Miami_JBT
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Bayonet drills stopped being a prerequisite for basic training in the Army in 2010. But last I heard, Drill Sergeants still work it into the curriculum. I believe the Marines still teach it as part of their martial arts program too.
Bayonet on rifle? Yes or No?
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Miami_JBT
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I haven't heard that. That the USMC ceased issuing the OKC bayonet.
Miami_JBT
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Everyone has been cut or stabbed and knows the feeling and doesn't like it. Bayonets are amazing physiological tools for crowd control.
armoredman
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We didn't have on board ship I can remember. I have mentioned that an armed response team to a prison riot might get more attention if they had nice shiny bayonets fixed...they didn't like that idea.
Doing some research, I may have been mistaken. I can't find much current info but the most current says they are still technically in use. But are rarely used.
I also have a Marine brother-in-law who served in Iraq in 1991 and again in 2005. They had issued them in 1991 but were not in 2005. In fact, they were forbidden to carry any personal fixed blade knives, only folders.
When I purchased the 2 surplus bayonets, I was led to believe that it was because they were being phased out.
AlexanderA
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It's worth noting that three different generations of bayonets could be mounted on M1 Garand rifles:
1. Krag bayonets. West Point cadets used to do this.
2. M1905 Springfield bayonets (long) and M1 bayonets (short). Basically the same attachment system.
3. M5 bayonets, based on the M3 fighting knife. A late-type gas cylinder lock screw has to be used for this.
1. Krag bayonets. West Point cadets used to do this.
2. M1905 Springfield bayonets (long) and M1 bayonets (short). Basically the same attachment system.
3. M5 bayonets, based on the M3 fighting knife. A late-type gas cylinder lock screw has to be used for this.
Interesting. I need to research my A F H. I know it has a Greek scabbard.
Lefty38-55
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This post is inherently discriminatory ... as my flintlock smoothbore Blunderbuss (aka 'Donderbusche' or Thunder Pipe in early Dutch) takes offense ... LOL 
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P5 Guy
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Hurricane Irma knocked my electric out for 6 days.
Sitting on the front porch with my M1 Garand and mounted 16-inch bayonet was propped up in the corner. I doubt any neighbors noticed it.
Sitting on the front porch with my M1 Garand and mounted 16-inch bayonet was propped up in the corner. I doubt any neighbors noticed it.
Alaskamike
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Bayonets and battle rifles go together like peas and carrots. You just can't have one without the other.
I tried to attach my chainsaw to my M1 years ago, but I found that it threw off the balance too much. It also required way too much duct tape.
I tried to attach my chainsaw to my M1 years ago, but I found that it threw off the balance too much. It also required way too much duct tape.
Garands, 1903 Springfields, and K98 Mausers.
I have found various info on what kind goes on which one.
I now have - various - bayonets that fit them, but I never have figured
out which one the Garands get. I read where the long one was on them first then the shorter one.
The K98s, I can't remember which they are, but I believe they have noters attached.
Of course, they can't be stored with the bayonet attached in a safe with a top shelf.
For someone who isn't a fanatic over them I sure have several.
I have found various info on what kind goes on which one.
I now have - various - bayonets that fit them, but I never have figured
out which one the Garands get. I read where the long one was on them first then the shorter one.
The K98s, I can't remember which they are, but I believe they have noters attached.
Of course, they can't be stored with the bayonet attached in a safe with a top shelf.
For someone who isn't a fanatic over them I sure have several.
Sounds like that would be better for Zombies. Just like the movie -Army of Darkness-, Bruce Campbell and all his other stuff.
While I wouldn’t want to find out, is that bayonet mounted solidly mounted?This post is inherently discriminatory ... as my flintlock smoothbore Blunderbuss (aka 'Donderbusche' or Thunder Pipe in early Dutch) takes offense ... LOL
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nettlle
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If I ever have a need to bayonet something I might consider it. Right now the opportunities for bayoneting something are far and few between.
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Here’s my contribution to the pictorials. SIG SWAT 556. Came with the bayonet. My father (ret 82nd AA and 101st) used to say knives don’t jam. I suppose that goes for bayonets as well.
And on the topic of bayonets in general: The last bayonet charge by a US military unit was in Korea in 1951 led by the officer in charge Army Capt Lewis Lee Millet, a native son of Mechanicsville Maine. For his gallantry he was awarded the MoH.
He came back on the 50th anniversary of the charge in 2001 and received a hero’s escort up Bayonet Hill (Hill 180) on Osan Air Base, South Korea. I saw the peacekeepers spitting spent blank brass like rain that day as they rolled towards the top with him on one.
And on the topic of bayonets in general: The last bayonet charge by a US military unit was in Korea in 1951 led by the officer in charge Army Capt Lewis Lee Millet, a native son of Mechanicsville Maine. For his gallantry he was awarded the MoH.
He came back on the 50th anniversary of the charge in 2001 and received a hero’s escort up Bayonet Hill (Hill 180) on Osan Air Base, South Korea. I saw the peacekeepers spitting spent blank brass like rain that day as they rolled towards the top with him on one.
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I was a tanker in the army and the main gun didn’t have a means to mount bayonet……
…..but it would be awesome if it did.
…..but it would be awesome if it did.
Ignition Override
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If I often were near swampy water in Flarda, a bayo on a rifle could help somebody feel safer.
Chomp.
Chomp.
Lefty38-55
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Yes, the mount is silver soldered to the muzzle on the blunderbuss …
DeepSouth
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I’ve never really thought about it, but apparently I buy them, put them on, remove them and never put them on again. Lol
Don’t tell my wife.
Don’t tell my wife.
Some_Mook
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Depends on the particular Mosin if it was sighted to have a bayonet attached or not. M1891 Infantry and Dragoon rifles were sighted from the factory for having bayonets attached. The Cossack models were not. Obviously Finn variants were not sighted for having a bayonet attached, and if you have a captured rifle which may have originally been sighted for having the bayonet attached, the sights may have been readjusted before the weapon was reissued. At 100yds or less, the difference in accuracy would probably be negligible.
Some_Mook
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Kind of a Counter-Factual question, but I wonder if Rosenbaum would have tried to grab Kyle Rittenhouse's gun by the barrel had a bayonet been attached? Might have done so if he was amped up enough, but most people would probably give pause. One might think the gun holder 'won't actually shoot me' but pretty much anyone grabbing for a blade would expect to get cut.
CapnMac
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I've been collecting USN Militaria since 1991, so, I have a Lot Of The Things (so, I actually have LBE for all this, and in the several LBE "generations" too)
SC 03A3 with a USN Mk I
Springfield Garand with M1 ('43 AFH)
Saginaw M1 Carbine with M4
All three:
I've got an M5 Garand bayonet on KW issue webbing (not shown)
And an M6 M-14 bayonet on M-1961 782 gear (not shown) too.
Did not skip over the 'modern era' either. (Other than no longer having an AR-15A1, sigh)
So, AR-15A2 with M7 bayonet
Also with M9 Bayonet
And, of course, the absurdity of an M4gery with M9 bayonet
Side Note USMC had dropped Pugil Stick Training around '99 or so to limit injuries during Boot Camp.
So, they doubled down on Bayonet Training as a result.
That police changed about 2018, and dropped bayonet drills for "Combatives" which uses a much more padded Pugil Stick.
My 1970 Landing Party Manual includes Drill (Manual of Arms) for Bayonet Port Arms, and Bayonet Guard Arms (From Port Arms or Bayonet PA, left foot moves on step forward, rifle butt to right hip, and weapon presented directly forward with bayonet at shoulder high).
SC 03A3 with a USN Mk I
Springfield Garand with M1 ('43 AFH)
Saginaw M1 Carbine with M4
All three:
I've got an M5 Garand bayonet on KW issue webbing (not shown)
And an M6 M-14 bayonet on M-1961 782 gear (not shown) too.
Did not skip over the 'modern era' either. (Other than no longer having an AR-15A1, sigh)
So, AR-15A2 with M7 bayonet
Also with M9 Bayonet
And, of course, the absurdity of an M4gery with M9 bayonet
Side Note USMC had dropped Pugil Stick Training around '99 or so to limit injuries during Boot Camp.
So, they doubled down on Bayonet Training as a result.
That police changed about 2018, and dropped bayonet drills for "Combatives" which uses a much more padded Pugil Stick.
My 1970 Landing Party Manual includes Drill (Manual of Arms) for Bayonet Port Arms, and Bayonet Guard Arms (From Port Arms or Bayonet PA, left foot moves on step forward, rifle butt to right hip, and weapon presented directly forward with bayonet at shoulder high).
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JTHunter
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IIRC, the bayonet bracket on the rifle is one of those "features" banned in IL-ANNOY. 
That's why I voted "No". Besides, isn't the whole idea of a "rifle" is to keep them further away? I would just as soon choose to keep them WAY beyond "bayonet range".
That's why I voted "No". Besides, isn't the whole idea of a "rifle" is to keep them further away? I would just as soon choose to keep them WAY beyond "bayonet range".
