ATF Data Undercuts Claim Gun-Controlled Cities Get Guns from Surrounding States

Status
Not open for further replies.

Aim1

member
Joined
Oct 24, 2015
Messages
2,310
So much for the "Other states' weak gun laws are the reason we have illegally obtained guns in our state!"





https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...lled-cities-get-guns-from-surrounding-states/






ATF Data Undercuts Claim Gun-Controlled Cities Get Guns from Surrounding States

By AWR Hawkins 21 Aug 2018

ATF data undercuts claims that criminals in gun-controlled cities are getting the majority of their guns from surrounding states.


The left has long claimed that the failures of gun control in cities like Baltimore or Chicago can be chalked up to lax gun laws in surrounding states. But the ATF’s latest data defeats such claims.

The Baltimore Sun reports that the ATF was asked to trace the origin of 8,600 guns from crime scenes last year. The federal agency was able “to determine where nearly 5,900 of the firearms were sold,” and nearly half of those firearms were purchased in Maryland.

 
DC and Maryland have cried this lie for decades and we know that it’s mostly false. We’ve even seen cases where thugs who have tried to buy in Va and run the guns to DC have been caught Arrested and put away for a long time, while the drug dealers with illegal guns in DC seldom get arrested, and if they do they’re out of jail before the officers complete the arrest report.
 
I don't want to get in to a source bash, but read the study, or at least the BaltimoreSun piece that Brietbart is citing before crowing a victory.

The reported data is that around 50 percent are local purchases the other 50 percent is from out of state, and the out of state percentage is growing.

Doesn't change the fact that people not firearms commit violence, but the situation is not exactly as advertised.
 
I wonder how many of the 8600 guns recovered from crime scenes and of the 5900 purchased; what percentage were actually stolen?
 
One of the other issues is that the initial state of purchase may not be where the person moved (legally) later. The ATF rarely does intermediate traces on a trail of gun ownership/residences which obviously fail if there is any private sales (absent universal background checks). A lot of criminals move around, probably due to the crimes that they have committed in a jurisdiction. Cannot find the initial study right now but will check into it later.
 
Wow. That's funny. Breitbart totally spun that article. Perhaps the right should find a more reliable place to get their news. :rofl:
 
The process is often called "gun tunneling." Although I never figured out why. It isn't like there are fences and Berlin walls around anti gun states. But I digress.

Sure guns move across borders. But they have always been low numbers.
 
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...gates-gun-traces-20180816-story.html#nws=true

We should ALWAYS read the source material to have all the facts.

That Baltimore article starts out saying nearly half the guns couldn't be traced at all before getting to the news in the Breitbart story.

My difficulty is that this is apparently a press release or some sort of internal report requested by Maryland from the ATF. Can't actually find the original report on the ATF website. I read the story but a lot of key information that the ATF has in these type reports is missing.
 
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...gates-gun-traces-20180816-story.html#nws=true

We should ALWAYS read the source material to have all the facts.

That Baltimore article starts out saying nearly half the guns couldn't be traced at all before getting to the news in the Breitbart story.


Facts, grammar and journalist integrity should be there, but they are not. The grammar is so bad in the Baltimore article I couldn't get past the first 2 paragraphs. Sorry, I don't trust journalists who do not have proper grammar. It always makes me wonder about someone double checking their work. If a story is, produced and published and multiple spelling/grammar errors are present, it makes me think nobody double checked their work. Ok, rant over.
 
  • Like
Reactions: v35
Facts, grammar and journalist integrity should be there, but they are not. The grammar is so bad in the Baltimore article I couldn't get past the first 2 paragraphs. Sorry, I don't trust journalists who do not have proper grammar. It always makes me wonder about someone double checking their work. If a story is, produced and published and multiple spelling/grammar errors are present, it makes me think nobody double checked their work. Ok, rant over.

Sadly, the Sun has diminished a bit since the days of Menken.
 
It always makes me wonder about someone double checking their work. If a story is, produced and published and multiple spelling/grammar errors are present, it makes me think nobody double checked their work. Ok, rant over.
Actually, I think that's a legitimate gripe. One of the things the "gun community" suffers from is perception. And, the pureyors of that perception ought to be held to some standard.
After all, we in the Second Amendment community are forced into a super legality that we might exercise our right. SO, why shouldn't the First Amendment community also meet some standards?

I know some folk in the print journalism business, and the topic of proofreader, editors, and author content is a sore one. Copy Editors--the people tasked with ensuring that author's stories are in coherent grammar and diction have, apparently, become as rare as matchlock rifles. Hiring writers with demonstrable skills runs into more than a few roadblocks in our current culture, too.

Now, in some fairness, most of the editors I know are working in periodicals, where there is still some money and relevance. Nealy all of them are near retirement age, and they are generally pessimistic about the future of print at all; and are particularly gloomy about daily publications.

Yet, daily publications still "drive" news cycles. And those news cycles often change "our" political landscape. I have no ready answers. My old hometown's newspaper used to have a authoriod who was convinced of many things. That the month was spelt "Maiy"; that the group pronoun of possession was "thier"; and that pulras were always rendered with apostrophes. Among other foibles. Allegedly, when approached about these "idiosyncrasies" said worthy would melt down into a screaming tantrum of rage alleging every possible (and some impossible) form of discrimination or such similar social evil. This lasted until that worth found employment as asmall Houston tv station as a news reader. The spellcheck at the paper still coughs up "corrections" to the twisted spellings, though.

It's an uphill battle, and one that matters for our "side." Control perception and you control reality. Sadly.
 
Actually, I think that's a legitimate gripe. One of the things the "gun community" suffers from is perception. And, the pureyors of that perception ought to be held to some standard.
After all, we in the Second Amendment community are forced into a super legality that we might exercise our right. SO, why shouldn't the First Amendment community also meet some standards?

Well, there isn't really one 'group' of First Amendment types, unless you group Breitbart in with the NY Times. But you are correct in that every time someone makes a specious or outright deceptive pro-2nd Amendment argument in the press, it hurts us. In the case of Breitbart, the problem is that they aren't pro-2nd Amendment so much as hysterically anti-liberal, so they don't really care if the argument holds water, as long as it makes an emotional connection (and generates clicks). None of this helps us in the medium or long term.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top