Best caliber for cats?
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308win
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I say we revert to the Middle ages; set the birders and the cat fanciers upon each other in the court room (the judge and referee); and his guilt or innocence hangs on the winners.
wuluf
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a pillowcase, a brick and a bridge....
unclewaldo
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well, buckstix website says a 12 pounder for cats.
How to Hunt Feral Cats in Wisconsin with a
12 pound Coehorn Mortar Cannon
...by: Buck Stix
http://www.buckstix.com/CoehornMortarHunt.htm
How to Hunt Feral Cats in Wisconsin with a
12 pound Coehorn Mortar Cannon
...by: Buck Stix
http://www.buckstix.com/CoehornMortarHunt.htm
hankdatank1362
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I'm suprised no one has tramped out the old tired line about the "Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range" or to "nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!"
You guys have shown great restraint, and I thank you all personally.
You guys have shown great restraint, and I thank you all personally.
trueblue1776
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A picture of THR's Biker:
The hat is a cat in case you were wondering.
The hat is a cat in case you were wondering.Well, I think I'm too new here to tell y'all how personally revolted I am about this thread. But I will anyway. Out of the five cats I've had over the last twenty years the cremains of four are resting in a little box with the cremains of out Newfie dog to be buried with US on that fateful day. I have one aging manx kitty left and she's a day to day thing right now. I'm sure my wife and I both will cry buckets when it's time to put her down, or she will roll over one day and pass away on her own. I love dogs AND I love cats. I think anybody who would deliberately cause pain to any creature whose survival is dependent on man to be slightly lower than a smelly POS.
Deer and elk however, are for eating. They don't need US to live. I took my first deer in 1978. When my sights settled on him I got "Buck Fever" so bad I couldn't squeeze the shot. So I closed my eyes and like a good little "Almost-an-Infantry-Lieutenant" I pretended real hard that the other end of that sight picture was resting on a Soviet soldier. THEN it was dead easy. A lot of liberals would whine that mindset makes ME the sicko.
How many old folks are kept alive by that warm purring body sleeping on their laps? Maybe YOUR mom? Everybody needs the love of somebody to keep going. Lots of old folks are too fragile to keep a dog so a cat is perfect. BTW, our cats have always been house cats.
Deer and elk however, are for eating. They don't need US to live. I took my first deer in 1978. When my sights settled on him I got "Buck Fever" so bad I couldn't squeeze the shot. So I closed my eyes and like a good little "Almost-an-Infantry-Lieutenant" I pretended real hard that the other end of that sight picture was resting on a Soviet soldier. THEN it was dead easy. A lot of liberals would whine that mindset makes ME the sicko.
How many old folks are kept alive by that warm purring body sleeping on their laps? Maybe YOUR mom? Everybody needs the love of somebody to keep going. Lots of old folks are too fragile to keep a dog so a cat is perfect. BTW, our cats have always been house cats.
Heh. The biker pic seems like a Shel Silverstein take on the Cat in the Hat.
The news media have gone wild with this story, but are there no ordinances requiring licensing, rabies and other vaccinations, and leashes or restraints for dogs and cats? Wouldn't the toll collector be incriminating himself by claiming ownership? If he gets immunity from the law, shouldn't the shooter?
Cats are wired to kill if given the chance. And they seem to like to play with their food, which can't be much fun for the birds, squirrels, bunnies and other objects of their affection. The problem comes from owners who turn them loose to ply their trade.
Where things get out of whack is that their predation is called natural, while allowing dogs and coyotes to dine on felines is not tolerated. It would seem that cats have the more effective lobby.
The news media have gone wild with this story, but are there no ordinances requiring licensing, rabies and other vaccinations, and leashes or restraints for dogs and cats? Wouldn't the toll collector be incriminating himself by claiming ownership? If he gets immunity from the law, shouldn't the shooter?
Cats are wired to kill if given the chance. And they seem to like to play with their food, which can't be much fun for the birds, squirrels, bunnies and other objects of their affection. The problem comes from owners who turn them loose to ply their trade.
Where things get out of whack is that their predation is called natural, while allowing dogs and coyotes to dine on felines is not tolerated. It would seem that cats have the more effective lobby.
trueblue1776
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That's not really Biker, it's a picture of the Australian conservationist fella.
Like cats? Look up Toxoplasma gondi.
Like cats? Look up Toxoplasma gondi.
Regolith
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I'm sorry, but you know very little about your little "friends". Ferrel cats are quite capable of living on their own, and dine a regular diet of birds, mice and other small animals.
Your response is purely an emotional one. Its illogical and ignores the basic facts of how these animals operate. Just because it is a cat, doesn't mean it doesn't have predatory instincts, doesn't mean that it can't wreak HAVOC on the local ecosystem.
Feral cats are a nuisance. Nothing more. They aren't people's pets. They aren't cute little human loving fuzzballs. They are extremely efficient hunters, and they have helped to put dozens of species onto the endangered list.
Frankly, I find this attachment to a specific breed of animal based on whether or not it can be a pet baffling. Its not someone's pet if it runs wild. Its feral, and subject to control or irradiation just like any other introduced animal.
Millwright
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Well.....let's see......cats are an invasive species not native to N. America that habitually prey upon rare and endangered native species.......By today's rules you wouldn't be allowed to import .....
Yep ! Seems pretty definite to me, too !!! A judicious application of Triple S..... >MW
Yep ! Seems pretty definite to me, too !!! A judicious application of Triple S..... >MW
jhark123
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am I the only who could not stop laughing while reading that article? How rediculous to attempt to prosecute a man for SHOOTING a ferel cat. Animal CRUELTY laws are for people who skin/burn/torture animals. This is insane and hilarious at the same time.
Crunker1337
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Well the point is that the cat did not die quickly, it was bleeding heavily and took a while to die of blood loss. Not quite cruelty, but getting close...
I just don't understand some of the comments I'm seeing here. Cats are NOT indigenous animals. What frightens me is the laws that are made to protect wild NON-indigenous animals. Why? Because they are cute? Are wild pigs next? Guess what, they were imported as well and you can ask any rancher in South Texas about how destructive they are and they kill them any chance they get. What about the free-range Axis deer I love to hunt on our land here in Texas? Sure, I eat every morsel, but they sure are cute. Let's stop shooting them, too. They happen to be from India. The most frightening thing is that the law was changed to protect all cats, whether feral or not, if you read the article. So now (and this applies to dogs as well, by the way) you cannot protect your own property or family at all. I have a friend still going through court for shooting a dog ON HIS FRONT PORCH, that was growling at him. So, I can let my dog run all over the country and there's nothing anyone can do until it is too late (and my cat as well killing quail, dove, and anything else). I'm the first to agree it is not the animal's fault that they have idiot owners, but the ability to defend your property from animals running wild shouldn't be taken away because of that. For me, SSS works just fine. When you live in the country, that's the understood rule.
Tommygunn
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Regolith said:
While feral cats are often a nuisance and I have no problem with farmers and others who shoot them to protect their own livestock, the conditions that caused them to become feral are a human responsibility. Cats (felix domesticus) were indiginous to North Africa and they spread throughout europe and the rest of the world not on their own but due to human beings.
And, dogs as well are predators. The only cats who are "pack hunters" are lions; other cats are solitary hunters. Dogs are pack hunters and domesticated dogs treat their human owners as the "alpha male" of the pack.
However, even domesticated dogs can be dangerous. A number of years ago in my mother's town a pack of dogs began roaming the neighborhood and began threatening and attacking people in the neighborhood. I'm sure these same dogs were well-trained and obedient and affectionate to their owners when at home. Leash laws exist for a reason ......
I suppose if cats were pack hunters they would be consigned to leashes, too.....
wacki
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I don't. The more I study feral cats and the relevant scientific literature the more I support the wholesale slaughter of feral cats both in North America and Australia. And the trapping and execution of feral cats (no collar) is supposedly legal in all 50 states. The devastation feral cats cause to the environment, bird populations and biodiversity in general is very impressive. And then there are the problems they cause farmers. Nobody wants to bring back foxes to keep the cats in check so hunters need to pick up the slack. I've never killed one myself but I know people that do and .22 short seems to be the best. Less noise than a .22LR.
Hunter0924
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I can think of another animal that is far worse than feral cats for the environment.....humans.
We are all God's creatures and someone appointing himself as dangerous cat killer may need more than prison time to see the error of his ways.
Animals eating animals now we just cannot have that.
We are all God's creatures and someone appointing himself as dangerous cat killer may need more than prison time to see the error of his ways.
Animals eating animals now we just cannot have that.
Some people are missing the point. A jerk is feeding and propagating a hoard of feral cats under a bridge on public property and is claiming they are "his" pets. I am just amazed they did not arrest the cat hoarder that ran the guy off the road for legaly shooting a pest. The DAs office must have a few idiots in it too for actully making a case out of this deal. Did that Nyphong guy get a new job? They are having issues with trying to get prospective jurers that dont fall out of their seats when they find out what the case they are being questioned for being on.
Hunter0924 said:
Agreed, with the human population over 7 billion, we are grossly overpopulated...and yet birth control is strictly prohibited especially in areas that disparately need it.
As far as feral cats doing harm...yes they do hunt birds including endangered birds. Contrarily, they also hunt vermin (mice, voles etc.) probably more so than other prey and for that I'm glad. Where I live, most of the feral cats, and even my collared cat, hunt mice And I rarely see them catch a bird (about 10 mice for every one bird). The birds they do catch are almost always those English sparrows who are notorious for killing and taking over native bird species.
You wanna help native bird species, leave the cats alone and put your resources on shooting English sparrows and other invasive birds (I prefer a high powered pellet gun for this).
MAX100
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I live on a farm with with chickens, ducks and horses. I have had Feral cats around and I have never seen any that cause a problem to any of my live stock. I suppose one could be rabid but I have never encountered one.
What I think is some people just like to Kill. Unless the cat poses a threat, which is a rare case, it is just killing for pleasure. I wouldn't admit that I was a domestic cat killer. You certainly would not be looked upon favorable by your peers. I see it as a cowardly act and so does society. Instead of killing cats for pleasure put in some time in Iraq. Try shooting at something that will shoot back, now that would take some Balls.
I agree with Hunter0924 post: "If someone came shooting at my animals there would be return fire".
GC
What I think is some people just like to Kill. Unless the cat poses a threat, which is a rare case, it is just killing for pleasure. I wouldn't admit that I was a domestic cat killer. You certainly would not be looked upon favorable by your peers. I see it as a cowardly act and so does society. Instead of killing cats for pleasure put in some time in Iraq. Try shooting at something that will shoot back, now that would take some Balls.
I agree with Hunter0924 post: "If someone came shooting at my animals there would be return fire".
GC
In Germany, by law, any cat more than 100 metres distance from a dwelling is a target. They are disease vectors for rabies. I hit one at the distant point blank of my .30-'06: 220 metres. The Speer 165 Grand Slam impacted at the right hip (the only point of aim available) and exited the left orbital.
Tabbies like this were responsible for three rabies infections of humans per year in my kreis (county). I am vaccinated for rabies and, for some reason, not a "cat person".
Tabbies like this were responsible for three rabies infections of humans per year in my kreis (county). I am vaccinated for rabies and, for some reason, not a "cat person".
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What caliber for cats?
Not sure on the caliber, but the rifle would have to be a Mouser!
Actually probably what my mother always used to use, a .22LR. Single shot JC Higgins bolt gun, and she was deadly with it. We always had lots of cats, normally a half dozen or so, on one occasion when three queens littered at the same time we had nearly 30 cats and kittens. They were "outdoor cats mostly, with a few allowed in as pets. When it became necessary to destroy one, nobody loat any sleep over it. Sometimes they would get sick (mange) and had to be put down. Distemper took its share as well. So did the highway. Vets were for cows and horses (things worth the expense-and then rarely, as we didn't have much money)
Mom also had a firm rule. The third time a cat crapped under her bed, it was obviously too stupid to live, and it didn't for very long after that. Many times I would come home from school and find Mom leaning out the upstairs window, waiting for a particular cat to come into range. Only thing I didn't much care for was when I got big enough, I got the chore of burying them.
Don't take it wrong, Mom loved cats. I spent one whole day tagging along as she searched every store in the city searching for a doll's baby bottle, so she could feed some week old kittens who's mom got killed by a car. A year later she had no trouble shooting one of those same kittens, who grew up "defective". Mom was fair, but she had her standards!
Not sure on the caliber, but the rifle would have to be a Mouser!
Actually probably what my mother always used to use, a .22LR. Single shot JC Higgins bolt gun, and she was deadly with it. We always had lots of cats, normally a half dozen or so, on one occasion when three queens littered at the same time we had nearly 30 cats and kittens. They were "outdoor cats mostly, with a few allowed in as pets. When it became necessary to destroy one, nobody loat any sleep over it. Sometimes they would get sick (mange) and had to be put down. Distemper took its share as well. So did the highway. Vets were for cows and horses (things worth the expense-and then rarely, as we didn't have much money)
Mom also had a firm rule. The third time a cat crapped under her bed, it was obviously too stupid to live, and it didn't for very long after that. Many times I would come home from school and find Mom leaning out the upstairs window, waiting for a particular cat to come into range. Only thing I didn't much care for was when I got big enough, I got the chore of burying them.
Don't take it wrong, Mom loved cats. I spent one whole day tagging along as she searched every store in the city searching for a doll's baby bottle, so she could feed some week old kittens who's mom got killed by a car. A year later she had no trouble shooting one of those same kittens, who grew up "defective". Mom was fair, but she had her standards!
The Annoyed Man
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I had a long reply crafted explaining my position in greater detail, but this thread is a waste of time.
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