Best of these three 9mm's?

[Harley Quinn]

Ruger

I know and have seen many fired and shot at ranges. It is not my preference.
They are sturdy and good guns. Range's use them a lot for their rentals. For those who want a safety, and a strong gun, inexpensive.

Glocks scare some off because of the trigger and what looks to be no safety.
They are safe as long as you don't touch the trigger.

HQ

 

[Walt Sherrill]

The Rugers have no "style" but are solid, reliable and generally accurate guns. One of my first was a P-95 (which I'd recommend over the P-85 or P-89). I traded it in on a SIG 239 which didn't fit my hand, and which didn't shoot appreciably better.

The CZ-75B, the Ruger P-89 (or P-95), the refurbed Glock 17 (a great deal and a good gun), one of the refurbed SIGs, or even a Beretta (not my favorite gun) are good choices. Go with what fits your hand and wallet best.

 

[Lonestar]

The MPA is a POS. Look at the corny tactical movie they have on Masterpiece's web site. A guy jumps out of a YELLOW Humvee and shoots at various targets. The guy seems to have a tough time shooting the thing, and he works for the company. You can simple get a 30 round Magazine for a Glock or a Ruger 95 (Cabela's sells them) and have something a lot more accurate, and reliable. I hear good and bad about Hi-point, but I heard more positive things about their carbines. Its probably a lot more reliable than the MPA. That being said I would not trust one to be the only firearm to defend my family with. If you were just going to use it at the range, I would say go for it, but for about the same price as the HP Carbine I would buy a Remmy or Mossy pump shotgun for home defense. So out of the 3, Ruger 1st, Hi-point a distant 2nd, and don't even bother with the MPA .

 

[Big Gay Al]

Get an EAA Witness. They can be had for UNDER $400.00, and in several different calibers.

Everyone has their own opinion. Get what you like the best.

 

[Seismic Sam]

I'm with Big Gay Al...

EAA's in ANY caliber are $369 NIB, and if I remember correctly the 9mm and 38 Super hold EIGHTEEN rounds. DA/SA so you can carry with the hammer down, and ergonomics BETTER than a 1911!!

The guns are also super strong, and the WF is very durable.

 

[Big Gay Al]

Yup, 18+1, according to EAA's site. Or you can get 15+1 in 10mm or .40S&W. My Witness is in .45ACP, but I'm hoping to get several conversion kits next year, with the help of my income tax refund.

FYI, if you want one that will work with ALL the production conversion kits, get one that's in either .45ACP, or 10mm, as the 9mm/.40 is supposed to be slightly smaller in dimension, and reportedly won't work with all conversion kits.


This is MY Witness.

 

[Dirty Bob]

Of your list, I'd take the Ruger. I think I'd rather go with a CZ or Browning Hi Power, both of which would be easier to carry, although the Rugers seem to shoot well and last forever, with few problems. Big Gay Al's suggestion of the Witness is a great idea, too. Try shooting as many as possible, and then make your choice.

If you want a carbine, I'd prefer the Kel-Tec (Glock 17 grip). Folded, it can go in a laptop case, briefcase, sports bag, whatever, and it takes inexpensive, 33-rd. Glock mags.

Buy a good quality gun, and it will probably give you a lifetime of service. If you try it for a while and don't like it, you can probably sell it and get most of your money back.

Best wishes,
Dirty Bob

 

[weregunner]

Still love the Rugers.P89: Full size steel pistol sits in the hand and durable .DAO or double action. Feels solid ,shoot well. P94; 4 in. barrel, all steel. Same comments as P89.P93;3.9in barrel.Same comments as P89.P95olymer frame 3.9in.barrel .Lighter weight for people into that kind of thing.And all the above are accurate ,durable,and inexpensive.

 

[Dirty Bob]

Weregunner:
Aren't the Ruger P-series aluminum-framed guns? I don't own one, but I've tried several. They're big, tough, reliable brutes, but I think they'd be quite heavy if all-steel.

Just wondering,
Dirty Bob

 

[Harley Quinn]

Ruger P-Series

Hi all.

Click on the link it will explain the Rugers and why I prefer them over the others.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg05-e.htm

HQ

 

[Impala]

I'm now leaning solely towards the Ruger P series, I don't even know why I included that crappy MPA junker, now maybe if it was an M10/11 ....
I have heard a lot of mixed reviews for the Hi-point carbines, my original idea was to make it look like a Beretta CX4 carbine, with an ATI stock they do sort of, but I suppose there is no substitute for quality.

I would really like a good aluminum frame, not a polymer frame, they don't appeal to me at all. I'm happy to see that Lasermax is going to start making their laser sight units for the Ruger P series I don't mind that they have no "style" as it's reliable functioning that i'm concerned about. I like a nice solid block of a pistol, as long as it is still practical.

 

[MCgunner]

I love this site. Guy asks specifically about Ruger/MPA/HiPoint carbine and gets "buy CZ" "buy 1911" "buy HiPower" "buy anything but the above specific guns".

Of the three, Ruger for certain. My two P series guns are excellent and there are none better on the market IMHO. I mean, if it's accurate, it's rugged enough to last three lifetimes, and it's 100 percent reliable with anything you wish to feed it, how can it be any better at any price???? My old P85's trigger is a little stiff in DA and a little heavier in SA than my quite excellent P90. One thing, I got to looking at weights of guns and was amazed that the big P90 .45, a physically thicker gun, is 5 ounces LIGHTER than the P85... I knew it felt a bit lighter and it seemed more comfy during extended daily wear. I'd never looked at the weight of the P85, though. Jeez, if the slide is that heavy, there ain't a 9mm load you could stuff in that gun that would hurt it! It's 38 ounces and has a very light aluminum frame. All the weight is in the slide.


Anyway, to answer directly the question, RUGER. Now, I have been thinking of getting a CZ, but they're more expensive than Ruger. The one I was looking at, PCR, alloy frame 14 shot, is no lighter than a P95 that weighs the same, yet it's over 200 bucks more money. I'm still looking at compact high capacity 9s. I had a P95 once and traded it...:banghead: I'm thinking something between the P85/P90 in size and my P11 Kel Tec. If they weren't so high and were hi cap guns (they're single stack) I absolutely LOVE the Smith and Wesson 3913 and have wanted one off and on for a while. I might decide I don't need the high capacity if I could come up with the admission price. S&W thinks those things are made of gold or something.

 

[R12GS]

Out of the three the Ruger P89 is the only choice. Since others have already stated their favorites here is one of mine; get a Beretta 92FS.

 

[TimboKhan]

It's subjective, I suppose, but I think the Ruger is the king of that group.

 

[Jeff Timm]

Of the three go for the Ruger.

You might also look at the S&W Sigma 9VE (the late model) now selling for $310 new here in FL at the bigger gun shops. It has a smaller grip, but is a plastic framed gun.

Geoff
Who is pleased with the Sigma, I have fired rental Rugers and the grips are large and the trigger pull difficult.

 

[bestseller92]

Ruger, Ruger, a thousand times Ruger!

 

[jon_in_wv]

I'm also going to be guilty of introducing "d" when we're talking about ABC. If the poster asked about the MPA I'm guessing he's not a gun guru. Get a 38/257 revolver or a good shotgun and get out to the range and let an instrustor give you some lessons. You'll be better served and a lot safer.

 

[weregunner]

I have to throw myself on the mercy of the court.Rugers are aluminum framed.:banghead: Sorry about that folks.The P95s,97s,and 345 are polymer.It was San Andreas' fault. Right? Oh well. Thought I would correct that last post of mine.

 

[PX15]

It's my opinion that Ruger makes wonderful REVOLVERS...

It's my opinion that Ruger makes UGLY, HEAVY CENTERFIRE PISTOLS..



J. Pomeroy

P.S. I think the Ruger "Standard" 22 pistol is a fantastic plinker.. I love my Security-Six 357mag, and I have a pristine Ruger Single-Six Convertible revolver all nicely stored away for my Son..

But:

Did I mention Ruger makes UGLY, HEAVY CENTERFIRE PISTOLS?

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

 

[Dirty Bob]

On the other hand, I really wouldn't feel the least bit deprived if my home defense handgun was a Ruger P-series pistol. They may not be a first choice for a carry gun, but they work very well and don't seem to break!

Regards,
Dirty Bob

 

[PX15]

Dirty Bob:

I'll concede that.

I think my prejudice with the Ruger Centerfires originated many years ago when the first Ruger 99mm's were released. The first series were horrible and had tons of problems, and being a Ruger lover I was sorely disappointed. I had saved my money to buy one, but my buddy beat me to it and his Ruger was absolute crap..

As it is on todays firearms market there are just too many options in the 9mm line of pistols that are not ugly, and not heavy... I chose those.

But, this is just one man's opinion, and that man is a senior citizen opinionated old fart, so don't pay me any attention.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

 

[MCgunner]

It's my opinion that Ruger makes wonderful REVOLVERS...

It's my opinion that Ruger makes UGLY, HEAVY CENTERFIRE PISTOLS..

Here, let me finish that for you...


....UGLY, HEAVY CENTERFIRE PISTOLS....THAT WORK!

I'm not sure why people think you can't carry a Ruger concealed. The P95 and P97 are quite compact and as light as a lot of guns people recommend, under 30 ounces. I'm thinkin' of getting another P95, maybe. they're quite affordable.

Even my P90 is only 33 ounces dry and carries quite easily so long as you can cover it without bulging. I've got two ways of doing that, large Hawaiian style shirts that are baggy as a tent with arms and a selection of light vests I can put over my un-tucked T shirt in cooler months, works great IWB in a Milt Sparks Summer Special. It sure the heck ain't no pocket gun, of course. But, it's light enough it's not the burden, say, a 40+ ounce 1911 is all day. If I carried a 1911 style gun, I'd go for a lightweight commander and live happy. I'd be right at the weight of the P90. The P90 may be a little bulky, but it's not that heavy. The P97 carries better, of course, but it ain't like I can't carry that P90 when I feel the need.

I shoot that P90 better than I ever shot my 1911s or anything else I own. It fits my hand like a glove, points naturally, almost seems to aim itself sometimes like an extension of my hand. I can't quite do as well with my P85 for some reason and it's only slightly thinner in dimensions. The trigger isn't as good, but that's not it I don't think. The accuracy ain't the match quality of the P90, either, but IDPA ain't bullseye competition. I just seem to shoot that P90 best of anything I've yet fired. Might be all the matches I've shot with it, familiarity. But, if I know I'm going into a gun fight and have to use a handgun, that'd be my choice. Those 200 grain Speer hollow points are pretty impressive, too, at 400 ft lbs/950 fps. The only gripe I have with the P90 is the fact that on reloads, occasionally I have trouble getting the mag in the hole. Maybe a good smith could funnel that mag well a little to help that out. I need to look into that.

 

[PX15]

MCgunner:

Some folks think that 30oz (more or less) is a bit too "substantial" for continous cc...



Just as I've been unkind to Ruger Centerfires there are some folks out there who simply don't care for KelTecs either.. But, you "pays your money, and you takes your choice"......

But, my personal experience with my 9mm P11, and my 32cal P32 has been fantastic. Both firearms are reliable and accurate at self defense ranges.. Neither have had one problem, and I hope to buy a new slim 9 (PF-9) after they are released and all of the "hoopla" dies down a bit.

Variety is the spice of life, and each of us has a particular like or dislike when it comes to the simple things, much less important ones, like self defense weapons.... That's why (fortunately) we have options.

The only person you have to please with your Ruger pistol is yourself..... If you are happy, all is well in your world. Ruger makes excellent firearms, I just don't particularly care for the large centerfires... I'm not a Ruger "hater" as I mentioned I have two Rugers in the house myself.

JMOFO

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

 

[Big Gay Al]

I love this site. Guy asks specifically about Ruger/MPA/HiPoint carbine and gets "buy CZ" "buy 1911" "buy HiPower" "buy anything but the above specific guns".

First, I wasn't really replying to the very first post. But if I was, I likely still wouldn't have changed my message dramatically. The guy said he was "looking" at three specific guns, not that he was married to them, and he said he wanted to keep the price to UNDER $400.00. If he'd said under $500.00, then I would have recommended a Taurus instead. I've had more experience with them, and I love them to death.

My reasons for avoiding Ruger are political. But I'd have no problem recommending the Hi-Point.

And after all, EVERYONE has their own opinion. In the end, he has to make up his own mind, and pick what he likes best.

 

[jon_in_wv]

Between the three, I would definitely pick the Ruger. The agency I work for issued the Rugers for many years. Not my favorite guns but they do work and I don't think the average Joe would be ill served by one. I would avoid the MPA and the Hi-point if given a choice to buy something better. I'm not being gun snobby but the Hi-points seem pretty questionable in construction.