Bill to repeal CA AWB!
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UberPhLuBB
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Thanks.
Master Blaster
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I would couch my appeal form the perspective of those poor medal winning olympic shooters who had to move the USA shooting team from California to Colorado because you banned their olympic .22 pistols due to the magazine protruding conspicuously in front of the trigger guard. Bring in Female target shooters who competed in the olympics and in local, regional national and international high power competition. Bring in the Girls, A students in school being denied their right to compete in college under title 9 because the state of CA has been insensitive and banned their legitimate sporting rifles. etc.
Dont mention crime statistics the AWB sunset or any of that unless the other side brings it up then hit them with government statistics they cannot refute.
Make it seem as though they are discrimminating against poor competitive shooters form minority groups by pushing the ban, the more school age and college age shooters you can bring in to testify the better.
Discrimmination diversity opportunity make sure you use these words alot in the testimony.
JMHO YMMV
Dont mention crime statistics the AWB sunset or any of that unless the other side brings it up then hit them with government statistics they cannot refute.
Make it seem as though they are discrimminating against poor competitive shooters form minority groups by pushing the ban, the more school age and college age shooters you can bring in to testify the better.
Discrimmination diversity opportunity make sure you use these words alot in the testimony.
JMHO YMMV
UberPhLuBB
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Olympic shooting pistols and rifles are not banned, despite their posession of a magazine not inside the pistol grip.
There is a whole section that lists non-banned pistols and rifles, because they are Olympic firearms.
There is a whole section that lists non-banned pistols and rifles, because they are Olympic firearms.
carp killer
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If they make an exception for Olympic pistols because they are used in competitive sports. Why don't you ask the NRA or a friendly pro-gun politician to ask that the AR-15 or FAL also be the exception. Think Camp Perry. Or any other competitive shooting sport. It states in the AW law that people from out of state can bring in their legal AW for competitive sporting events. They are telling you that they acknowledge that AW are used in competitive sports. Right there is a legitimate reason to own one, rather than "killing babys in the 'hood". Use their own words and logic to make an exception like an Olympic firearm. Just an idea.
UberPhLuBB
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I'm no speechifier. The first letter I ever wrote to anyone (seriously, even personal letters) was for the California AWB to be let past the safety comission.
That is a good point though, and it would be great to see some publicity and a good discussion about it in a public forum (not an internet forum).
I'd be willing to take a "safety test" and pay an extra fee or apply for a permit to own one. I already tried going the permit route--the DOJ lady flat out told me "ain't gonna happen unless you're LEO." I said "Isn't this supposed to be for private ownership? LEO's have their own paperwork to get theirs." She repeated herself. Wouldn't even send me the form(s).
That is a good point though, and it would be great to see some publicity and a good discussion about it in a public forum (not an internet forum).
I'd be willing to take a "safety test" and pay an extra fee or apply for a permit to own one. I already tried going the permit route--the DOJ lady flat out told me "ain't gonna happen unless you're LEO." I said "Isn't this supposed to be for private ownership? LEO's have their own paperwork to get theirs." She repeated herself. Wouldn't even send me the form(s).
cvnhank
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Anyone have an update? Hank
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jnojr
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It appears that the vote was postponed. I believe that this is a very positive sign... they've probably received huge amounts of mail supporting passage, and little to none opposing. They don't want to be seen to stick their necks out on this.
We need to keep a sharp eye on this. When it's rescheduled, we all need to hammer these people again. We need to get even more people involved with writing in. Show them that support for this bill is increasing, not waning.
We need to keep a sharp eye on this. When it's rescheduled, we all need to hammer these people again. We need to get even more people involved with writing in. Show them that support for this bill is increasing, not waning.
UberPhLuBB
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That would appear to be great news!
Let's all keep our ears to the ground.
Let's all keep our ears to the ground.
marklbucla
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Taken from: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0401-0450/ab_448_bill_20050405_history.html
BILL NUMBER : A.B. No. 448
AUTHOR : La Suer
TOPIC : Assault weapons.
TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
Non-State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy
BILL HISTORY
2005
Apr. 5 In committee: Set, first hearing. Hearing canceled at the request
of author.
Feb. 24 Referred to Com. on PUB. S.
Feb. 16 From printer. May be heard in committee March 18.
Feb. 15 Read first time. To print.
"Hearing Canceled at the request of author."
I Guess that's it then? Back to shopping for FAB-10s or the new CA Vulcans???
BILL NUMBER : A.B. No. 448
AUTHOR : La Suer
TOPIC : Assault weapons.
TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
Non-State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy
BILL HISTORY
2005
Apr. 5 In committee: Set, first hearing. Hearing canceled at the request
of author.
Feb. 24 Referred to Com. on PUB. S.
Feb. 16 From printer. May be heard in committee March 18.
Feb. 15 Read first time. To print.
"Hearing Canceled at the request of author."
I Guess that's it then? Back to shopping for FAB-10s or the new CA Vulcans???
UberPhLuBB
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Email time. 
I'm sure he had good reason, but Jay needs to answer.
I'm sure he had good reason, but Jay needs to answer.
Gordon Fink
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Considering that the latest anti-RKBA bills passed the committee easily, I would speculate that La Suer pulled his bill before it could be voted down. 
~G. Fink
~G. Fink
marklbucla
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The people over on Ar15.com called and found out that the bill is still alive- they just postponed the hearing to possibly change the terms of it. Looks like there's still a shot!
marklbucla
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Everything is on this page:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_448&sess=CUR&house=B&author=la_suer
Looks like the hearing is going to be on Tuesday. So hold off on those FAB-10s, Vulcans, and GB Bushies for now!
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=ab_448&sess=CUR&house=B&author=la_suer
Looks like the hearing is going to be on Tuesday. So hold off on those FAB-10s, Vulcans, and GB Bushies for now!
billwiese
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Do not adjust your gun purchases for this. And when (if!) it does pass thru all hurdles it'd take 1-2 years from now before being in effect...
But again, it doesn't have a CHANCE in HELL to get out of committee, let alone pass.
Sorry to rain on anyone's parade but if they've let AB352 come out of the crime/justice committee (the microstamping ID on fired ammo cases) there's no way in hell they'll let so-called AWs return to being unregulated...
Look who's on the committe - LaSeur and one other Republican, opposed by Rebecca Cohn, Mervyn Dymally, Mark Leno, somebody Goldberg and maybe one other D, can't recall.... These latter Demos are all vociferously lefty-antigun.
Even if the moon were made of green cheese and this repeal did somehow make it out of committee, it'd have to pass the Perata-controlled Senate (Don Perata is president pro tempore of state senate - and he formulated SB23 - think he's gonna stand idly around while work he crafted is under attack??) in addition to the whole assembly, and then be signed by the governor.
You're smoking something if you believe, under current districting, demographics, population centers and current politicians thereof, that this has ANY chance of succeeding.
Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
UberPhLuBB
Member
Disregarding the negativity above, now I understand why La Suer pulled the bill temporarily. He added many comments of his own to the naked bill. An excerpt:
Edit: Going back, perhaps this is a portion of today's transcript? I'm not sure because I don't see an outcome.
Edit: Going back, perhaps this is a portion of today's transcript? I'm not sure because I don't see an outcome.
billwiese
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UberPhLubb...
Disregard it all you want. Call it negativity, if you like, but it's unfortunately reality. You folks keep thinking 'reason will prevail' in CA. "Thinking positive" and chanting "Ommmmmm......." won't do any good.
With demographic trends and current legislative districting skewing the CA legislative bodies to the left, it -and other progun legislation - has no chance.
And LaSeur's fellow Democrat members on the crime/justice committee (Cohn, Dymally, Greenberg, Leno...) wouldn't DARE want to be accused of "putting dangerous baby-killing weapons back on the street." That could be used against 'em in a nasty primary fight. (In safe Democrat seats, as these folks have, the primary election is more important than general election, as the Democrat will get the seat 98% of the time. It's just a matter of which Democrat, so the big fight is the primary.)
Even though La Seur updated bill with his 'statement of reasons', etc., that will have zero bearing - no matter how cogent, how well-presented, how well-supplied with key facts and statistics. These people don't listen to reason. And if logical reason were to prevail, we'd've not had any of these idiotic laws in the 1st place.
Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
Disregard it all you want. Call it negativity, if you like, but it's unfortunately reality. You folks keep thinking 'reason will prevail' in CA. "Thinking positive" and chanting "Ommmmmm......." won't do any good.
With demographic trends and current legislative districting skewing the CA legislative bodies to the left, it -and other progun legislation - has no chance.
And LaSeur's fellow Democrat members on the crime/justice committee (Cohn, Dymally, Greenberg, Leno...) wouldn't DARE want to be accused of "putting dangerous baby-killing weapons back on the street." That could be used against 'em in a nasty primary fight. (In safe Democrat seats, as these folks have, the primary election is more important than general election, as the Democrat will get the seat 98% of the time. It's just a matter of which Democrat, so the big fight is the primary.)
Even though La Seur updated bill with his 'statement of reasons', etc., that will have zero bearing - no matter how cogent, how well-presented, how well-supplied with key facts and statistics. These people don't listen to reason. And if logical reason were to prevail, we'd've not had any of these idiotic laws in the 1st place.
Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
UberPhLuBB
Member
It has nothing to do with reason and everything to do with willpower.
Folding over and sucking your thumb isn't going to get anything done. Saying "Forget about it," or "Move out of the state" isn't going to help anyone, least of all Californians.
I could make a convincing argument against God, does that mean I should? I shouldn't run through the streets saying "Forget your lord, there's no chance he exists!" should I?
In this case it's not about what is or isn't, it's about what you're going to do. Giving up or leaving isn't productive.
We KNOW it has a slim chance, it gets pounded into our heads every time one of you negative-nancies churns up the same bowl of apathy. We still have to TRY. Why even live life if you aren't going to try? Why live if you aren't going to stand up for what you believe in?
Enough with the negativity, there's enough in this thread to last the next few years. Stop the negative posts, we get it. You get it. Everyone understands how hard this will be. Now clam up and HELP US! If it fails this time we'll try again. HELP US! If you don't think people will vote the right way, then help them see the light. HELP, don't HINDER. Please!
Folding over and sucking your thumb isn't going to get anything done. Saying "Forget about it," or "Move out of the state" isn't going to help anyone, least of all Californians.
I could make a convincing argument against God, does that mean I should? I shouldn't run through the streets saying "Forget your lord, there's no chance he exists!" should I?
In this case it's not about what is or isn't, it's about what you're going to do. Giving up or leaving isn't productive.
We KNOW it has a slim chance, it gets pounded into our heads every time one of you negative-nancies churns up the same bowl of apathy. We still have to TRY. Why even live life if you aren't going to try? Why live if you aren't going to stand up for what you believe in?
Enough with the negativity, there's enough in this thread to last the next few years. Stop the negative posts, we get it. You get it. Everyone understands how hard this will be. Now clam up and HELP US! If it fails this time we'll try again. HELP US! If you don't think people will vote the right way, then help them see the light. HELP, don't HINDER. Please!
UberPhLuBB
Member
Looks like La Suer has postponed it yet again.
IZinterrogator
Member
Mailed letters to all six of them about how owning an AR-15 made me a better soldier. I am dying to see their responses. Also threatened to change my state of residence from CA to TX if they didn't pass it. Bye bye, tax money.
Beorn
Member
Let's get on this people!
This is a hopeful sign.
This is a hopeful sign.
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