Apocalypse-Now
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that sucks. it is the seller's decision though. a lot of them are probably worried about violating some bizarre California anti gun law. i probably would be.
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CraigC
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If it's your property, you may ship it wherever you choose. Just like a seller can ask any price he wishes for his property. Nuff said. Doesn't do you any good to get bent outta shape because you can't do anything about it.
PreMod70
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You should file a civil suit against this guy, before long he and others will get the idea that they do as they please with their property(with sarcasm). Face it fellow you live in world that the rest of us know will be the model for the rest of our country and there are some of us that don't like the way things are going in California so move or change the laws if you wish to be treated the same.
RightCoastBiased
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that's like not selling condoms to a rape victim.
orionengnr
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Having lived in CT (18 years), CA (20 years) and IL (a mere 3 years), yes, I am going to blame the victims.
The people of your states are actively and/or passively supporting statism.
If you don't like that, work from within to change it.
Until then, I will dismiss it as idiotic rhetoric.
Subscribing, and holding my breath.
Not.
The people of your states are actively and/or passively supporting statism.
If you don't like that, work from within to change it.
If you can state one instance of a rape victim offering a condom to a rapist with a positive result, I will re-consider your argument.
Until then, I will dismiss it as idiotic rhetoric.
Subscribing, and holding my breath.
Not.
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It's very easy to say "move."
YOU try it. It means leaving your job, your friends, your extended family, the familiar surroundings, and leaping into the unknown. It's very, very difficult to pack up and move.
I know because i did it in 1992. I grew up in California. It was home. But the politics leaned further and further to the left and with the myriad of anti-gun laws coming along in the late 1980s I knew I had to get out or go crazy. I could do it. I didn't have children who would be uprooted from friends and school. But it was STILL a tremendously hard thing to do.
I quit my job of 14 years, sold my house, and moved. I spent the next 10 years unemployed or underemployed. I missed my friends. I missed my family. After 19 years it's still tough.
I felt I had to do it, and I chose to do it. Most folks cannot due to jobs, family, etc. Some compassion would be nice rather than blaming them for bad laws that they fight as much as they can but are simply overwhelmed at the polls.
You know, I could point out that national gun laws are bad. What's wrong with all of you living in the US? Why don't YOU rise up and overthrow that anti-gun government? Why are YOU allowing these laws to be passed, and remain in force? maybe I won't do business with all of YOU until YOU fix the federal laws!!!
Makes about as much sense...
YOU try it. It means leaving your job, your friends, your extended family, the familiar surroundings, and leaping into the unknown. It's very, very difficult to pack up and move.
I know because i did it in 1992. I grew up in California. It was home. But the politics leaned further and further to the left and with the myriad of anti-gun laws coming along in the late 1980s I knew I had to get out or go crazy. I could do it. I didn't have children who would be uprooted from friends and school. But it was STILL a tremendously hard thing to do.
I quit my job of 14 years, sold my house, and moved. I spent the next 10 years unemployed or underemployed. I missed my friends. I missed my family. After 19 years it's still tough.
I felt I had to do it, and I chose to do it. Most folks cannot due to jobs, family, etc. Some compassion would be nice rather than blaming them for bad laws that they fight as much as they can but are simply overwhelmed at the polls.
You know, I could point out that national gun laws are bad. What's wrong with all of you living in the US? Why don't YOU rise up and overthrow that anti-gun government? Why are YOU allowing these laws to be passed, and remain in force? maybe I won't do business with all of YOU until YOU fix the federal laws!!!
Makes about as much sense...
Mike1234567
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I agree, it's easy to "say". Most of us are essentially stuck in one area for one or many reasons. I'm stuck in Texas until I can afford to retire. It would be really stoopid of me to walk away from my pension after so many years in. TG Texas ain't no kommie state but I'd still be stuck here even if it became one.
bergmen
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Saxonpig has it correct.
I was born in California in 1949. Lived here ever since except for a four year excursion to Japan in the late 50's, early 60's.
To say that just because we live here we support the idiotic laws that are passed against our will is prejudicial beyond description. The residents of this state are not being represented by the elected, the special interests are. There is nothing most of us can do about it no matter how hard we try.
Take a look at this county voting map from 2004:
The media (local, national and international) completely ignore the number of red counties. Most people are astonished to learn that there are conservatives actually living here.
Believe me, we are doing our damndest to change things but those in power do not listen to us since the power is generally centralized in the San Francisco and Los Angeles areas.
If a business chooses not to sell me anything strictly because I live in California that is a direct assault on me, not my state of residence. It would behoove that business to recognize that we are on your side and doing business with us (and actually going out of your way to help us with any firearms related purchases) goes a long, long way towards empowering us to try to change things (NOT in an armed manner, mind you). We need your support.
You turn your backs on us, you are supporting an anti-gun stance just like the state government is.
And as for me, you will be treated just the same as I treat the state government, and that is with disdain and complete lack of trust and respect. In my mind, you are finished as a source of anything - forever. You choose not to do business with me because of my state of residence you are banned from consideration by me in the future - no reconsideration on my part, you're no better than the Governers office.
Kel-Tec (as I understand it) chooses not to sell any firearms in California as a protest to the stupid and restrictive gun laws here. They can do what they want but who are they hurting? The state government? The state-gov couldn't care less and would chalk this up as a victory. No, they are hurting law abiding gun owners by their idiotic political stance. Kel-Tec stands to gain far more if they stand behind us and help us to take advantage of their fine products. They could use our support and we could use theres. Guess where Kel-Tec resides on my preferred supplier list.
And speaking of moving, I did. To a county that is ignored by state politicians because we don't toe the political line. We have a Sheriff's office here that recognizes RKBA and issues CCW permits because it is our right. My wife and I have held ours for ten + years.
So go ahead and not sell to me. You are only burning yourselves at the stake if I have anything to say about it.
Dan
I was born in California in 1949. Lived here ever since except for a four year excursion to Japan in the late 50's, early 60's.
To say that just because we live here we support the idiotic laws that are passed against our will is prejudicial beyond description. The residents of this state are not being represented by the elected, the special interests are. There is nothing most of us can do about it no matter how hard we try.
Take a look at this county voting map from 2004:
The media (local, national and international) completely ignore the number of red counties. Most people are astonished to learn that there are conservatives actually living here.
Believe me, we are doing our damndest to change things but those in power do not listen to us since the power is generally centralized in the San Francisco and Los Angeles areas.
If a business chooses not to sell me anything strictly because I live in California that is a direct assault on me, not my state of residence. It would behoove that business to recognize that we are on your side and doing business with us (and actually going out of your way to help us with any firearms related purchases) goes a long, long way towards empowering us to try to change things (NOT in an armed manner, mind you). We need your support.
You turn your backs on us, you are supporting an anti-gun stance just like the state government is.
And as for me, you will be treated just the same as I treat the state government, and that is with disdain and complete lack of trust and respect. In my mind, you are finished as a source of anything - forever. You choose not to do business with me because of my state of residence you are banned from consideration by me in the future - no reconsideration on my part, you're no better than the Governers office.
Kel-Tec (as I understand it) chooses not to sell any firearms in California as a protest to the stupid and restrictive gun laws here. They can do what they want but who are they hurting? The state government? The state-gov couldn't care less and would chalk this up as a victory. No, they are hurting law abiding gun owners by their idiotic political stance. Kel-Tec stands to gain far more if they stand behind us and help us to take advantage of their fine products. They could use our support and we could use theres. Guess where Kel-Tec resides on my preferred supplier list.
And speaking of moving, I did. To a county that is ignored by state politicians because we don't toe the political line. We have a Sheriff's office here that recognizes RKBA and issues CCW permits because it is our right. My wife and I have held ours for ten + years.
So go ahead and not sell to me. You are only burning yourselves at the stake if I have anything to say about it.
Dan
Sunray
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"...patronize a notoriously anti-gun site like ebay..." Yep. Buying or selling there gives money to the like of the Brady Bunch. Mind you, the seller may be too, um, dim to know that.
Some folks put principal ahead of money.
Go ahead and spout all the little sound bites about eating principal, but I can think of a number of men who could have taken the easy way out, but chose to do what they felt was right. Had it not been for those men, and many others, we probably would not be discussing RKBA...there wouldn't be any right.
KodiakBeer
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The wording he uses is condescending, but I have to agree with the sentiment. I wouldn't sell firearm accessories to California (or a half dozen other states) either, just because I don't want to get caught up in the web of legal issues it presents. Something as innocuous as a magazine or a folding stock or even a scope could violate some California law. Do they charge me with some arcane postal regulation about transferring prohibited items? Am I expected to refund the money to the buyer if it's confiscated? Who needs that kind of headache?
Mike1234567
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^^^ This is the appropriate reasoning. I wouldn't bother with the headaches either but it would have nothing to do with those unfortunate folks who live in those states.
Cal-gun Fan
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I detest this logic. I was born in California. In the future I hope to leave, but as of now I am in High School and thus leaving is impossible. Our laws are not our fault and we DO try to change them. The problem is, California is not ready for change. We accept this and throw the bullet buttons and magazine locks on our guns to make them legal etc.
Please elaborate on why exactly you think Californians should be discriminated against for buying their groceries or anything else in the state.
@Mike1234567
How would a scope be violating California law? There are no laws restricting them.
@Bergmen
I completely agree with this. Well said!
FIVETWOSEVEN
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On a case of what? Living in California is not a protected class which would make such a lawsuit, frivolous.
Mike1234567
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@ Cal-gun Fan... I was agreeing with KodiakBeer who stated he wouldn't sell to individuals in California NOT because of them but because of the PITA and possible legal repercussions the state of CA makes it to do so.
Cal-gun Fan
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Ahh ok, gotcha.
Yeah the guy definitely worded that stupidly, but if I were selling a gun/certain accessories online I would also not ship to California.
Absolutely nothing to do with making a statement or with some misplaced principle, it's simple self preservation. I'm not going to learn California's gun laws for a few potential sales, and I'd like to avoid being extradited there.
Absolutely nothing to do with making a statement or with some misplaced principle, it's simple self preservation. I'm not going to learn California's gun laws for a few potential sales, and I'd like to avoid being extradited there.
Cal-gun Fan
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A scope is an innocuous item and doesn't violate any laws. Hi-Cap magazines and possible folding or retractable stocks I can understand not wanting to ship, but I just don't see why somebody would not ship a scope.
Iramo94
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+1 for learning from history. That is exactly what is happening in California. And it's a crying shame.
Even being that California doesn't have such a law, I absolutely guarantee you that there are jurisdictions somewhere that regulate rifle scopes. Shipping a scope wouldn't worry me personally, I would sell one to someone in California. That said, I can understand why some would be hesitant.
It's sad but if you go under the assumption that if a given act is illegal anywhere it is probably illegal in California, you will be right way more often than not.
It's sad but if you go under the assumption that if a given act is illegal anywhere it is probably illegal in California, you will be right way more often than not.
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