Best non-lethal self/home defense weapon?
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How about 12 gauge baton rounds (2 to a cartridge)?
Redlg155
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Kubaton along with the training needed for effective application. They come in keychain models that look harmless enough, but in th right hands, can stun an attacker. It can also be used against pressure points or to perform a wrist lock against an aggressor. These are great when in a weapons free environment where oc spray,
tasers and firearms are not allowed or when transitioning to areas where you keep your firearm
tasers and firearms are not allowed or when transitioning to areas where you keep your firearm
87Theworld
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Why put your self in harms way it's way to easy to get disarmed with a stick. A gun would still be the best solution you wouldn't most need to actually shoot an intruder for them to get the msg to leave. Most intruders work with someone else so look out for at least another person. You might want to seriously think of just running out of your own home instead of confronting someone with that weapon honestly.
mortablunt
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Nonlethal? One of my cats; being extremely noisy, cute, affectionate, heavy, and loving to put their claws into everything when they're relaxed.
Not so lethal? Baton, TASER, hard knuckle tactical gloves, cane, bullwhip, baseball bat, hammer... Xbox.
Not so lethal? Baton, TASER, hard knuckle tactical gloves, cane, bullwhip, baseball bat, hammer... Xbox.
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rjrivero
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Why bring a bat to a gun fight? Perp is in your home with ill intent and you want to show pity at the risk of your own or your family's life? That's my thinking anyways... I wouldn't plan on making it a fair fight.
Silly things can be lethal... a pen, a fork, a wine glass, a coffee table, a flight of stairs, the water in my dog bowl. I wouldn't attempt to submit a perp with any of them.
Silly things can be lethal... a pen, a fork, a wine glass, a coffee table, a flight of stairs, the water in my dog bowl. I wouldn't attempt to submit a perp with any of them.
thefamcnaj
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If your looking for non leathel, then impact weapons wouldn't seem to be the way to go.
I'm thinking you are going to be limited to oc spray, a taser, or a dog thats trained to defend and cease attack on command.
I'm lookng around my "man cave" as I type this and I see: golf clubs, and autograghed base ball bad, a long black light on the wall, my edc knives etc. If I walk into the garage I see socket wrenches, hammers, screw drivers, lawn equipmeant, etc. All of these things could potentially be used for self defense, how ever they all can be leathel.
If you do God for bid ever have an intruder and he's armed, the odds most likely wouldn't be in your favor.
There are some resonably priced revolvers, for people on a budget. My cousin is a lot like you as in the fact he's fresh out of school and stretched for money. He picked up a used Rossi for 215$. Not his ideal gun but will suffice until he's in a better position financially.
I'm thinking you are going to be limited to oc spray, a taser, or a dog thats trained to defend and cease attack on command.
I'm lookng around my "man cave" as I type this and I see: golf clubs, and autograghed base ball bad, a long black light on the wall, my edc knives etc. If I walk into the garage I see socket wrenches, hammers, screw drivers, lawn equipmeant, etc. All of these things could potentially be used for self defense, how ever they all can be leathel.
If you do God for bid ever have an intruder and he's armed, the odds most likely wouldn't be in your favor.
There are some resonably priced revolvers, for people on a budget. My cousin is a lot like you as in the fact he's fresh out of school and stretched for money. He picked up a used Rossi for 215$. Not his ideal gun but will suffice until he's in a better position financially.
av8usn
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Keep a can of wasp spray handy. If that fails be fast on your feet...
I have to think a great pepper spray should be considered. I got a ton of info from the old posts here and wrote a review of what I think the top ones are. Some are stronger than bear sprays today but others are 1/100 of that. (would love feedback)
I found this here in the old stuff. This would be at the top. He was not even sprayed direct.
I carry a 1.9 oz can of the Bodyguard Hi-Power spray (forced cone) rated at 3 million SHU. Its a 15% OC solution with a 3.0 CRC level. Its really bad stuff. Ive recently learned that it is no longer being manufactured by Defense Technolgies as it was too strong for police use. The main complaint was its decontamination time. Ive fired a 1/2 second burst in my garage and tried to walk over to the area. I couldnt breathe, i started violently sneezing and my noze felt like it was closing.. as well and becoming full of snot. my eyes started to burn, as well as my lips. I ran out of there and closed the door beind me. Even 15 minutes later, it was still intolerable.
http://wsteveg.hubpages.com/hub/Pepper-Spray-Choosing-the-Best-Does-it-Work
I found this here in the old stuff. This would be at the top. He was not even sprayed direct.
I carry a 1.9 oz can of the Bodyguard Hi-Power spray (forced cone) rated at 3 million SHU. Its a 15% OC solution with a 3.0 CRC level. Its really bad stuff. Ive recently learned that it is no longer being manufactured by Defense Technolgies as it was too strong for police use. The main complaint was its decontamination time. Ive fired a 1/2 second burst in my garage and tried to walk over to the area. I couldnt breathe, i started violently sneezing and my noze felt like it was closing.. as well and becoming full of snot. my eyes started to burn, as well as my lips. I ran out of there and closed the door beind me. Even 15 minutes later, it was still intolerable.
http://wsteveg.hubpages.com/hub/Pepper-Spray-Choosing-the-Best-Does-it-Work
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Tomcat47
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OP Said Non - Lethal! .........
I would have to say Short Sticks in Close Quarters....but the non lethal aspect could have different outcomes depending on the situation and willingness to comply.....
Has anyone ever used these guys? http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/Pepper-Gel-p-1-c-580.html
Thanks. I was wondering and thinking the gel could have a flaw.
I bought the Commander from udap. 15% 3 mil shu and 3% MC.
This small 4.25 X 1.25 wide may be a little weak on the power/range (it was the 6-7 feet it said but not much more if anything) I was hoping for a little more. The bigger the can the more the range
An 8 mph crosswind took it pretty good. I watch the bulk ( or all) of the yellow cone go right around a 3 foot wide tree at 6 foot.
I bought the Commander from udap. 15% 3 mil shu and 3% MC.
This small 4.25 X 1.25 wide may be a little weak on the power/range (it was the 6-7 feet it said but not much more if anything) I was hoping for a little more. The bigger the can the more the range
An 8 mph crosswind took it pretty good. I watch the bulk ( or all) of the yellow cone go right around a 3 foot wide tree at 6 foot.
dprice3844444
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man,talk about nasty stuff when hit in the eyes.this stuff is automatic er visit.
22-rimfire
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For me, a cane works about the best as they are ubiquitous and not assumed to be a weapon outside the home. You see more and more people carrying canes these days and I know it is for self defense and not because they need the assistance for walking.
Owen Sparks
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A sturdy one piece fire place poker can serve as a weapon in the home. If you live somewhere like England where commonors are forbidden weapons it will look good in court because it would appear as if you grabed it up spontaniously withought premeditation or forethought.
Americans shouldn't make assumptions about what will "look good" in foreign courts. Issues on self defense are often more complex than what we think they are in other countries.
I think of it like this.
If someone is planning to enter your home, then they have probably been watching you and learning your routines.
If they are brave enough to come in while you're home, then it's safe to assume they intend to cause you harm or worse.
Based on this, my philosophy is that I will defend myself with any and all means necessary to protect my family. There is probably more than one of them, and they will be prepared. Buy a 12 gauge, set up for home defense. You still want non-lethal? Okay, Hit him with the butt-stock.
If someone is planning to enter your home, then they have probably been watching you and learning your routines.
If they are brave enough to come in while you're home, then it's safe to assume they intend to cause you harm or worse.
Based on this, my philosophy is that I will defend myself with any and all means necessary to protect my family. There is probably more than one of them, and they will be prepared. Buy a 12 gauge, set up for home defense. You still want non-lethal? Okay, Hit him with the butt-stock.
Hamilton Felix
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My wife and I both keep very lethal weapons handy. We're not interested in up-close grappling with someone who has already invaded our home and threatens our family.
Our only concesson to "non-lethal" might be our 3D LED MagLites (the "handy bludgeon size") which are much easier to find on a nightstand in the dark then our small SureFire EDC lights.
Pepper spray indoors would seem to work to everyone's harm, not just the badguy. Perhaps gel would be an exception.
Outdoors, the rules differ. But in the home, if he's within 21 feet and not already complying with orders to go prone, Tueller would say "shoot him now!"
Our only concesson to "non-lethal" might be our 3D LED MagLites (the "handy bludgeon size") which are much easier to find on a nightstand in the dark then our small SureFire EDC lights.
Pepper spray indoors would seem to work to everyone's harm, not just the badguy. Perhaps gel would be an exception.
Outdoors, the rules differ. But in the home, if he's within 21 feet and not already complying with orders to go prone, Tueller would say "shoot him now!"
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The entire idea of voluntarily limiting yourself to less lethal weapons for home defense is seriously flawed.
If someone has broken into your home you should expect to have to defend your and your family members lives. If you can't have a firearm for whatever reason then pick the most effective means of stopping the threat as close to instantly as possible. Anything less is beyond reason.
If someone has broken into your home you should expect to have to defend your and your family members lives. If you can't have a firearm for whatever reason then pick the most effective means of stopping the threat as close to instantly as possible. Anything less is beyond reason.
I just got a testimonial on the UDAP 15% 3 MIl SHU 3MC Commander Pepper Spray.
My son called and said his mom picked up the Commander and playing around sprayed a tiny amount in the house. Just a quickest tap.
He said it was brutal,could not breathe that they both started coughing, sneezing and burning.
He said he could not imagine what it would be like to be hit with a real shot.
Just what I read on an old post here of the same formula of another brand: "I carry a 1.9 oz can of the Bodyguard Hi-Power spray (forced cone) rated at 3 million SHU. Its a 15% OC solution with a 3.0 CRC level. Its really bad stuff. I've recently learned that it is no longer being manufactured by Defense Technologies as it was too strong for police use. The main complaint was its decontamination time. I've fired a 1/2 second burst in my garage and tried to walk over to the area. I couldn't breathe, I started violently sneezing and my nose felt like it was closing.. as well and becoming full of snot. my eyes started to burn, as well as my lips. I ran out of there and closed the door behind me. Even 15 minutes later, it was still intolerable."
My son called and said his mom picked up the Commander and playing around sprayed a tiny amount in the house. Just a quickest tap.
He said it was brutal,could not breathe that they both started coughing, sneezing and burning.
He said he could not imagine what it would be like to be hit with a real shot.
Just what I read on an old post here of the same formula of another brand: "I carry a 1.9 oz can of the Bodyguard Hi-Power spray (forced cone) rated at 3 million SHU. Its a 15% OC solution with a 3.0 CRC level. Its really bad stuff. I've recently learned that it is no longer being manufactured by Defense Technologies as it was too strong for police use. The main complaint was its decontamination time. I've fired a 1/2 second burst in my garage and tried to walk over to the area. I couldn't breathe, I started violently sneezing and my nose felt like it was closing.. as well and becoming full of snot. my eyes started to burn, as well as my lips. I ran out of there and closed the door behind me. Even 15 minutes later, it was still intolerable."
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a sharp stick about 4 feet long--it's non-lethal as long as he stays 4 feet away!
Cheap, easy, leave one in the shed, leave one in the garage, etc.
Cheap, easy, leave one in the shed, leave one in the garage, etc.
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