricked him
I was given the task of taking the major back to Lackland AFB where he was getting advanced training.

I apologized for my classmates, he said it was nothing and we had a nice
conversation all the way to the base.

Speaking up when outnumbered sometimes pays off.
 
The word "gun" must sure be scary...

Your initial post reminds me of the time I was at UPS, sending off a shotgun someone had purchased from me. The counter rep asked me what was in the package, and I replied ""A shotgun"

The (real) little old lady behind me in line actually gave out with a scream when she heard the word "shotgun" I merely looked at her and said - "It's not going to hurt you"...
 
I was at the store picking up a few thing. So i walk over and start look at gun magazine. One of the mag has a Barrett 50 BMG on the cover. So i put in the cart and go to pay. The girl starts ringing thing up and see the magazine.

The Girl: Can you buy that?

Me : Yes:rolleyes:

The Girl: What is it for?

ME: It for stopping TANKS:D

You should have seen her face:what: and the other people in line.:what:

I smiled and left.:evil:


I LOVE SCARING THE SHEEP:neener:
 
I was going to a shooting camp, and so I had my M1A and pump shotgun in my big OD green rifle case. I was waiting in like at the check-in counter at American Airlines...

I asked for the paperwork, filled it out, and proceeded to slip the paperwork into the rifle case, "I have to inspect if what you listed is true and accurate" the lady behind the counter said to me.

"Are you sure you want me to start taking out my guns at the airport lady?"

I asked..

She turned green. What did she think I was carrying????!!??

"Err.. that's ok then I guess.." and she handed me a little tag that said "inspected"..

The lady behind me freaked out..

"That man has a gun... in that case??" she said out loud.. "3 of them actually, a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol". I replied..

She was about to scream.. when her boyfriend started to ask me, "Whatcha got?"

M1A, a Browning pump shotgun, and a Steyr M40. I replied..

"Cool, I love the M1A's!! Pa use to have an M14!! Hey, I wonder who's got Pa's M14 now?? Man, I should go get it from mom.."

The lady freaked out again "You are pro gun??"

"What, you are an anti??" The man replied..

They started to argue, I think I broke up the happy couple that day..

:neener:
 
This isn't so much a story of scaring the sheeple as it is of me nearly altering my behaviour because of what the sheeple might think.

When I sold a .22 rifle a few weeks ago the buyer and I arranged to meet in the parking lot of a restaurant between our homes. Knowing that antis are pretty easy to freak out, and once freaked out tend to whine for greater restrictions on liberties, I discussed with the buyer how to make the transaction as discreet as possible. He volunteered to bring a blanket that we could throw over the rifle (which was already in a soft case), and I agreed.

Just before I pulled up to the restaurant better judgement overcame me. As he began to get out the blanket, I stopped him, saying "if we're not doing anything illicit, there's no reason for us to act like we're doing anything illicit". Let any antis in the area think what they will - I pulled the rifle out of my truck and he carried it around to the back of his.

It felt good to let any suspicions be the problem of the suspicious.
 
It's a sad state of affairs when you can walk down a busy street and hear people say f**k in the course of their normal conversations but a hush falls if someone says the word 'gun' in anything but a fierce condemnation. :uhoh:
 
It's a sad state of affairs when you can walk down a busy street and hear people say f**k in the course of their normal conversations but a hush falls if someone says the word 'gun' in anything but a fierce condemnation.

Yep, unfortunately its gone that far.

The question is, can we get it back?
 
My wife is a photographer and art history student at Purdue. So I have to rub elbows with the art scene a good bit. Fortunately, I've been able to make most of them understand the firearm thing. Patience is key...
 
Recently I had my eyes checked by a doctor at KPMC. He had about 15 model WW2 aircraft hanging from his ceiling. We talked airplanes a couple of minutes and then he examined my eyes. I told him that at one time in my life i was better with a handgun in my left hand than the right. I told him my rght eye was dominate. He started talking about his shooting experience like it was the most natural thing in the world.

When I was a kid I knew an optomitrist and his two sons who always went out to my granddads place each year to helpeliminate ground squirrels with the aid of scoped rifles. The boys became optomitrist just like their dad and also kept up their shooting abilities. Maybe being in Wyoming made a differance to some degree.

When I used to travel for my office I would always carry a firearms related magazine with me to read on the plane. It was interresting to see the various responsees from total indifference to someone start looking at me as if I had two heads or something. One time in the 70s I was made an honorary air marshall for the flight and placed in first class. I usually had to check my handgun in a locked case but the captain wanted me up front. I made sure my firearm was in my locked suitcase when I returned home.

:cool:
 
Oh for the days when guns were "normal" and gunners could converse freely without fear of being ostracized.
 
Who says guns and art muems don't mix?

Our local (Minneapolis) art museum had a show called "Three Centuries of Tradition: The Renaissance of Custom Sporting Arms in America"

The local paper, the Star Tribune, carried this less-than-flattering review.

Review: Gun show at Minneapolis Institute of Arts misfires
Should you be naive enough to imagine that the 65 guns now on view at the Minneapolis Institute of Arts are really just fancy-pants decorative art -- as the museum's promotional materials claim -- the gun sights will set you straight.

Angle your head just right and you can peer through the gleaming telescopic sight on the 1987 "American bolt-action rifle, Mauser" or the 1999 "American single-shot sporting rifle, Hagn action" and line up an imaginary target in the cross hairs.

You're probably not supposed to do that, because the show is framed as an exercise in history and aesthetics. You're supposed to be musing about the guns' marvelous craftsmanship and admiring the single shot's "temper-blued express sight with gold lines and a Schmidt and Bender telescopic sight in a custom-made quick detachable mount."

Behind the grandiose title -- "Three Centuries of Tradition: The Renaissance of Custom Sporting Arms in America" -- lurks a gun show, pure and simple. The guns date from the 1660s to today, and were custom-made for clients ranging from French royalty to contemporary collectors. Recent decades have seen a renewed interest in custom-made guns that's similar to the handicraft revival permeating everything from musical instruments and furniture to clothing and jewelry.

Some of the early guns are indeed beautifully ornamented, with gold and silver inlays and fine carving typical of 17th-and 18th-century furniture -- not surprising, because the same artisans often made furniture and weapons. The bulk of the show, however, has no such aesthetic appeal, and quickly deteriorates into a gloomy display of killing tools.

Most of the guns were intended for shooting game animals, birds or spinning clay discs, and there is something deeply unsettling about encountering so many of them in an art museum. There is, of course, a long tradition of art museums displaying weapons and armor as part of their medieval and Renaissance collections, notably in New York, Chicago and Philadelphia. The Minneapolis museum recently added a couple of fancy early guns to its Baroque gallery, where they sit uncomfortably amid the tapestries and paintings.

Such collections are mostly holdovers from the late-19th and early-20th centuries, when rich Americans bought antique armaments in admiration of European culture and history. The "Centuries" show expands on that tradition with contemporary pieces, including some by gunsmiths affiliated with Colonial Williamsburg.

The show is, in other words, impeccably grounded in cultural history and museum practice. Even so, it feels wrong in both time and place. Minnesota's recent gun-law changes make the museum look especially hypocritical. Like most cultural organizations, it bans guns and displays signs to that effect at each entrance. Yet the show celebrates and fetishizes certain types of guns: rich people's.

The exhibition, which the museum organized, was in the works long before the new gun law was passed, but the debate about the role of guns in American life is age-old. For an art museum to start buying and showing guns -- even beautifully crafted, historically resonant models -- can be read only as an endorsement of gun culture. That's both unnecessary and offensive.

Violent double-take

By coincidence, nearby Walker Art Center is showing an exhibition of art about boxing: contemporary paintings, photos, sculptures and installations that offer various perspectives on another violent sport. The differences between the shows are significant.

The Walker's show is a nuanced meditation on many aspects of boxing, including the racial and socioeconomic tensions inherent in a sport whose champions are often economically deprived blacks battling before affluent white audiences. While some of the Walk er works play up the racial, sexual and erotic charge that courses through boxing, the sport's exploitative undercurrents are equally evident. That complexity makes the Walker's show an exemplary presentation that both informs and challenges viewers to reexamine a controversial subject.

The institute's gun show, by contrast, is nothing more than celebratory propaganda hiding behind a thin veneer of historical gimcrackery. To take the most obvious example, it touts the talents of contemporary gunsmiths but says not a word about the Eurocentric classism inherent in a blood sport whose chief practitioners are rich white men. In Britain today, such traditional blood sports as fox hunting pit rural against urban voters and raise screaming newspaper headlines. No such brouhahas cloud the sunny days of happy shooting at the institute.

There are plenty of places where a historical gun show could be contextualized so it made more sense: Colonial Williamsburg; a Western Americana museum; a hunting museum. This show's heavy emphasis on contemporary guns catapults it into the current political debates and makes the Minneapolis museum appear to be a pawn in the gun lobby's maneuverings.

In a recent long and thoughtful interview, director Evan Maurer acknowledged the contradiction in the museum's simultaneously banning and exhibiting guns. He insisted that the show was not taking sides in the public debate, and said the institute had gone out of its way to avoid partisan behavior. It did not seek funding from gun lobbyists, interest groups or manufacturers. It did, however, run ads in sporting magazines, gun-collector publications and the program for the country's biggest antique-firearms show in February. It also made gun-safety information available as part of the show.

A gun collector and skeet-shooter himself, Maurer wrote an enthusiastic introduction to the show's catalog. He fondly recalls childhood visits to the arms and armor collection at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, where he would gaze in "reverential communion" at an elegantly engraved, gold-inlaid fowler made for Napoleon I.

The "Centuries" show includes a rifle and four matching pistols by the same gunsmith, Nicholas Noel Boutet (1761-1833). They're unquestionably splendid examples of their craft. Maurer's hope is that viewers' admiration of the Boutet guns will inspire them to visit other parts of the museum.

"Part of my job is to broaden the base of who comes to this museum," he said. "If they've come to see this exhibit, I think they're going to be interested in furniture and decorative arts, and we have a very good chance of showing that the objects they love are very similar to other objects in our collection."

Maybe. Bait and switch sometimes works as a marketing tool. But this show undermines the museum's credibility and is just as likely to offend longtime visitors.
 
Visited the Kimbell Art Museum in Fort Worth recently. I was happily surprised to find that there are no "NO CHL" signs posted.

AZTOY,

Congrats on "educating" someone about the .50 BMG. I'm sure she'll pass her education on to her friends and family so that they can contact their congressman when the issue on banning the .50 BMG rifles comes to a vote.
 
AZTOY,

Congrats on "educating" someone about the .50 BMG. I'm sure she'll pass her education on to her friends and family so that they can contact their congressman when the issue on banning the .50 BMG rifles comes to a vote.

JohnKSa

You are right.
I should have lyed to her and told her it was for hunting rabbits.:barf:
 
So did I miss something in the original story? It really isn't about art museums and guns not mixing, is it? First, there was just one museum and the problem wasn't with the museum at all, but with some of the patrons in line and the cashier. Then, the problem wasn't about actual guns, but speech about guns, a sort of First Amendment story, not Second.
 
I should have lied to her and told her it was for hunting rabbits.
Oh brother! :rolleyes:

What you told her was a lie--and one that will be damaging to the RKBA cause when she repeats it.

.50 BMG rifles are pretty useless against modern tanks. They're used for long-range precision target practice and general shooting fun.

If you have some evidence of someone using a .50 against a tank in the U.S. I'll be happy to recant.
 
I should have lied to her and told her it was for hunting rabbits.

in additon to what JohnKSa said, you must also keep in mind that many of the people who wish to disarm us also wish to make it a crime equal to 1st degree homicide of a human to kill a bunny or birdy.
 
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