At home, during the day
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sidheshooter
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As is often stated here, it's the stakes, not the odds. Guns like the Ruger LCP have largely resolved part of the argument: on a scale from "nothing" to "government model 1911" the LCP is a lot closer to the 1911 than nothing in terms of effectiveness, and a lot closer to nothing than the 1911 in terms of carry inconvenience.
Going somewhat (or horribly) OT for a second; is there anyone else here who finds themselves occasionally carrying something unorthodox at home, just because they can? I have a separate outbuilding as part of my workspace on our urban/residential property, and I am often out working late at night. Sometimes, I'll be sitting there with, say, an Ontario Bagwell Bowie on the table next to me, simply because it is about the only legal place left for me to enjoy it for what it is!
Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing for the Bowie, Polkowski/Kasper Bulldog or nightstick as a replacement for the LCP, P238 or J-Frame, by any stretch, but sometimes... late at night around the house on my own recognizance, I grab something odd/off beat from the collection-just because I can. What can I say? I like historical weaponry...
Going somewhat (or horribly) OT for a second; is there anyone else here who finds themselves occasionally carrying something unorthodox at home, just because they can? I have a separate outbuilding as part of my workspace on our urban/residential property, and I am often out working late at night. Sometimes, I'll be sitting there with, say, an Ontario Bagwell Bowie on the table next to me, simply because it is about the only legal place left for me to enjoy it for what it is!
Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing for the Bowie, Polkowski/Kasper Bulldog or nightstick as a replacement for the LCP, P238 or J-Frame, by any stretch, but sometimes... late at night around the house on my own recognizance, I grab something odd/off beat from the collection-just because I can. What can I say? I like historical weaponry...
harrygunner
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I carry wherever I am. Seemed like the most logical thing to do once I realized why I should have a carry weapon at all.
I don't leave guns around the house, out of control of a responsible person. Our guns are either on an adult or in the safe.
We did a survey of the layout of the house and neighborhood to create a strategy for responding to threats within the home. Things may not go as planned, but at least everyone is aware of issues like where other family members might be, where to take a stand, back-stops, "fatal funnels", when to stop to call 911, etc.
I don't leave guns around the house, out of control of a responsible person. Our guns are either on an adult or in the safe.
We did a survey of the layout of the house and neighborhood to create a strategy for responding to threats within the home. Things may not go as planned, but at least everyone is aware of issues like where other family members might be, where to take a stand, back-stops, "fatal funnels", when to stop to call 911, etc.
Reloadron
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Kleanbore, thank you for what I saw as very good information and response regarding my post. I do believe a small epiphany has happened.
I posted while at work today. Later I was talking to another gun owner/enthusiast and CCW permit holder. I bounced the question off him. Like my wife and I there are no children in his home. They have none and mine are long gone. Like me he has a few guns here and there in his dwelling. However, here is the kicker. His neighborhood has really gone down hill. While he does not carry in the house he carries to mow his lawn. I was like... you have got to be kidding me? No, his area has become that bad with groups of trash roaming his street. Damn, I need to reconnect here.
What do I do when the dogs trigger? I take a peek outside and now that I think about it instinctively with gun in hand. We have always had dogs and I never discourage their barking at things outside. I have yet to figure out how they sense people (or animals) out there.
I really like the outside security lights I put in also.
Anyway, while I don't feel a need to always carry in the house I do maintain firearms in close reach. Yeah, the neighborhood is still relatively nice but maybe it is time to open my eyes a little. On the bright side there are easier targets around than this house sans lighting and dogs.
Thanks for the food for thought...
Ron
I posted while at work today. Later I was talking to another gun owner/enthusiast and CCW permit holder. I bounced the question off him. Like my wife and I there are no children in his home. They have none and mine are long gone. Like me he has a few guns here and there in his dwelling. However, here is the kicker. His neighborhood has really gone down hill. While he does not carry in the house he carries to mow his lawn. I was like... you have got to be kidding me? No, his area has become that bad with groups of trash roaming his street. Damn, I need to reconnect here.
What do I do when the dogs trigger? I take a peek outside and now that I think about it instinctively with gun in hand. We have always had dogs and I never discourage their barking at things outside. I have yet to figure out how they sense people (or animals) out there.
I really like the outside security lights I put in also.
Anyway, while I don't feel a need to always carry in the house I do maintain firearms in close reach. Yeah, the neighborhood is still relatively nice but maybe it is time to open my eyes a little. On the bright side there are easier targets around than this house sans lighting and dogs.
Thanks for the food for thought...
Ron
Yes, I carry inside the home, if moving about; an SP101 at minmum. I may not necesarily be wearing a weapon if stationary, but will tend to have a larger weapon at hand if stationary for an extended period of time; larger meaning 4" revolver or 5" 1911. When sleeping, a long gun is at hand; normally, this is my personally-owned Remington 870P, with a Vang-comped barrel, that also serves as my duty shotgun at work.
In addition, there are a very few strategically-placed firearms, accessible to the adults in the home, in multiple locations, though NOT in every room, and certainly not anywhere near the front door. I am not so anonymous on the internet, so this is as specific as I will get.
There are furpeople in the home, some large enough to be quite formidable, to make life difficult for intruders, but their most important function is early warning. I hope to be fit enough to serve as the protector of the furpeople for at least a couple more decades, before that role is reversed.
An SP101 is not so difficult to have on or about my person 24/7/365. I have learned to buy trousers and shorts with big pockets. My usual pocket holsters are made by Kramer. To be clear, outside the home, I want my "primary" weapon to me worn on a belt, whether inside or outside the waistband. Getting a hand into a pocket can be problematic if seated, or if otherwise bent at the
waist/hips.
In addition, there are a very few strategically-placed firearms, accessible to the adults in the home, in multiple locations, though NOT in every room, and certainly not anywhere near the front door. I am not so anonymous on the internet, so this is as specific as I will get.
There are furpeople in the home, some large enough to be quite formidable, to make life difficult for intruders, but their most important function is early warning. I hope to be fit enough to serve as the protector of the furpeople for at least a couple more decades, before that role is reversed.
An SP101 is not so difficult to have on or about my person 24/7/365. I have learned to buy trousers and shorts with big pockets. My usual pocket holsters are made by Kramer. To be clear, outside the home, I want my "primary" weapon to me worn on a belt, whether inside or outside the waistband. Getting a hand into a pocket can be problematic if seated, or if otherwise bent at the
waist/hips.
I strongly beleive that you should carry while inside the home. Or, at the very least you should have guns at different strategic locations in your home. And to you non-beleivers, do you think thugs want to rob their own crappy hoods?
I also beleive that having one gun in your bedroom is not home defense. Unless you live out of your bedroom that is. And, as it has been stated many times before, dogs are a great alarm system. And sometimes your living space or lifestyle may not permit animals in the home. This is understandable.
I also beleive that having one gun in your bedroom is not home defense. Unless you live out of your bedroom that is. And, as it has been stated many times before, dogs are a great alarm system. And sometimes your living space or lifestyle may not permit animals in the home. This is understandable.
newbuckeye
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The attitude I have taken for CCW is this. You don't run and buy a fire extinguisher when you have a fire. You don't buy car insurance when you have an accident. Likewise, you won't have time to get to your gun safe across the house, unlock it and defend yourself if someone kicks in your door. If you are going to be in the mindset of self defense, it needs to be all the time.
I also got the eye roll and disgusted look from my wife when I talked to her about home security. I showed her where I keep the sp101 in the bedroom (safe from 5 yo fingers) even tho she didn't seem to care. She didn't grow up in a bad place, but she feels safe where we are in spite of some home invasions that have happened close to where we live.
I also got the eye roll and disgusted look from my wife when I talked to her about home security. I showed her where I keep the sp101 in the bedroom (safe from 5 yo fingers) even tho she didn't seem to care. She didn't grow up in a bad place, but she feels safe where we are in spite of some home invasions that have happened close to where we live.
I started carrying concealed about three and a half years ago, and I started carrying in the house sometime after that. My wife was not enthused at the time.
The winter before last, we had ice all over everything, and I did not carry during that time. It was a simple matter of risk management. I felt that the risk of being injured by falling on the firearm was a lot greater than that of being attacked by a violent criminal actor under those conditions.
Right now I am having some trouble moving quickly, particularly on stairs. Yesterday I happened to mention to my wife that I was not carrying.
She indicated quickly and rather firmly that she thought I had made a poor decision.
huntsman
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LCP+pocket= constant carry
mgkdrgn
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If I have pants on, I'm armed, inside or out.
Kevin Rohrer
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As I don't live in a high-crime area and am not paranoid, I don't worry about being struck by meteorites, lightning, or home invaders.
One should not base his or her risk assessment of home invasions on neighborhood violent crime rates. Criminals are mobile, and they tend to go where the money is. This has been mentioned here more than once before. It is generally a good idea to read before posting.
We do have members here who are qualified to discuss paranoia. I'm not one of them. Are you?
I have heard of two or three persons being struck by meteorites in recent years. Most survived. The chance is certainly far less than remote.
People are, however, killed by lightning from time to time, and I have met two people whose survived but who are permanently impaired. One generally knows to take precautions, whether golfing, swimming, or trying to get out of the rain.
The chance of being victimized by violent crime during one's lifetime is over one thousand times that of ever being struck by lightning.
The chance of being attacked inside one's domicile is significantly lower than that of being attacked somewhere else. The question becomes one of the stakes, and whether to accept the risk or to mitigate it.
Agreed. Criminals don't rob their own neighborhood. They go where the money is.
I spent most of my LE career* patrolling a district, on night shift, that was mostly a "nice" area, and partly marginal and bad areas. For a few years, I lived in that district. Nothing I saw/heard/learned has done anything but convince me that I should be armed at all times, no matter how nice or prestigious the neighborhood. For the same reason there is a fire extinguisher in the kitchen, there is an SP101 in my pocket as I type this. As a member indicated in an above post, it is not the odds, so much as he consequences, of being unprepared.
Fire insurance can buy me a new house and belongings, but cannot restore things with sentimental value. Life insurance policies, obviously, cannot restore anything; it just makes life more bearable for my beneficiaries.
I do not judge those who choose to be unprepared for any particular scenario. We each choose our salvation. Some are simply at peace with their mortality, and choose the play the odds. Some are simply in denial. Some have living arrangements that make a firearm a hazard, and choose to balance risks by not having a firearm readily accessible. I am sure
these examples do not cover all the bases, of course; these just came to mind.
*My assignment has changed to photography/fingerprinting, over a larger, more varied area.
berettaboy
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Close at hand at all times. We have had too many instances where the knock on the door to sell a "service" just to see who's home.
We have had too many instances where the knock on the door to sell a "service" just to see who's home.allaroundhunter
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When my girlfriend found out that I carry at home and asked why I did, I simply responded by asking her how many "home invasions" occur outside of the home. After that she just assumes I carry and is puzzled and asks why I am not if she doesn't see my gun on my hip.
Seanpcola
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I believe this is still on topic so I'll mention it here. The attitudes of spouses to carrying in the home.
My wife has never been anti-gun, more like ambivalent. When I started purchasing firearms she went through a period of indecision as to her feelings, finally deciding that it was a good idea. When she realized that I was always armed at home she went through the same process, again coming to the same conclusion that it made sense. Now, if I don't carry at home I get questioned.
I've seen this same thing with several friends, including those who's wives started out as antis.
My wife has never been anti-gun, more like ambivalent. When I started purchasing firearms she went through a period of indecision as to her feelings, finally deciding that it was a good idea. When she realized that I was always armed at home she went through the same process, again coming to the same conclusion that it made sense. Now, if I don't carry at home I get questioned.
I've seen this same thing with several friends, including those who's wives started out as antis.
Dude, you're in Ohio.
WilleRupert
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I don't feel a need to carry at home. It just don't feel a need to disarm. Gun goes on in the morning, comes off at night.
xXxplosive
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I carry....... even at home.
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JustinJ
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Risk analysis can never be about just the stakes, not the odds, or else our planet would be inclined to invest billions in alien invasion defense. We also would never leave our houses except for when absolutely necessary and only drive 20 mph max.
My house is in a relatively new neighborhood in which houses are close together and it would be extremely difficult, loud and time consuming to kick in my front door with anything but a battering ram. I find this highly unlikely to occur on my front porch for the entire neighborhood to see. Not to mention my dogs alert me long before anybody gets to the door step with a bark that is easily distinguished from barking at dogs in the street. So no, i don't carry at all times in the home. Nor do i wear a helmet in a car, not avoid pulling into my driveway when there are other cars around, or use my dogs to taste test my food for poison before eating although i'm sure they'd be thrilled to.
Personally i don't buy into the "home invasion" epidemic. The term has recently been widely expanded beyond the traditional definition among the defense community by those looking to sell "home defense" related services and products. And many that do occur are against criminals by criminals. The ones i've read about also mostly entail a knock at the door instead of kicking it in. I don't pretend it couldn't happen to me but I also don't pretend i couldn't die in a car crash either. For both i take reasonable precautions that provide what i deem to be a favorable cost/benefit ratio.
My house is in a relatively new neighborhood in which houses are close together and it would be extremely difficult, loud and time consuming to kick in my front door with anything but a battering ram. I find this highly unlikely to occur on my front porch for the entire neighborhood to see. Not to mention my dogs alert me long before anybody gets to the door step with a bark that is easily distinguished from barking at dogs in the street. So no, i don't carry at all times in the home. Nor do i wear a helmet in a car, not avoid pulling into my driveway when there are other cars around, or use my dogs to taste test my food for poison before eating although i'm sure they'd be thrilled to.
Personally i don't buy into the "home invasion" epidemic. The term has recently been widely expanded beyond the traditional definition among the defense community by those looking to sell "home defense" related services and products. And many that do occur are against criminals by criminals. The ones i've read about also mostly entail a knock at the door instead of kicking it in. I don't pretend it couldn't happen to me but I also don't pretend i couldn't die in a car crash either. For both i take reasonable precautions that provide what i deem to be a favorable cost/benefit ratio.
That is true.
There are three elements to the risk management decision process: likelihood; potential consequences; and the cost and practicality of mitigation.
So far so good.
In my case, I also have to consider the back door, a basement door, basement windows, and a window that opens onto the back porch.
That is your prerogative.
Let's remain serious, shall we?
I haven't heard of such a thing. But they are occurring with sufficient frequency for me to elect not to ignore them. And when it does happen, one is on one's own.
One should, however, put that into perspective. One's lifetime chance of being attacked in the home is far lower than the chance of being attacked somewhere else.
I say that even after having had to produce firearms to defend against violent criminal actors in the house or trying to gain entry with force on three different occasions over period of a five decades.
That does not include an instance in which a would be burglar was dealt with hand-to-hand by a neighbor.
Limit the scenario to an invasion that occurs while one is in the bedroom, and the risk becomes lower still. That's what led me to decide to carry at home.
Frankly, I do note care what someone else calls an unlawful violent entry into the home.
We can eliminate those from consideration here.
Many, but not all, do start with a knock at the front door, but that may well not be the point of ingress.
Great. It costs me nothing to carry at home, and the degree of risk mitigation provides considerable benefit.
I could lose everything should I not do so.
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