I was in a gun shop this afternoon and the topic of the beretta slide being easily taken of by an attacker. You know, like in lethal weapon 4 I think it is where the bad guy just grabs Mel Gibson's 92fs and pulls the slide off... Anyway, I was pretty sure that they fixed this problem on all new berettas correct? The gun shop employee was convinced that they only corrected this problem on models distributed to the military and police agencies?
Beretta - Pulling the slide off
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BerettaNut92
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I think it was 'corrected' on one of the Custom Carry models, but not on anything else.
Not really a problem, but Rackie Chan and Jet Ri and us other crazy Chinese Berettasringers scared Hollywood and as a result, the rest of the world into fixing a problem that doesn't really exist.
Not sure if there's any documented cases of this ever happening, anyone else care to weigh in?
Not really a problem, but Rackie Chan and Jet Ri and us other crazy Chinese Berettasringers scared Hollywood and as a result, the rest of the world into fixing a problem that doesn't really exist.
Not sure if there's any documented cases of this ever happening, anyone else care to weigh in?
Al Thompson
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IIRC, it was "fixed" on all the new pistols - but, reallly, it's a stunt. The nice thing about that gun grab is that your attacker can't use it even if he disarms you.
If I can get my hands on your handgun, I can keep it from firing, regardless of make. Best solution is to never let someone get their hands on your HG. If they do, start pulling the trigger.
If I can get my hands on your handgun, I can keep it from firing, regardless of make. Best solution is to never let someone get their hands on your HG. If they do, start pulling the trigger.
Tamara
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Most handguns have had a "Felon Repulsion Lever" installed to prevent this. It is located where you would find the "Stuck Bayonet Extraction Lever" on a military rifle.
That was quick.....
The employee seemed to think that crooks were somehow learning to do this in prison.....and that is why the Ohio State Patrol stopped using them????
Good point Al.....pulling the trigger would be an excellent solution
The employee seemed to think that crooks were somehow learning to do this in prison.....and that is why the Ohio State Patrol stopped using them????
Good point Al.....pulling the trigger would be an excellent solution
Al Thompson
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Ayoob had an article or 30 on this subject. IIRC, someone videotaped a training session in a prision exercise yard. So your gunshop commando isn't wrong. Ayoob took a hard look at the issue and noted that rendering the firearm useless was much better than taking it away from you so he can shoot you with it.
critter
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Tamara, I LOVE your reply! So true-so true!
Island Beretta
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The Beretta in LW 4 had its slide released. All Jet Li had to do was pull the slide.
The slide release setup on the Beretta is one of the better setups to remove a slide - simple,fast and safe. Practice your gun retention skills and basic self-defence.
The slide release setup on the Beretta is one of the better setups to remove a slide - simple,fast and safe. Practice your gun retention skills and basic self-defence.
10-Ring
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Never let crazy Asian, martial artist, actor types near your gun...the advice re: "start pulling the trigger" makes alot of sense. Even crazy Asian, martial artist, actor types aren't bullet proof
You guys aren't actually implying that this is possible to do in real life are you?
The last time I remember seeing this question, it was said that it was a PURE hollywood stunt, no more.
Regardless, if you allow anyone to get close enough to you and your gun that they can disassemble it, you just weren't meant to live through that encounter....
The last time I remember seeing this question, it was said that it was a PURE hollywood stunt, no more.
Regardless, if you allow anyone to get close enough to you and your gun that they can disassemble it, you just weren't meant to live through that encounter....
Al Thompson
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Oh yeah, it's possible. Guy I worked with was very good at it. It's amazing what a bored gunshop commando can do to pass the time on slow days. He never took me up on my offer to do it a round chambered though. 
He never took me up on my offer to do it a round chambered though. meathammer
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You can also disable the Beretta 92/96 and some other semis by pushing on the muzzle, taking it out of battery. I guess this is all part or knowing your weapon and it's limitations. Don't let anyone grab your weapon. Period.
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No, it's not possible to remove the slide with a loaded mag inserted. It's scary how people get their facts from films. I imagine some people that watched LOTR believe Middle Earth was real.
The famous Ayoob prison yard film proves nothing. For all they know the prisoners could've been practicing how to shive a guy.
The famous Ayoob prison yard film proves nothing. For all they know the prisoners could've been practicing how to shive a guy.
El Tejon
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[El Tejon looking around nervously]
Uh, someone I know pretty well, used to demonstrate this to customers when he sold guns. Of course, the customer cooperated. It's a parlor trick, nothing more that Hollywood picked up on used with cooperative actors who get to do a scene over and over.
IME, if you try this in a retention class, you will end up on the floor as your partner laughs at you.
Uh, someone I know pretty well, used to demonstrate this to customers when he sold guns. Of course, the customer cooperated. It's a parlor trick, nothing more that Hollywood picked up on used with cooperative actors who get to do a scene over and over.
IME, if you try this in a retention class, you will end up on the floor as your partner laughs at you.
Thumper
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Try it...you can do it REAL fast with very little practice. If you're bored.
Note, however, that Tam's felon repulsion lever tends to render the activity moot.
Note, however, that Tam's felon repulsion lever tends to render the activity moot.
Mike Irwin
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It's only believed by the people who also believe that a shotgun blast will pick someone up and throw them backwards 50 feet through a plate glass window.
If you let a potential hostile get close enough to you to grab your gun, you've got bigger problems no matter how you cut it.
Plus, you're stupid.
If you let a potential hostile get close enough to you to grab your gun, you've got bigger problems no matter how you cut it.
Plus, you're stupid.
Walt Sherrill
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Prison Yard Training!!
I know, I know, with our new lax practices, just anyone can have a replica gun in prison.
This "prison yard" story sounds bogus to me. I find it hard to believe that 1) someone would have a real-enough facsimile or model to be useful 2) that somebody wouldn'tve ratted them out, or 3) that if a video could be made, that guards wouldn't be able to see it taking place, etc
I know, I know, with our new lax practices, just anyone can have a replica gun in prison.
George Hill
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This just proves one thing and one thing only...
Don't get into close quarters battle with Jet Li on a Sound Stage.
NEXT!
Don't get into close quarters battle with Jet Li on a Sound Stage.
NEXT!
chevrofreak
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place hand ontop of gun. use thumb to press the release lock button (dont know the appropriate name). use index finger to press magazine release, while simultaniously rotating the slide release lever (not the proper name either). then pull the slide assembly foreward off the frame.
i can do it, but not fast enough to matter.
i can do it, but not fast enough to matter.
ktd
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a police officer pointed that out to me once. I put my pistol down, leaned over and hit his cylinder release on his Smith 67 and dumped all his rounds out on the table. He was annoyed with me for a while.
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