ShackleMeNot
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I agree 100%.
Aliveness is missing in 99% of TMA training.
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I agree 100%.
Aliveness is missing in 99% of TMA training.
My sensei (in a form of jujitsu) suggested the best martial art is track. 
Simple, effective movements, defenses and attacks that you can practice to proficiency are my suggestions. A handful of techniques at which you are very good beat a book full of techniques that you have to repeat to get right. Most of all, it's mindset. Once you have that, learn some good, basic techniques and practice them.
Simple, effective movements, defenses and attacks that you can practice to proficiency are my suggestions. A handful of techniques at which you are very good beat a book full of techniques that you have to repeat to get right. Most of all, it's mindset. Once you have that, learn some good, basic techniques and practice them.
03Shadowbob
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I personally like Aikido however MMA classes might be the best for all reasons stated already. I have trained in Jiujitsu, Aikido, Kung fu, and some Kenpo for the better part of 34 years. I was also trained for 7 years in HtoH combat by a USMC trainer. I believe I have taken the best of all these forms and morphed them into my own fighting style.
The key to all training is cardio in building your stamina. We train for 5 minute rounds usually. This seperates the wheat from the chaff so to speak.
IMO, Tae Kwan Do is best left to training young ones in the beginning of their training. I would not and could not vouche for using TKD in a hand to hand combat scenario.
The key to all training is cardio in building your stamina. We train for 5 minute rounds usually. This seperates the wheat from the chaff so to speak.
IMO, Tae Kwan Do is best left to training young ones in the beginning of their training. I would not and could not vouche for using TKD in a hand to hand combat scenario.
AStone
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)expvideo
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I like jujitsu. Seems to be kind of "cop-fu", and has a lot of practical purposes in an actual encounter. There are so many good martial arts out there these days though! I'd really like to get into a formal class, but who has the time.
Very true. All you really need is a very basic arsenal of strikes, takedowns, reversals, weapon retention skills, and holds/submissions, the will to use these in an explosive violent manner, and the mental/physical conditioning to win.
This entails cross-training in a few different MAs that allow you to use your skills on a resisting opponent and that also develop the physical skills such as eye-hand coordination, endurance, strength, and speed to make these techniques effective.
And remember, the jump spinning reverse cresent kick has never saved anyone's ass.
auschip
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If you are outnumbered you are screwed anyway.
NevadaDep
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Best Hand To Hand
A Realy sharp knife and quick reflexes
A Realy sharp knife and quick reflexes
WING CHUN!!!!!!
I DO think there are styles better suited to SD, and you CAN put your finger on them. Wing Chun all the way. I would toss some basic jujitsu in there to round things out a bit, but I don't thing any other style is more appropriate for self defense. Any style based on Competition (karate, Tae Kwon Do, etc) is going to be governed by rules which no one plays by when they're trying to kill you. Wing Chun has no mulititude of stances like other arts, very simple movements, infact there are a couple of gun fighting systems based upon Wing Chun.
I DO think there are styles better suited to SD, and you CAN put your finger on them. Wing Chun all the way. I would toss some basic jujitsu in there to round things out a bit, but I don't thing any other style is more appropriate for self defense. Any style based on Competition (karate, Tae Kwon Do, etc) is going to be governed by rules which no one plays by when they're trying to kill you. Wing Chun has no mulititude of stances like other arts, very simple movements, infact there are a couple of gun fighting systems based upon Wing Chun.
CannibalCrowley
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Eyesac, you're either a funny troll or a person who is horribly mistaken.
Oh great, it's the "too d34dly" defense.
Could you name one for us please?
Eyesac said:
Oh great, it's the "too d34dly" defense.
Eyesac said:
Could you name one for us please?
my recomendation if you are up for it health wise....at some point take something with contact. Its good experience to know what its like to be hit.
And in my opinion will increase your speed. A little boxing isn't a bad idea.
Add that to the other arts you decide to choose.
And in my opinion will increase your speed. A little boxing isn't a bad idea.
Add that to the other arts you decide to choose.
FourTeeFive
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Which martial arts are most oriented towards joint locks and pressure points? I'm looking for something that is primarily geared towards quickly diffusing a bad situation.
Good one, funny troll, I get it.
What does that even mean? I think you've mistaken my meaning, but thanks for insulting me first and asking questions later...
http://www.sabretactical.com/
Contact him, ask him about it's origins.
FourTeeFive
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Is this guy sponsored by the ammo companies? Man he burns through a lot of rounds at really close distances.
http://www.sabretactical.com/CAR/car.html
I was waiting for him to shoot himself in the arm or hand. His barrel seems to cover his own body parts quite a bit.
http://www.sabretactical.com/CAR/Reaction.mpg
But what do I know...
The only excuse for going hand to hand is that no suitable weapon is available.
I'm a firm believer in the ancient Australian martial art of "Fosters"
Never heard of it you say? It's pretty simple. Beer bottle from the hip, Port Melbourne's secret weapon!
I'm a firm believer in the ancient Australian martial art of "Fosters"
Never heard of it you say? It's pretty simple. Beer bottle from the hip, Port Melbourne's secret weapon!
tbtrout
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I have taken Jeet Kune Do and if I were to take another it would be Aikido. I prefer combative styles that allow you the fluidity to adapt and change without restricting you to a prescribed response. The traditional styles are great for learning form and technique. If there was a 3rd choice it would be Kenpo. This is my opinion of course so please no hate responses
Scroll back up to nevadadep's post :
"A sharp knife & quick reflexes "
I trained 22 years in TKD , along with a bunch of boxing , Muay Thai , Judo , Tang Soo Do and am currently involved in Silat.
I'll fight anyone H2H if I have to , without a lot of fear. But give him a sharp knife and quick relexes and it's a whole new game.
And the reverse is true as well. A good medium sized knife in my hands is very comforting.
"A sharp knife & quick reflexes "
I trained 22 years in TKD , along with a bunch of boxing , Muay Thai , Judo , Tang Soo Do and am currently involved in Silat.
I'll fight anyone H2H if I have to , without a lot of fear. But give him a sharp knife and quick relexes and it's a whole new game.
And the reverse is true as well. A good medium sized knife in my hands is very comforting.
Ala Dan
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I will second the use of Tae Kwon Do, as its all I know~!
Byron Quick
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Tae Kwon Do, traditional complete Japanese ryu, some Aikido.
You can see in the traditional Japanese styles where Aikido techniques were derived. But where Aikido lets them down mussed or bruised, the traditional jujutsu breaks and tears.
Had a man tell me once that Brazilian jujutsu is the best one on one unarmed system in the world. I pondered and told him,"That might be so but it leaves you with two problems: finding me alone and finding me unarmed."
The old Japanese styles seem sort of strange to someone who is schooled in modern hard styles. Many of the strikes and kicks seem to be weak, short ranged, and less than the most effective. And they are, in fact, exactly that. Until you realize that the focus is totally different. The focus is fighting multiple opponents. Strong techniques that leave you off balance and out of position for the other opponents to strike are avoided in favor of sneaky crap that will get the target off balance for your associates to hammer.
There was a lot of work with improvised weapons. You've got the knife? Fine, I'll take a garden rake. Or a bat and a trash can lid. Or a shovel.
A study of the use of terrain can be of positive benefit. I've had people chase me into construction sites...to their regret. Don't follow me up a ladder. A loose concrete block and gravity make excellent allies against a stronger and faster opponent.
A study of strategic principles can be enlightening also. Many individual martial arts today boil down to-"hey, diddle diddle, straight up the middle." That's fine if you've got the superior skill, strength, endurance, and speed. Not so good if the other guy has the upper hand in those departments. Having the ability to shield your weaknesses from the opponent's strengths, while using your strengths to engage his weaknesses can go a long way. Another construction site fight-amazing how little his superior strength, speed, endurance,and skill helped after getting mortar mix thrown in his eyes.
About the only way someone will fight me "hand to hand is to attack me in the police station or courthouse or some other criminal safety zone. Even then if I've got a Bic pen, I'll be trying to see how good he can fight after I ram the entire length of that pen into him with the heel of my palm.
You can see in the traditional Japanese styles where Aikido techniques were derived. But where Aikido lets them down mussed or bruised, the traditional jujutsu breaks and tears.
Had a man tell me once that Brazilian jujutsu is the best one on one unarmed system in the world. I pondered and told him,"That might be so but it leaves you with two problems: finding me alone and finding me unarmed."
The old Japanese styles seem sort of strange to someone who is schooled in modern hard styles. Many of the strikes and kicks seem to be weak, short ranged, and less than the most effective. And they are, in fact, exactly that. Until you realize that the focus is totally different. The focus is fighting multiple opponents. Strong techniques that leave you off balance and out of position for the other opponents to strike are avoided in favor of sneaky crap that will get the target off balance for your associates to hammer.
There was a lot of work with improvised weapons. You've got the knife? Fine, I'll take a garden rake. Or a bat and a trash can lid. Or a shovel.
A study of the use of terrain can be of positive benefit. I've had people chase me into construction sites...to their regret. Don't follow me up a ladder. A loose concrete block and gravity make excellent allies against a stronger and faster opponent.
A study of strategic principles can be enlightening also. Many individual martial arts today boil down to-"hey, diddle diddle, straight up the middle." That's fine if you've got the superior skill, strength, endurance, and speed. Not so good if the other guy has the upper hand in those departments. Having the ability to shield your weaknesses from the opponent's strengths, while using your strengths to engage his weaknesses can go a long way. Another construction site fight-amazing how little his superior strength, speed, endurance,and skill helped after getting mortar mix thrown in his eyes.
About the only way someone will fight me "hand to hand is to attack me in the police station or courthouse or some other criminal safety zone. Even then if I've got a Bic pen, I'll be trying to see how good he can fight after I ram the entire length of that pen into him with the heel of my palm.
This is defeatist thinking usually put forth by the systems that are most inefficient at dealing with these situatuions. You can become adept at any situation if you focus on that as a goal, develop realistic, useable strategies and train them in the right manner.
Furthermore, I've seen some fight footage where one person handles multiples and they weren't skilled at all. Just went crazy hitting everyone....oh, I rarely see fights go to the ground outside of a competition setting. Heck, nowdays a large # of MMA fights don't even go to the ground...talk about irony. That oft quoted 90+% "fights end up on the ground" figure is from an LAPD use of force study. Cops choose to take perps down because it's easier to cuff them and control them without hurting them. Cops almost always have superior numbers as well.
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