Ron Paul Seeks To Reduce Gun Free Zones

[Robert Hairless]

*sigh* As much as i love Ron Paul, his name here should be censored with 'he who should not be named lest this thread be a train-wreck'. Even though only Ron Paul the representative has bearing here, someone always has to complain about Ron Paul the presidential hopeful.

*sigh* Well played, but you mistake me and don't understand what I've said.

I've no complaints about Ron Paul and I've never considered him a Presidential hopeful. Neither, I think, did he. And that's directly related to what I have been suggesting. Ron Paul is a self made joke who trivializes whatever he proposes or supports.

I'm sorry you don't understand either the joke or the point. I am not surprised that you think his advocacy helps your cause. In fact his advocacy hurts. Gucci would have a fit if Bozo the Clown endorsed its shoes. Some gun owners, however, think it's a real good thing for Ron Paul to be identified with what they want.

You think my messages are off topic. They aren't. *sigh*

 

[average_shooter]

In fact his advocacy hurts.

Care to explain how?

So you think these bills are bad? Or they would be good, if they didn't have Paul's name on them?

 

[Robert Hairless]

bsf:

As far as this thread is concerned, I do not care about your views on Ron Paul! Either provide useful information on these bills and the support thereof, or go away.

Can I have lunch first?

It hurts so bad that you don't care about my views on Ron Paul. I thought that since Ron Paul sponsored those bills that it would be okay to say that I thought they didn't stand a prayer and why, which in large part is because Ron Paul is a maladroit clown. He does great harm while you think he is doing something good.

 

[Robert Hairless]

Care to explain how?

So you think these bills are bad? Or they would be good, if they didn't have Paul's name on them?

Nope, I can't stay. Bsf has just ordered me out of this thread. Sorry, but I don't want to disobey him. He's tough and I'm scared.

 

[average_shooter]

So Rob, whats with the air of superiority or whatever it is you have going on tonight?

Baseless claims, deriding others for supporting good legislation, deriding yet others for supposedly acting as you are yourself?

What gives?

 

[Nobody's_Hero]

I don't think his advocacy hurts these bills. I don't think these bills will pass, but it is because similar bills never have before. People still want to follow the "leaders" who promise the milk and honey. They follow the Bradies and the Clintons, because they can "promise" them "safety." "National Parks are teeming with officers there to protect you", "you might trip on a hike and shoot yourself", or "a bear may take your gun and use it against you." The lies sound convincing, believe it or not, to so many sheep.

If these bills don't get off the ground, that will be the reason.

Nonetheless, I am writing up a letter of support and pleas to my representatives to support this bill.

 

[feedthehogs]

"Bills don't have a snowballs chance in heck of passing"

Same dribble from the coolaid drinking gun owner sudo-intellectuals who didn't support Paul in his run for president.

Pesky Paul and his ideals. If he had just sold them out, people would like him more.

What's he thinking trying to help out gun owners by introducing legislation that possibly couldn't be passed.

Stand up for my rights, I'll show him.
(off to my room to fondle my gun and NRA hat)

 

[bsf]

Nonetheless, I am writing up a letter of support and pleas to my representatives to support this bill.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Quite true, Nobody's Hero

 

[anygunanywhere]

I would like to contact my representative and ask him to support this legislation but it wouldn't do any good because my representative is Ron Paul.



Anygunanywhere

 

[Cesiumsponge]

It sounds like many people here have the attitude that a successful politician votes for the bills that win. If you want status quo, go vote for Hillary Clinton. I bet she is a much more "successful politician" because she voted for bills that would win rather than voting on the right principles. People want the free medication and the free schooling. People want what isn't rightfully theirs. Voting for what's right isn't easy when you have a political career to uphold, especially if the right thing is unpopular. It's much easier to take free money from special interest groups and keep you popular enough to get on the payroll for several more years by making empty promises.

You know what? I see the exact same attitude from many people that vote for their candidates. They'll vote for the "probable winners" rather than voting for the right person. You're not betting on horses or greyhounds. This is why this country is in the precarious position it's in today. Everyone is concerned with the "winner". The winner is what you make it, not what the TV says.

Seeing some of the attitudes of people on this forum we're our own worst enemies when you start bashing someone that actually introduces bills that gun owners would support.

 

[Nobody's_Hero]

You know what? I see the exact same attitude from many people that vote for their candidates. They'll vote for the "probable winners" rather than voting for the right person. You're not betting on horses or greyhounds. This is why this country is in the precarious position it's in today. Everyone is concerned with the "winner". The winner is what you make it, not what the TV says.

Exactly.

The winning vote is the one that is cast by you, and you alone. It is not one that is convinced away from you, or manipulated into the lesser of two evils. It is the one good in an ocean of evils. It is yours.

But don't take it from me. I could be full of **** for all I know. Take it from this guy . . .

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

 

[publius]

This is a man who ran for President of the United States of America with the slogan "Who is Ron Paul?"

That's not true. That slogan was put on a blimp by an independent advertising firm which was briefly a PAC (maybe), but which, because of McCain-Feingold rules, could NEVER have ANY affiliation with the Ron Paul for President campaign. I thought it was a very creative way around campaign finance laws, but agree with you that the slogans they chose for the banners were terrible. Still, it's neither accurate, fair, nor on topic for this thread to say that Ron Paul had anything to do with that slogan - he did not. For further discussion of the Ron Paul Blimp Project and the relationship to campaign finance reform, may I recommend this thread on TFL.

 

[TallPine]

Sent message urging my congressman to co-sponsor these 3 bills.

 

[brigadier]

None of this Ron Paul stuff really matters anymore. The American populace is going to get what it wants and deserves. And the American populace wants nothing to do with the Constitution.

Admittedly I've lost all my previous optimism that "the people" would ever "get it" and turn things around. For all the talk lately of "Change!" nobody seems to actually want real change...

Sadly, I am with you 100%. Our entire country, including our gun owners culture, is too stuck on personal interest while at the same time forsaking conviction. I really can't understand why we are willing to sacrifice our lives to expand the size of our military and meddle in Iraq's affairs while allowing tyranny grow here at home betraying in both ways the oath that every soldier takes to uphold and protect the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. If you want to fight to the death for your country, then at least get killed fighting someone who is actually trying to destroy it.
Then again, for most gun enthusiasts, it's just a hobby. No one ever has conviction over a hobby alone.
One thing that bothers me to no end is how we keep posting these articles about some good family man who gets stripped from his possessions and family and thrown in prison to rot and watch his children grow up through a window over some ridiculous government behavior and then just gripe about how evil it is and then preach about giving money to the NRA and write letters to our legislators as if that actually works.If you want to see a good example of an individual getting off his butt and actually making a difference, look at Alex Jones. Sure, he gets very emotional, badgers people who need to be badgered and seems a little off his rocker overall, but the man actually makes a difference. He has actually stopped the spreading of this stuff and if you listen to him explain how, he never mentions paying money to the NRA or complaining to the government. It all revolves around fighting the government as the enemy they are and getting out and doing something about it.
The No.1 thing that bothers me though is when we embrace ideals that are all part of the decay of our national respect for the constitution and rights while at the same time cutting down the very few people who are making a stand and enduring persecution and sacrifice for the preservation and restoration of our liberties, behavior which about 1/4 of this thread consists of. I've been there, fighting hard and enduring sacrifice for our rights. It's because of the behaviors of those who I was fighting for, not against, that I gave up. In other words, I now believe my own are not worth fighting for.
Such behavior in even the deepest part of our nations constitutional culture is among the reasons why I too think this country fully deserves what it's got coming and then some.
Our species is many thousands of years old, and liberty is only a few hundred year old concept and far shorter in practice. Tyranny is what our species is use to and fits our way of thinking and behavior. As demonstrated right here on this thread, our species doesn't yet know how to live freely and because of the inequities and lack of tolerance that ALL of our cultures and crowds have for one another, we WILL pay for it with our own blood and a steady march in to bondage.