best bang for about $400 or less

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i have only owned 2 pistols a interarms 45 acp 1911 and a ruger P89 9mm. the 45 i could not shoot it worth a darn i flinched like crazy with it. i was lucky to hit a out house at 10' only shot less than 100 rounds in it sold it. 20 yrs later i got the ruger P89 i did better with the p89 but needed money so had to sell it with only 50 rounds . so 6 or so years later i'm looking to buy a auto loader again this time going to keep it no matter what. now thanks to the good old USA's stimulus check i'm going to buy a pistol on them. what i'm looking for one under $400.00 it will be first a plinker. second a bed stand gun. third ammo under $12.00-13.00 a box. is a 380 going to get the job done as a defense round or am i better off with a 9mm or a .45? i'm afraid with a .45 i will do the same flinching thing. any suggestions what to get ? was looking at bersa, hi-point, amscore. thanks for any idea's you might have.
 
Stoeger Cougar in 9mm or .40. NIB for roughly $350. Haven't had a single issue with mine, and run through about 100 rounds a week. It's the one I usually carry. Best buy for the money I've run across.
 
Ruger SR9, NIB for right around $400 with 2 mags. Thin (if you have smaller hands or prefer narrower grips), but holds 17+1.
 
Get one of the used Sig P6's being imported by the thousands, they're had for around 300 bucks. Most that I've seen show some significant holster wear, but almost no wear on the moving parts. I was somewhat skeptical at first with mine, but after one trip to the range I was amazed at it's accuracy. Just a thought...
 
CDNN has the Ruger P95's for $250 right now. Ruger might not have the allure of an HK or Sig but most owners report they are just as durable and reliable. Heck You'll have money left over for ammo. The S&W Sigmas with the rebate and two free mag deal represent a good value for a name brand gun.
 
I second the Stoeger cougar for $349 new! The Baretta Cougar was a great gun and for that price it's a bargain. Oh, did I mention I just bought one myself? I'll report on it Thursday night after I put a couple hundred rounds through it.
 
I'll throw out the suggestion for the EAA Witness nice full sized all metal gun based on the great CZ75 design. They go for like $350
 
Stoeger Cougar in 9mm or .40. NIB for roughly $350. Haven't had a single issue with mine, and run through about 100 rounds a week. It's the one I usually carry. Best buy for the money I've run across.

x2! I'd go with the .40. That's just me. Both Cougars cost the same.
 
leserz:

I've just wrapped up many weeks worth of research/shopping so I'll drop my two pennies in the jar...

First, in terms of caliber, I'd steer you to 9mm. A perfectly acceptable SD round with less snap than the .40. As for flinching, get some snap caps and dry practice as much as possible!

To simplify the recommendations you've gotten, I'll divide them into 1st Tier manufacturers (e.g, Glock, Smith and Wesson, Steyr) and 2nd Tier (e.g., Taurus, Bersa, Stoeger). IMO, this is basically about price and reputation, and less about design and function.

It will be VERY tough to find a new 1st Tier gun like the Glock or Smith M&P in your price range (<$400). If you are interested in these pistols, used will be the way to go and it will be FAR easier to find a used Glock than a used M&P. The Smith is just too new for a lot of used examples to be floating around. They are out there, but you've got to be patient. I found a like-new used M&P9 (full size) for $399 with four 17 rnd. mags and a holster, but it took me about two months. :eek:

I owned a G17 (the first Glock) and liked it a lot. However with my smallish hands, there is NO comparison in comfort. The M&P's ergonomics are light years ahead. The Glock grip feels like a bar of soap to me now. YMMV.

The Sigma was S&W's first attempt at a Glock competitor. It had some VERY bad teething problems which are worked out by now. Coupled with Smith's rebate, it's fairly inexpensive. I just think the M&P is head and shoulders better ergonomically. Another point to recommend either Smith is that their customer service is excellent!

An Austrian polymer pistol like the Glock, the Steyr M9 is an interesting gun with a few atypical traits like triangular sites and an odd trigger safety. It's been replaced by the Steyr M1A pistol which is almost definitely out of your price range. The Steyrs are good guns if a little quirky.

The Stoeger is nice too. Turkish-made but Beretta designed. All steel, so heavier. It has a rotary barrel locking mechanism (vs. the more common tilt-lock) which is inherently more accurate and allows a higher grip more in line with the barrel axis. This is supposed to translate into less muzzle flip and lower perceived recoil. (I can't vouch for that as I haven't shot the gun.) When I handled the pistol, I felt it was more "blocky," like the Glock. I also thought that rear sights were poor; they were far too narrow for me, but this could easily be changed.

Ruger semi-autos, regardless of model, have always struck me as chunky, utilitarian guns. They are reputed to be very durable, but they don't do anything for me aesthetically.

RIA (Rock Island Armory) manufactures excellent, fairly inexpensive 1911 variants in the Philippines. They are the consensus bargain 1911. It sounds like your first .45 experience wasn't great, but if you want to get back on the horse, this would be a great way to go. Lots of folks think that there's no better fighting handgun than JM Browning's design.

I've got no experience with Bersa, but I've heard good things. Same with the EAA Witness line.

Sorry 'bout the length; this two cents has turned into two bucks!! :scrutiny: To summarize (and assuming 9mm):
Ask yourself...
1. Polymer or all steel?
Maybe this is a non-issue if it's not going to be a carry gun? Folks argue that both are superior at recoil reduction, polymer because it flexes slightly and all steel because it has more mass. Not sure they can both be right! :D
2. New or used?
You will usually get "more" gun going used, provided the weapon has been maintained. (Although I read somewhere that the average US firearm is shot less than 50 times!)

People will tell you to shoot everything you can. This is easier said than done, especially if you can't find a range with a good selection of rental guns. I'd suggest you search the interwebs for a shooters forum in your home state. Mine has range get-togethers where noobs are welcome to try different guns.

Good luck!
 
M&Ps and Glocks can be readily obtained for under 400 bucks. No doubt they are the BEST in that category for me.
 
My stimulus is going for a Taurus 24/7 Pro in 9mm.Go check one out, most comfortable grips of any gun I've ever owned and I'm somewhere north of 50 now.Fit and finish is right up there with the $750 pistols. I had a new a new Glock there side by side and there was no comparison.Much to the chagrin of the salesman, I field stripped the Taurus at the counter in about 30 seconds, when he was busy with another customer...Well he didn't tell me , not to!Worse thing was, I didn't buy it at the time, but I did reassemble it, good as new!
 
I'm going to second the CZ-82 for about $200, especially as you have a flinching problem. The 9x18 round is less powerful than the rounds the rest of the pistols suggested shoot, and being of all steel construction the weight helps soak up the recoil. It is a double stack that holds 12+1 rounds. It can be fired single or double action, and all the controls are ambidextrous. If you fire it double action, you don't have to worry about sweeping the safety. It is a very accurate, easy to shoot pistol. The pointability is excellent. It is small enough to be easily concealed if you ever decide to go that route.
Edit: Use the $$ you save to buy ammo to practice with.
 
I own a SW Sigma in 9mm and can vouch for the reliability, and comfort of carry. However, I would advise you towards something like the stoeger Cougar. My friend has one, and I actually find myself preferring it to my sigma. It is more comfortable to hold, and has a much lighter trigger pull when in SA mode. Though it may not be very comfortable for concealed carry, since you seem primarily interested in target shooting and bed stand home defense, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I've also found that the rotary barrel of the stoeger is magnificent when it comes to accuracy--even at longer ranges.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I love my sigma, but would go with a cougar if I could do it again. As for caliber, I shoot a 9mm because of the price of ammo, but most of my research and reading (note, not personal experience) indicates that the .40 is a significantly better self defense round.
 
wow i was not expecting this many reply s . i did like the feel of 1911 i have smaller hands and the thiner grip was nice to me and the safety is easy and big . i liked the idea of the safety is on both sides. i have bad arthritis in my right hand and losing mussel fast. so i will need to switch to shooting left handed one of theses days. so i think i'm leaning toward a 1911 now what one to get ? i gave up way to fast on the 1911 plus i love the looks of one. i would like to step up to the next step over a military spec. model.
 
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