Bill would abolish gun free zones.

[Danb1215]

I am not kidding. How many teachers have the balls to get in a gunfight with a nut armed with an automatic weapon. Are you going to check the mental stability of those carrying the guns in the school?? Were there screening devices at Virginia Tech or Columbine??? This argument is academic since the repeal of the law will never happen. I think we are fortunate that CCW's are being enacted, except maybe Illinois, to allow us to protect our family and loved ones.

So wait, you're glad Concealed Carry is gaining momentum because it will allow people to protect their loved ones, but you don't want concealed carry on school grounds because.........?

 

[scythefwd]

Medalguy - I never said it was an accurate portrayal of reality. I said it would cost them their seats, and therefore they wont vote for it. Personally I think the law is ignorant, but I'm not so set in my opinion that I cannot see reality. Reality is that it won't get passed with Obama in office. It won't get passed with the current electorate. It won't get passed until the majority of people in this country believe as we do that guns are tools, not magical talismans that turn normal sane people into raving homicidal lunatics. I doubt I'll see that in my life time, and I'm fairly young.

they do nothing but make ignorant people feel good........"well, this is a gun free zone, no one can hurt me here"

As Ron White said: "You can't fix stupid" (but you can remove all warning labels and let the problem take care of itself )

 

[snubbies]

Inconsistency???

There is no inconsistency. I am in charge of protecting my family and loved ones. I am not in favor of arming or allowing unknown individuals armed to be present in my kids school. How many children will be killed in the gunfight many are proposing we allow. Arming students and teachers is not the answer to a problem we have in situaations like Columbine or Virginia Tech. I don't have a single answer nor do I think there is one.

 

[kis2]

hopefully less than any tragedy we would permit through lack of action.

I understand wanting to protect my children at all times, but if I'm not there, I sure would want someone else to do it. A CCW holder would be better than nothing. The unknown and armed people you should be worried about will be armed regardless.

 

[M-Cameron]

There is no inconsistency. I am in charge of protecting my family and loved ones. I am not in favor of arming or allowing unknown individuals armed to be present in my kids school. How many children will be killed in the gunfight many are proposing we allow.

why allow CCW at all, there could be "gun fights" all over the place......countless numbers of people could be killed.......

and to tell you the truth.....ide much rather my kid be at the scene of a gun fight.....than at the scene of a mass murder......


but this doesnt just apply to pre/middle/ high schools.........it also applies to colleges......where students who are legally allowed to CCW cannot......

so students who live on campus....and students who commute....cannot have their guns when they go to or leave campus.

 

[Cal-gun Fan]

There is no inconsistency. I am in charge of protecting my family and loved ones. I am not in favor of arming or allowing unknown individuals armed to be present in my kids school. How many children will be killed in the gunfight many are proposing we allow. Arming students and teachers is not the answer to a problem we have in situaations like Columbine or Virginia Tech. I don't have a single answer nor do I think there is one.

I agree with you Snubbies. Guns are NOT the problem on either side of the issue. Insanity and savagery is the problem, to be honest.

Take this into account: Who did the shooting at Columbine? Was it someone from outside the school? No-it was two students. And this law proposes letting students who are old enough to do so legally carry guns on campus.

Somebody said that the gun free zones only serve to make you feel safe, they don't actually make you safe. Well...in a situation like a school shooting, doesn't carrying a gun do the same thing? You assume that you could just take your pistol and pop the bad guy, but you don't consider the mass panic that will be ensuing. I just don't think this is a great idea.

 

[M-Cameron]

Somebody said that the gun free zones only serve to make you feel safe, they don't actually make you safe. Well...in a situation like a school shooting, doesn't carrying a gun do the same thing? You assume that you could just take your pistol and pop the bad guy, but you don't consider the mass panic that will be ensuing. I just don't think this is a great idea.

no, carrying a gun isnt some magical cure-all.....if you think it is, you shouldnt be carrying a gun, because it will be useless to you........it simply gives you the opportunity to defend yourself.


if you honestly believe what you wrote......why carry a gun anywhere?
everywhere you go there is a risk of hitting a by-stander......and shooting to defend your self is never easy........so why carry at all?.....BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU OPTIONS

you dont always NEED a gun......but if you do need it.....wouldnt you rather have it on you?

 

[Warp]

One place where I agree that guns do not belong is in a bar. Booze and guns do not mix.

It has been legal in Indiana (among other states) for a long time.

Would you kindly point me in the direction of an incident where a licensed carrier at a bar did anything s/he was not supposed to? Thank you.

Somebody said that the gun free zones only serve to make you feel safe, they don't actually make you safe. Well...in a situation like a school shooting, doesn't carrying a gun do the same thing? You assume that you could just take your pistol and pop the bad guy, but you don't consider the mass panic that will be ensuing. I just don't think this is a great idea.

If you "assume that you could just take your pistol and pop the bad guy, but you don't consider the mass panic that will be ensuing" and actually carry a gun I suggest that you are not doing it right.

 

[Cal-gun Fan]

no, carrying a gun isnt some magical cure-all.....if you think it is, you shouldnt be carrying a gun, because it will be useless to you........it simply gives you the opportunity to defend yourself.

And realistically, how many would take that opportunity, seriously? If there was a school shooting, chances are you'd be panicking, and I can guaran-dam-tee you that a janitor or teacher would be too or wouldn't want to try to be the hero.

 

[Warp]

There is no inconsistency. I am in charge of protecting my family and loved ones. I am not in favor of arming or allowing unknown individuals armed to be present in my kids school. How many children will be killed in the gunfight many are proposing we allow. Arming students and teachers is not the answer to a problem we have in situaations like Columbine or Virginia Tech. I don't have a single answer nor do I think there is one.

I'm sorry but this is just absolutely stupid liberal nonesense if you ask me. If somebody wants to go shoot up the school having a good guy or gal present who can shoot back is a good thing.

 

[Warp]

And realistically, how many would take that opportunity, seriously? If there was a school shooting, chances are you'd be panicking, and I can guaran-dam-tee you that a janitor or teacher would be too or wouldn't want to try to be the hero.

Just because you don't have any faith in yourself that isn't a good enough reason to give up all faith in others.

 

[Justin]

There is no inconsistency. I am in charge of protecting my family and loved ones. I am not in favor of arming or allowing unknown individuals armed to be present in my kids school. How many children will be killed in the gunfight many are proposing we allow. Arming students and teachers is not the answer to a problem we have in situaations like Columbine or Virginia Tech. I don't have a single answer nor do I think there is one.

So, it's your position that if a teacher (who probably went through a background check to secure their job) opts to get a carry permit (which means they will have to clear the hurdle of not having a criminal conviction, plus pass mandatory safety training*) opts to carry a defensive sidearm, (an action that is presumably already legal in nearly every other venue in their state of residence) that they should be arrested, charged with a crime, convicted, and thrown in prison?




*In most states

 

[M-Cameron]

And realistically, how many would take that opportunity, seriously? If there was a school shooting, chances are you'd be panicking, and I can guaran-dam-tee you that a janitor or teacher would be too or wouldn't want to try to be the hero.

yeah, i would probably be panicking......and im sure as hell not going to be partolling the halls looking for the shooter........im going to try to run to safety.....

but if the shooter finds me.....im hoping my will to live trumps my fear of being shot......and that applies to any SD scenario.

 

[Cal-gun Fan]

I'm sorry but this is just absolutely stupid liberal nonesense if you ask me. If somebody wants to go shoot up the school having a good guy or gal present who can shoot back is a good thing.

So not wanting one's child to go to a school or college where other students, who at that age are probably not the most responsible of people, can carry guns on campus is being liberal? Thats funny

 

[Cal-gun Fan]

Just because you don't have any faith in yourself that isn't a good enough reason to give up all faith in others.

Ok then, name one mass-shooting that has been stopped by a licensed carrier.

 

[Warp]

So not wanting one's child to go to a school or college where other students, who at that age are probably not the most responsible of people, can carry guns on campus

I am not in favor of arming or allowing unknown individuals armed to be present in my kids school. How many children will be killed in the gunfight many are proposing we allow. Arming students and teachers is not the answer to a problem we have in situaations like Columbine or Virginia Tech.

Question 1:

Do you consider these two statements one and the same?

 

[bushmaster1313]

Why would you want to carry in a school?? I can see having police available in schools, which some schools already have, but not to allow the public to carry in schools.

Anyone ever hear of Laurie Dann from the Chicago area?

Laurie Dann (née Wasserman) (October 18, 1957–May 20, 1988) was an American murderer who shot and killed a boy, and wounded two girls and three boys, in a Winnetka, Illinois, elementary school, then took a family hostage and shot a man before killing herself.

Too bad the teacher in that classroom did not have a gun.

 

[M-Cameron]

So not wanting one's child to go to a school or college where other students, who at that age are probably not the most responsible of people, can carry guns on campus is being liberal? Thats funny

would you have a problem with your child going into a mall where there are legal CCW holders........?

how about a super market....?

what makes a school so different?

Ok then, name one mass-shooting that has been stopped by a licensed carrier.

there are none......because the majority of them take place in "gun free zones"....where legal carriers cant take their weapons.....

 

[Cal-gun Fan]

Question 1:

Do you consider these two statements one and the same?

Not the same word for word, but they both are the same point.

 

[Warp]

Ok then, name one mass-shooting that has been stopped by a licensed carrier.

If it was stopped how would it exist?

If licensed carriers are not currently allowed to carry in these locations...

Critical thinking: You need it.

 

[Kendal Black]

In the century before last, if you could lawfully own a gun, you could put it in your pocket or your valise, no one the wiser.

Undoing progress is hard. That's why I don't like progress.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Don't know what shooting it was but one was stopped when a student ran out to his car and got his handgun and stopped the shooter without firing a shot.

So not wanting one's child to go to a school or college where other students, who at that age are probably not the most responsible of people, can carry guns on campus is being liberal? Thats funny

How would carrying in school be different than carrying in public?

 

[Warp]

would you have a problem with your child going into a mall where there are legal CCW holders........?

how about a super market....?


what makes a school so different?

Bingo.

 

[Cal-gun Fan]

would you have a problem with your child going into a mall where there are legal CCW holders........?

how about a super market....?

what makes a school so different?



there are none......because the majority of them take place in "gun free zones"....where legal carriers cant take their weapons.....

I want my school to be a safe environment. I know that it will never be that, but I want it as close as possible, honestly.

And at malls I have Gecko45 to keep me safe.

 

[CraigC]

Snubbies, you gotta get out of occuppied territory! Live among the mad long enough and you'll start acting just like `em. The reason we need this law repealed is because those who go to schools to commit evil acts....wait for it.......DON'T ABIDE LAWS ANYWAY!!!! They know the people there have been stripped of their right to defend themselves.

So not wanting one's child to go to a school or college where other students, who at that age are probably not the most responsible of people, can carry guns on campus is being liberal?

Oh no, what if your child is exposed to those same right-wing, gun totin' radicals at the local shopping mall???

Like was said, emotion vs. logic. Blind, stupid emotion is winning this one.