Best out of the box AR for around $1k

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Setting mid-length gas systems as a standard for "good out-of-the-box" is sophomoric. There's nothing "special" about mid-length gas systems.

You'd be hard-pressed to beat the deal on a carbine A-4 RRA from Adco, with chrome-lined barrel and N.M. trigger @ $849.

If your looking for accuracy, the <$1k RRA Predator Pursujit will outshoot a $2500 Wilson Combat, all day long.
 
Agree on the RRA predator pursuit...im getting .5 inch groups off a not so great rest..picked up a lead slead so we will see what she really can do
 
I am very happy with my PSA & BCM uppers. Both were around $500. (No fancy furniture)
 
Colt
BCM
S&W
CMMG
RRA
BM

In that order.

I'd look at Daniel Defense, too, and put them to the top of that list.

The Knights are reputed to be excellent but I don't belive they justify the price.
 
Although I initially indicated a preference for Colt or BCM earlier (and stand by that), Spikes is worth a look as well.

Thier rifles have every bit the same quality as Colt or BCM, and they represent a great value as well. In fact, I own a Spikes M4LE carbine, and it's fit & finish is clearly better than the last few Colt 6920s I've handled. The lifetime warranty doesn't hurt, either.
 
daniel defense makes a top tier rifle in the budget you said. you can get the m4xv for about 950.00. i bought the m4v5 with full free float rail moe stock and trigger guard and a dd vfg for under 1300 brand new. one thing to KAC is their parts are proprietary. a new bcg for a sr-15 is over 300 dollars.
 
Bravo Company USA MID-16 Mod 0- Probably the best buy.
What it has going for it- Price, 1:7 Hammer forged barrel, mid length gas system...

I agree with this. A couple months ago I bought the BCM 16" LW midlength upper and basically assembled a Mod 0. Last year I did the same with a Daniel Defense 16" LW midlength upper. Both are wonderful rifles. If Colt had a midlength I might have bought one instead. In the 1K ballpark it's hard to beat BCM, Colt and DD.

Didn't know CTD sold BCM, that's something to keep in mind.
 
Had a RR and sold it. Was accurate but dang, almost 9 pounds. Bought a S&W m&p, haven't looked back, shoots great, very light and handy and $630 OTD it is a very good value.
 
If the fund-age is available, Knight's SR-15 is the top dog of the whole group.
Check out the features item by item with the others.

You've narrowed it down to some nice choices though. The only one I dont like much is the Bushmaster.

Good luck.
 
Had a RR and sold it. Was accurate but dang, almost 9 pounds. Bought a S&W m&p, haven't looked back, shoots great, very light and handy and $630 OTD it is a very good value.
They'll do everything an AR should, and be accurate (1.5-1 MOA depending on ammo) to boot. Hope you're enjoying it.
 
what ammo does a S&W sport shoot MOA? also what optics and shooting position?
Barnes tsx, black hills 69, Bushnell 1.5x4.5x32, hundred yards rested. Easy peezy. Quite an accurate rifle, even for an AR. With the TRS-25, groups open up substantially at that range, but more than good enough (2moa is my best with that dot sight, sure some can do better) for a farm rifle or hog/deer gun. If it was your nearest available weapon, HD worthy too. Wish, on occasion, I'd had kept it.
 
Hentown- Mid Length gas improves accuracy by reducing recoil or smoothing recoil if you will. You're right not everybody needs it, if you started with a mid-length and went carbine length IMO you wouldn't like the carbine.
 
sorry, but the midlength gas system offers no inherrant mechanical accuracy over the carbine gas system. some would argue that the slightly longer sight radius improves accuracy, but it's minimal at best, and only applies to irons.

less dwell time and slightly smoother cycling are the only real benefits.
 
I haven't bought a complete AR in quite some time. I started building my own. In any case, when I build a rifle and am seeking parts, these are some of my considerations.

1. I prefer to go with a milspec barrel. These barrels are finished under the gas block. I don't know that this is important to you, but I'm in south Louisiana and the environment and weather are pretty harsh on steel. I've seen quite a few barrels rust under the gas block because there was no finish there to protect the steel. Milspec barrels are also usually made of a higher grade of steel. Whether the higher grade of steel will be of any benefit to you, I don't know. It depends on how hard you run the rifle.

2. I also like to go with a mil spec buffer tube. I've found them (and this is just personal experience) to be stronger than their commercial spec counter parts. They also usually offer a better fit with aftermarket stocks. The reason that I say that I think they are stronger is because I've replaced a number of commercial spec tubes after the rifle took, what seemed to be a "no big deal" spill. The tubes were tweaked and rendered the rifles inoperable. On one particular rifle, all that happened was the it was knocked off of the shooting bench. The only milspec tube I've had to change was due to the stock whacking a tree while the rifle was strapped to a four wheeler.

3. I like to go with a milspec bolt carrier group, which is going to be the full auto version. They are a bit heavier and help to smooth the operation of the rifle. Some will argue either that staking of the gas key screws is necessary or that it isn't. To be honest, I don't even know if the staking procedure falls within milspec. Still, I prefer to have them properly staked. On the other hand, I've never had one that was properly installed to proper torque specs that came loose, even without staking. Not that I remember, anyway.

4. If I can, I prefer to get a barrel with a pinned gas block. I've had the set screw types work loose on me, especially from those manufacturers that use this type of gas block on barrels that are not dimpled for set screws. The clamp on type gas block are ok. I've never had any problems with them. My current setup has a clamp on installed, but there are still screws that COULD work loose. Whatever gas block you get, just make sure it's steel.

I'm also hearing a whole lot these days about the Smith Sport model. I've shot a few of them and they are nice rifles, for the price. All I want to convey is that first, don't let the fact that their barrels have 5R rifling sway you one way or the other. It's a marketing gimick. I haven't seen anything in use that would lead me to believe that 5R is any better or worse than any other form of rifling as far as accuracy goes.

The second thing I want to mention is just a personal gripe. I'm sure that it was a cost cutting measure, but I can't believe that the trigger guard is integrated into the lower receiver. I don't know what you plan to do with your AR, but I've dinged, dented and bent enough of them to know that I'd rather be able to change a $10 part than have to replace the whole lower receiver.

The barrel is also made of inferior steel. 4140, I believe it is. Still, this may not matter to you and the fact that the barrel isn't chrome lined may lend itself to a bit more accuracy. I just don't know that you'd realize the accuracy benefits, unless you intend to shoot your AR from a bench all of the time.
 
Why is 1:7 twist viewed as the ideal here? I was reading up on twist rates on AR15.com the other day, and it suggested 1:9 twist is much more "well-rounded." It also said 1:7" twist is pretty much only needed for shooting 75-77 grain match bullets.

Source

Is this information flat-out wrong, or are we assuming that everyone with an AR is shooting 75gr (or heavier) match ammo? I'm new to AR15s, so not trying to start a debate; just confused by the conflicting information.
 
I haven't bought a complete AR in quite some time. I started building my own. In any case, when I build a rifle and am seeking parts, these are some of my considerations.

1. I prefer to go with a milspec barrel. These barrels are finished under the gas block. I don't know that this is important to you, but I'm in south Louisiana and the environment and weather are pretty harsh on steel. I've seen quite a few barrels rust under the gas block because there was no finish there to protect the steel. Milspec barrels are also usually made of a higher grade of steel. Whether the higher grade of steel will be of any benefit to you, I don't know. It depends on how hard you run the rifle.

2. I also like to go with a mil spec buffer tube. I've found them (and this is just personal experience) to be stronger than their commercial spec counter parts. They also usually offer a better fit with aftermarket stocks. The reason that I say that I think they are stronger is because I've replaced a number of commercial spec tubes after the rifle took, what seemed to be a "no big deal" spill. The tubes were tweaked and rendered the rifles inoperable. On one particular rifle, all that happened was the it was knocked off of the shooting bench. The only milspec tube I've had to change was due to the stock whacking a tree while the rifle was strapped to a four wheeler.

3. I like to go with a milspec bolt carrier group, which is going to be the full auto version. They are a bit heavier and help to smooth the operation of the rifle. Some will argue either that staking of the gas key screws is necessary or that it isn't. To be honest, I don't even know if the staking procedure falls within milspec. Still, I prefer to have them properly staked. On the other hand, I've never had one that was properly installed to proper torque specs that came loose, even without staking. Not that I remember, anyway.

4. If I can, I prefer to get a barrel with a pinned gas block. I've had the set screw types work loose on me, especially from those manufacturers that use this type of gas block on barrels that are not dimpled for set screws. The clamp on type gas block are ok. I've never had any problems with them. My current setup has a clamp on installed, but there are still screws that COULD work loose. Whatever gas block you get, just make sure it's steel.

I'm also hearing a whole lot these days about the Smith Sport model. I've shot a few of them and they are nice rifles, for the price. All I want to convey is that first, don't let the fact that their barrels have 5R rifling sway you one way or the other. It's a marketing gimick. I haven't seen anything in use that would lead me to believe that 5R is any better or worse than any other form of rifling as far as accuracy goes.

The second thing I want to mention is just a personal gripe. I'm sure that it was a cost cutting measure, but I can't believe that the trigger guard is integrated into the lower receiver. I don't know what you plan to do with your AR, but I've dinged, dented and bent enough of them to know that I'd rather be able to change a $10 part than have to replace the whole lower receiver.

The barrel is also made of inferior steel. 4140, I believe it is. Still, this may not matter to you and the fact that the barrel isn't chrome lined may lend itself to a bit more accuracy. I just don't know that you'd realize the accuracy benefits, unless you intend to shoot your AR from a bench all of the time.
You're the first and only person I've heard of that has damaged that area of the lower and found it needing replacement.

5r, marketing gimmick? No two lands pressing on opposing areas of the bullet is a gimmick? Had me sold when it shot better than my old Colt, resting, prone, or standing on hind legs like a man. That's some mighty fine marketing ploys.

It is 4140. Works good in car engines, so good enough for me!
 
You talk about how their is no proof that 5r helps.. let me see your proof it doesnt help..just saying
 
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Is this information flat-out wrong, or are we assuming that everyone with an AR is shooting 75gr (or heavier) match ammo? I'm new to AR15s, so not trying to start a debate; just confused by the conflicting information.
According to FM 23-9 M16A1 AND M16A2 RIFLE MARKSMANSHIP (1989 Ed. when we were still issuing both) the A2's 1:7 twist will shoot M193 55gr FMJ just as accurately as the A1's 1:12 twist.

I think the ammo oracle article is outdated, and conforms to the old assumptions that 1:9 was a better twist, back when 1:7 wasn't even common, and 1:8 was rare inn an AR. Then the AR community starting paying attention to forgotten knowledge from decades old US Army testing, and testing the rifles themselves. I've yet to find a 1:9 twist AR barrel that does anything better than a 1:7 twist barrel, unless you're shooting primarily ultralight bullets at very high velocities.

You also need to factor in that copper solids, like those from Barnes, have gone from specialty item to established standard in the market place. They're even mandated by law in some areas that ban lead core rifle ammo. These copper solids are longer than conventional lead core bullets for the same weight projectile. Faster twist is needed to stabilize longer bullets, regardless of weight.
 
According to FM 23-9 M16A1 AND M16A2 RIFLE MARKSMANSHIP (1989 Ed. when we were still issuing both) the A2's 1:7 twist will shoot M193 55gr FMJ just as accurately as the A1's 1:12 twist.

I think the ammo oracle article is outdated, and conforms to the old assumptions that 1:9 was a better twist, back when 1:7 wasn't even common, and 1:8 was rare inn an AR. Then the AR community starting paying attention to forgotten knowledge from decades old US Army testing, and testing the rifles themselves. I've yet to find a 1:9 twist AR barrel that does anything better than a 1:7 twist barrel, unless you're shooting primarily ultralight bullets at very high velocities.

You also need to factor in that copper solids, like those from Barnes, have gone from specialty item to established standard in the market place. They're even mandated by law in some areas that ban lead core rifle ammo. These copper solids are longer than conventional lead core bullets for the same weight projectile. Faster twist is needed to stabilize longer bullets, regardless of weight.

This. ^^^

'Tis why I intend to make mine 1:7 twists
 
The one you build yourself.

The Colt 6920 is a terrible choice for a wide range of applications. It is an excellent choice if you are a police officer.


For a range/competition gun/varminting rifle?

DPMS MK12 barrel
JP Adj gas block
JP LMOS Carrier
Buffer lightened to JP weight (save the $)
Geissele SSA-E trigger
Any decent lower and upper.
Any decent bolt
A1 milsurp stock
sights or optic of your choice
free float tube of your choice
Nordic Corvette Comp, or a Yankee Hill Phantom if you are averse to the noise of a comp.
 
Lets not argue here fellas, I picked the parts based what is better for the money. I am not saying that these are golden standards or that you have to have them by any means. My life has depended on the AR platform a time or two so if you could get more options for your money like 1:7twist vs 1:9, mid-length vs carbine, mil-spec parts vs stuff you find in a recycling bin I say go for it. The shooter that pulls his AR out once or twice a year and fires a few mags of the cheapest ammo at cans with their kids wont need as much in their rifle as the shooter who uses it as a tool with mil-spec or match ammo. All of which are on different ends of the spectrum I'm just trying to put the "good out of the box" in the middle somewhere or a little higher.
 
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