SkinnyGrey
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Which is the most durable/dependable assault rifle besides an AK-47?
Besides an AK-47
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very funny. ok, not including an ak-74.
AKS
AKM
Chinese Type 56
Finnish Rk 62/76 and Rk 95 TP
Yugoslav Zastava M76 and M77/82
Galil
Modern AR 15/M4
Do keep in mind that an "assault rifle" is the selective fire military weapon instead of the civilian semiauto variants.
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Chinese Type 56
Finnish Rk 62/76 and Rk 95 TP
Yugoslav Zastava M76 and M77/82
Galil
Modern AR 15/M4
Do keep in mind that an "assault rifle" is the selective fire military weapon instead of the civilian semiauto variants.
I don't know if it is the ruggedest
but do not discount the AR. Go look at some of vids on you tube torture test ing the AK and the AR and you may come away with a different opinion. Despite all the negative talk about the ARs over the past 30 plus years it has stood the test of time and remains one of the most copied designs ever. But just to be on the safe side I own both.
but do not discount the AR. Go look at some of vids on you tube torture test ing the AK and the AR and you may come away with a different opinion. Despite all the negative talk about the ARs over the past 30 plus years it has stood the test of time and remains one of the most copied designs ever. But just to be on the safe side I own both.
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vz-58 ( Maybe)
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A GOOD AR-15/ m-4
Remember just like in the AK world the various makers and operators will also determine just how reliable a rifle is.
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A GOOD AR-15/ m-4
Remember just like in the AK world the various makers and operators will also determine just how reliable a rifle is.
+1 on SKS.. an type M will even allow use of AK mags so the 10rd fixed mag issue most have with goes away. Other than that, I'd say a Mauser variant or a Mosin variant- yes, it's a bolt gun, but once upon a time they WERE the definitive "assault rifle".
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If you are talking autoloaders, the FAL can't be far down the list. Of rifles I've owned I'd say it is definitely second, if not tied for first.
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but do not discount the AR. Go look at some of vids on you tube torture test ing the AK and the AR and you may come away with a different opinion. Despite all the negative talk about the ARs over the past 30 plus years it has stood the test of time and remains one of the most copied designs ever. But just to be on the safe side I own both.
I did the same but my AK is in 5.56 so I can share the ammo.
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I am in Connecticut so I can't get an AK. Any chance the AK will ever be legal in CT?
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Well, you was doing good 'til the endhso said:
You mean the ones where the gas tube melts from the heat and stops the train in it's tracks?CZ223 said:
The AR15 platform is only "durable" if you clean it often. There are numerous documented occurrences of our boys dieing overseas because their AR15 design literally pooped out on them, leaving them with a high-tech club in the middle of a firefight.
No "maybes" about it. The Vz58 can keep up with the AK any day of the week (do not equate "numbers in use" with "durability")Izzy77 said:
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the m-14/m1a series served me well for a long time, took a beating, got dragged thru the mud, never failed on me. The ak series is a rugged weapon to be sure, the top 10 on the military channel rated the m-16 series as #2, the m-14 as #10 and the ak as #1. the fn fal and styer bullpup were also included.
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See this thread in the saiga-12 forums about AKs in Conn. It's a couple years old though, so I don't know if the information is up to date.
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As for the civilian AR15s, I've put literally hundreds of rounds through mine in between cleanings without so much as a hiccup in the reliability department.
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Sig5XX series.
If you live in CT the AK74 is perfectly legal. Tactical Arms in Torrington sells them, as does a very cool Asian guy(forgot his name) at a lot of the CT gunshows.
Sadly thanks to our communist state a lot of gun stores won't even touch AK74's.
If you live in CT the AK74 is perfectly legal. Tactical Arms in Torrington sells them, as does a very cool Asian guy(forgot his name) at a lot of the CT gunshows.
Sadly thanks to our communist state a lot of gun stores won't even touch AK74's.
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are they as reliable as ak 47s?
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In the military M4 torture test vid I'm thinking of, the gas tube held out under sustained full-auto fire, magazine after magazine, until the barrel melted and burst, so they thickened the barrel a bit, and in the second test it went long enough to melt the gas tube instead. In the second case, the rifle, barrel glowing red, was STILL usable as a straight-pull bolt action even after the gas tube melted and the handguards were on fire.
AR's run fine dirty as long as they are lubricated every once in a while, just like M1A's, Garands, and SKS's.
BTW, a rifle cannot literally poop out, only figuratively poop out. (Sorry, I was an English major, LOL.)
Are civilian AK-74 lookalikes as reliable as civilian AK-47 lookalikes? Yes. The only significant difference is the caliber.
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I would believe that a piston activated M16/4 would be the best. The actions are not the problem, the gas system is. And if you go with the AR you have that GYNORMOUS AFTERMARKET to use.
I would consider an FAL a Main Battle Rifle...BUT besides having to pogo them sometimes, they are reliable. My dad's has thousands of crap ammo through it, and almost no issues...
+1 on the FAL.
I have to say, I've sorely abused my Vz 58 and not had one hiccup other than ammo related (recessed primers in one batch of russian ammo). You'd have to ask a czech soldier about real world reliability in terms of combat, but I like the ergonomics, the lrbho and the weight a lot better than my AKs and it has proven just as reliable.
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Mini-14's from the 70's are still going strong today. I think that says something good about them.
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My Knights Armament SR-15 E3 has been just as reliable as my AK-47's. The only difference is that I have to run it with a wet bolt. I put 600 rounds through it in a gun course without any malfunctions.
As for alternatives, I'd give the FAL and M1A a look since they're currently in production.
Since the AK-74 is available to Connecticut residents, why not get an Arsenal AK-74? They're top line. Just add an UltimAK rail and an Aimpoint Micro. Commence firing cheap ammo at a measly 12-15 cents a shot.
As for alternatives, I'd give the FAL and M1A a look since they're currently in production.
Since the AK-74 is available to Connecticut residents, why not get an Arsenal AK-74? They're top line. Just add an UltimAK rail and an Aimpoint Micro. Commence firing cheap ammo at a measly 12-15 cents a shot.
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