Basic hand to hand styles

[FNHP35]

Ok, I'm starting the Police Academy next Monday (12th) and I'm wanting some opinions on what type of martial arts/fighting styles are good for basic hand to hand stuff. I am not in it for competition, and I want it to be down to earth. I'm not going to get heavy into it, just to get some basic moves that I need to keep me out of trouble and to keep somewhat fit. Any help, ideas etc would be greatly appreciated.

Andrew

 

[Felonious Monk]

I'm not a practitioner, but I've seen demonstrations of Krav Maga and it looks like no BS down and dirty stuff.

Any FMA, Filipino Martial Art, is heavy on the martial, less so on the art.

YMMV.
Fig

 

[Soap]

WWII Combatives.

http://www.gutterfighting.org

 

[Looking2Learn]

My recommendations

Krav Maga
Kali/Escrima/Arnis
Judo
Brazilian JiuJitsu

Though they may not be of significant relevance to your line of work due to 'force restrictions', I would also look into:

Boxing
Muay Thai
and possibly Sambo (maybe even Greco Roman wrestling)

Also, anything on weapon-retention and disarms.

Good Luck!

Looking2Learn

 

[Warren]

Hmmmm....

 

[Looking2Learn]

Whoops! My apologies! If I knew there was someone with a screen name so similiar, I would have chose something else.

 

[Warren]

Actually I think it's cool.


There should be a whole ___2Learn "family".

 

[Looking2Learn]

Well then " Howdy cuz' "

As long as that family tree has branches

 

[Warren]

Mine is full of both nuts and fruits.....



Back on topic....


I need an easy to use method that will allow me to draw my weapon while pressed.

I have nerve damage in my right arm so I am weak on that side and my movements are constrained a bit so the move(s) need to take that into account.


Any Ideas?

 

[Wilhelm]

Being a cop you are gonna be doing more grabbing and grappling then anything else. I would go with some form of Sub wrestling 1st. WWII combatives can be added to almost any style very easily and makes for an excellent mix.

 

[Sawdust]

Most definitely Wing Chun.

Sawdust

 

[LASur5r]

46 years here

Been in the martial arts for over 46 years now.

For good down to earth basics? Boxing and wrestling.

Boxing to get your reflexes and keep you in shape. Teaches you timing, rhythm, distance and footwork. Really essential for those up close and personal moments. (May not be PC)

Wrestling for those really close in moments when it gets really sloppy. Gets you familiar when you get people who close on you, then you can get out of those really sticky moments.

Check with your local reps as to what is PC and what is not.

Several years back, my brother's friends who were joining up with LAPD gang units asked me to informally train them for a while. All we had time for was in real close (grappling stage and gun grabs).
Their dedication in training....a few months, they felt it helped them survive several confrontations with some people that tried to do them serious hurt.
They have been scattered and promoted to detectives now so I pray that they don't need it, but they are ready to use it if needed.
God Bless you young man, for serving the public.

 

[FNHP35]

Thanks for all the help. I thinking wrestling grappling is the way to go, or at least something that teaches some basic throws that aren't extravagant. While I'd like to know all the other... less PC stuff, you can't gouge out the eyes of people you are trying to arrest. I really want to learn how to get people to the ground in a nice, easy, controlled manner and learn how to disarm. Again, thanks for everyone's thoughts and help on the matter.

Andrew

 

[Ozendorph]

Don't look past judo or small-circle jiu-jitsu. Both are excellent training for LEOs, with a strong emphasis on standing throws and holds to subdue aggressive perps. I'll throw shui-jiao in there too, though it's quite a bit harder to find than the other two styles.

 

[AhmuqGB]

My money goes to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai

Jiu Jitsu: teaches submissions and joint manipulation both standing and ground work. It is also easy to train with full force application(worst that happens is the guy passes out or worst case the guy gets an elbo hyper extended) and it is relatively easy to train and maintain.

Muay Thai: Devastating close in striking, good range strikes. Also excellent for maintaining physical fitness. Gives you the punches of a boxer, the better kicks out of Karate, and also throws in elbows and knees.

those two together with pistol marksmanship training make you very well rounded. Knife training would add another tool for your kit bag, but not essential. That should make you proficient to take on most criminals, with minimal sustainment requirements.

 

[Ozendorph]

"worst that happens is the guy passes out or worst case the guy gets an elbo hyper extended"

Well, I took a pretty good twist in a heel hook and (one year later) still can't run worth a darn. That'd be bad news if I was a LEO. Training "full contact" in any style has its dangers.

Not trying to be argumentative, just throwing out some info for conversation.

 

[Wilhelm]

Leg locks are scary things. Gotta be REAL carefull when using them. I tap way early on those.

 

[Ozendorph]

Yeah, no kidding. The really stupid part was, we weren't even "live". He was practicing the hold on me, and was jerking on my foot trying to get a reaction. The instructor explained he was pulling in the wrong direction, and in response he adjusted his grip and yanked good and hard. *pop*- and now I'm told I need to have the knee scoped. Weak.

 

[Wilhelm]

Thats a poor training partner there. Sorry to hear that bro.

 

[Ozendorph]

Yep, first (and last) time working with him. He's young (HS senior) with good skills overall, but no control. Live and learn...

 

[LawDog]

Okay, as a peace officer you're going to be placed into situations which require a decent knowledge of some kind of grappling.

See if you can find someone teaching san shou kuai jiao, more often advertised as simply san shou or sanda.

Some JKD academies teach chin na techniques, and these techniques can be very useful when you're the initiating officer in a pig-pile.

Brazilian jui-jitsu/Muay Thai/Mixed Martial Art/Shootfighting/Submission/whatever schools are popping up like weeds. Good schools will teach you invaluable lessons, but you have to make sure that you have a good and reputable school.

Taiho-jitsu is kind of rare, but if you're near a big metropolis that has a taiho-jitsu dojo, I'm told the training is police-orientated and very good.

Krav maga is police-orientated, but just like the BJJ/Muay Thai schools, krav maga schools are popping up everywhere and some of them are worse than terrible. Caveat emptor.

Hope that gives you somewhere to start and congratualtions on your new career.

LawDog

 

[PBIR]

I'd recommned taking the empty glass approach until you have mastered what they teach you at the academy. Then, look into a joint lock/ submission hold style.

 

[FNHP35]

Thanks guys, I like PBIR's idea of waiting awhile and adding to what the Academy teaches. I think this is a pretty good Academy (for those in the Dallas area, it's Regional at COG), and I know I'll learn alot. Thanks for all ya'lls help.

Andrew