Best drop in ar15 trigger?

[Ibmikey]

I am not normally the one to buy cheaper merchandise but after several great but high dollar CMC triggers i discovered ALG ACT. This is a FCG that uses modified GI parts and gives a decent pull without the normal creep and roughness of factory and it is done for $65. My AR's are used for informal shooting and only a few are set up for punching small groups on paper, a good trigger is needed for these but the other twenty plus riffles do just fine with the ALG. I even tried a couple of the PSA enhanced kits and found them to be adequate for a plinker, smooth but not as nice as the ALG ACT.

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

I have been digging my Gieselle SSA trigger.

Nothing fancy but a really nice 2 stage for $165.

It is non adjustable which suites the application nicely.

I do believe that a good/decent trigger is one of the best upgrades you can do for your AR.

 

[Tinman357]

Most fighting rifles have two stage triggers. Period, end of story. If you don't understand then that is your problem.

Since the OP didn't state his intended use or preference a two stage might not be appropriate.

Move along if you still don't understand.

HK Guns.... I normally don't comment much as I don't feel I can add anything constructive most of the time. I try to learn from those who know more than I do, and I've been wildly successful. Tons of incredibly knowledgeable people here.

I've only been an active member here for just a bit over 10 years. I only have 198 posts. I've stuck my foot in my mouth a time or two, to my shame.

But I have to comment on your condescending post and refusal to explain it.

Sir, we as gun owners are in a battle to protect what 2nd rights we have left. We don't need somebody that drives away new gunnies. We need all the numbers we can get. Your comment was uncivil, rude, and condescending. IMHO completely inappropriate.

MODS::::: if I'm out of line here, please delete. No intent to start a fuss.

 

[Bobson]

Someone (don't ask me who) posted a low-road comment here, which I've removed.

Sin nature.

 

[SwampWolf]

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Please elaborate on the RRA 2-stage being a problem. This is the first I'm hearing of this. Both of mine are still running fine; admittedly I don't shoot thousands upon thousands of rounds.

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They have a rep of wearing out faster than other 2 stage triggers as others have noted they tend to drop their 2nd stage. I have read reports of it happening as soon a a few hundred rounds. Most people believe it is a matter of when not will it happen.

Many of my friends and I who compete at Service Rifle matches have fired thousands of rounds through our AR-15 rifles using RRA National Match 2-stage triggers with no problems whatsoever. Some might think we've just been lucky. But we think RRA makes a darn nice, reliable trigger that can be had at relatively affordable price.

When shooting at Camp Perry, I've made it my business to ask competitors what they think about the triggers they are using and have yet to hear anyone complain about a RRA National Match trigger "dropping" its second stage. But I can only speak to my experiences acquired "on the line" in a competitive context. Though others, obviously, may have a different point of view, it's always helpful to learn how they acquired their opinion(s).

 

[Welding Rod]

I have been using RRA 2-stage match triggers for high power events for years, not a problem yet, though each individual one is seeing less than 2,000 round per year.

 

[WVsig]

Just FYI I ordered my LaRue Trigger on 3/5/16 and was shipped yesterday. I went with the whenever it's available cheaper option.

 

[shootstraight57]

I have the National Match 2-stage from Rock River Armory in both of my ARs. It came in the first gun and I liked it enough I installed one in my other rifle. I find it very predictable and easy to shoot accurately. As a bonus it's less expensive than most other offerings.

I also bought a 2 stage Rock River Arms trigger last year and found it better than the standard triggers. I bought it when they ran a sale in Dec. and they shipped it to me in Feb.
I found the first stage to be 3.5 lbs and the second at 4.5 lbs. crisp and clean break.

 

[WVsig]

Many of my friends and I who compete at Service Rifle matches have fired thousands of rounds through our AR-15 rifles using RRA National Match 2-stage triggers with no problems whatsoever. Some might think we've just been lucky. But we think RRA makes a darn nice, reliable trigger that can be had at relatively affordable price.

When shooting at Camp Perry, I've made it my business to ask competitors what they think about the triggers they are using and have yet to hear anyone complain about a RRA National Match trigger "dropping" its second stage. But I can only speak to my experiences acquired "on the line" in a competitive context. Though others, obviously, may have a different point of view, it's always helpful to learn how they acquired their opinion(s).

Round counts on those guns?

 

[Browning]

Vote towards the Chip McCormick flat or the ALG ACT.

 

[taliv]

RRA 2 stage is a decent trigger. there was a several year period where they were failing in carbine classes with alarming regularity. the failure was generally associated with a disconnector pin that was short and had room to walk out. there were also reports of the generally softer material wearing rapidly, but lots of people, including myself, have RRA 2 stage triggers with >15k rounds and no issues. so that isn't consistent.

that was also in the 2005-2010 period so who knows if RRA still even sources their steel from the same companies or uses the same specs or even design.
There are crisper triggers for precision shooting like CMP/HP and i wouldn't want to use a 2 stage for 3gun or defensive use. So mine has been in the safe since 2009 or so.

my advice would be to monitor your trigger for wear over the first 500 rounds and watch for the pins moving out.

 

[Sam1911]

best two stage fighting trigger

That statement right there makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Most fighting rifles have two stage triggers. Period, end of story. If you don't understand then that is your problem.

Since the OP didn't state his intended use or preference a two stage might not be appropriate.

Move along if you still don't understand.

I have been a member of this forum for a long time. It's a shame that long time member like yourself as well as newer members have fallen into the trap of incivility that so permeates and defines the digital generation.

Perhaps you think you are entitled.

How about you actually explain why most "fighting rifles have 2-stage triggers" and why it makes sense that they do...instead of chest thumping?

But I have to comment on your condescending post and refusal to explain it.

Sir, we as gun owners are in a battle to protect what 2nd rights we have left. We don't need somebody that drives away new gunnies. We need all the numbers we can get. Your comment was uncivil, rude, and condescending. IMHO completely inappropriate.

A two-stage is not really needed for a battle rifle.

Guys, look, it is imperative on each member to be as civil as their communication skills allow. (And to become MORE so as practice with written communication, here for example, improves those skills.)

That being said, there's a cart-before-horse effect that goes on on forums a lot, as threads get longer and folks don't look back at who said what, when, and why.

This is a classic example of the a fundamental mis-step we get a lot. Someone (Creature in this case) makes a claim: that someone else's statement "makes no sense..." and later that "A two-stage trigger is really not needed for a battle rifle."

He's making the claim. The other poster (HKGuns) pointed out (a bit too curtly) that most fighting rifles have been built that way, and another member pointed out a long (in fact an unbroken!) string of US fighting rifles so equipped.

Creature then rebuts with, "How about you actually explain why most "fighting rifles have 2-stage triggers" and why it makes sense that they do"?

And there's the cart-before-horse problem. It is always the burden of the person making a claim to come up with supporting points (examples, logic, opinion, ...something) to explain why he's making that claim.

It is not appropriate to say, essentially, "I've made a claim (esp. one that flies in the face of tradition and current practice) and YOU have to prove ME wrong."

So while there have been too many examples of cutsie and flippant incivility in this thread, the burden of proof is actually on Creature to explain why he interjected with the claims he did. And, going a step further, why his comment was informative to the OP's initial inquiry.

 

[Warp]

Geissele

 

[Jackal]

For the current asking price of $125 at Larue, the LaRue MBT2 cannot be beaten. Its a great trigger for $200, it destroys it's competition at $125.

 

[taliv]

i haven't tried the larue yet

 

[444]

I own a bunch of ARs.

And I shoot them regularly.

All but a couple of them have Geissele SSA-E triggers in them. One has a Geissele service rifle trigger. Two are clones of specific rifles and I have left them stock.

I dont know if Geissele is the best. I havent tried them all, so I am not qualified to makr a statement like that. But I THINK Geissele is the best.

 

[adcoch1]

Sam1911, thanks for the chime in, and the reminder. I appreciate all the input, and even the heated comparisons have been informative. A lot of information here. I really like two stage triggers myself so i gravitate that way, but before i spend my money i wanted to get some input/advice. It's nice to know WHAT kind of issues different brands have so i know what to look for.

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[Ks5shooter]

Just ordered my geissele super dynamic 3 gun trigger from joeboboutfitters.com for $222 shipped free. They have a 10% off all Geissele triggers going on now,free shipping over $90. 10% off code " may2016 " enjoy.........

 

[gillmeister692]

Armalite replacement trigger for my 1989 Colt Sporter Match HBAR.

 

[Lucifer_Sam]

From what I've seen, for under $100 the ALG trigger are generally regarded as the best choices. I got mine on sale and I'm pleased with it.

Unless you have to have a single stage, the Larue MBT is what you want going up into $200. Its a great value at $125, and it comes with 2 springs so it can have a lighter trigger pull, or a heavier on at 5.5-6.5# (IIRC on the pull weight).

Over that $ I really cant say, theres a lot of different opinions and triggers at that price, and I don't own any to speak to it. I will say that the Hyperfire triggers seem to have an increasing following and people seem to really like them, and that Giselle is also well liked by all that have them and has a proven track record.

 

[SwampWolf]

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Many of my friends and I who compete at Service Rifle matches have fired thousands of rounds through our AR-15 rifles using RRA National Match 2-stage triggers with no problems whatsoever. Some might think we've just been lucky. But we think RRA makes a darn nice, reliable trigger that can be had at relatively affordable price.

When shooting at Camp Perry, I've made it my business to ask competitors what they think about the triggers they are using and have yet to hear anyone complain about a RRA National Match trigger "dropping" its second stage. But I can only speak to my experiences acquired "on the line" in a competitive context. Though others, obviously, may have a different point of view, it's always helpful to learn how they acquired their opinion(s).

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Round counts on those guns?

No idea-but more than a "few" for sure.,

 

[redneck2]

I have had multiple AR's, and currently have two. The trigger in one is a Windham Bushmaster Varminter. The other is a Timney. Both are light, the Timney probably about 1 1/2#. The Bushie maybe 2#. Both are crisp and I would consider them target quality.

I have only used one Geissele. To say I was less than impressed would be an understatement. There is no way I'd trade one even up for either of mine.

My shooting buddy has a RRA and I think it's about the same as my Bushie.

I got the Timney used for about $100 IIRC.

YMMV

 

[PappyVanWinkle]

Geissele SSA-E, you won't regret it!

 

[Warp]

Geissele

 

[Llama Bob]

I've tried Geisseles (including the popular SSA-E), RRAs, Timneys, Larues, and AR Gold. Of that batch, I think AR Gold is far and away the best if money is no object. It changes the feel of the pull away from the "classic" AR pull, but IMO that's for the better. I think it's also safe and reliable. Since it's a single unit, it's also immune to problems related to lower geometry. The classic AR trigger has its engagement distance at least partially set by the spacing of the holes in the lower, which is just insane.

For low cost, the Larue is unbeatable.

The Geisseles , RRAs and Timneys have been sold or are in the parts drawer.