Blackpowder and all the fixin's

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First of all, I want to say that this is a great forum! I'm new to blackpowder and can't seem to get enough of all the information provided here. Well, to start out with I'm not sure how to get ahold of the REAL BP without buying a case and a $20 Haz Mat fee. I'm located in Indiana and I would really like to start out with the authentic BP. I'm a lady who loves to shoot but I've never owned a BP gun. The Pietta 1851 Navy all steel that Midway offers seems to be a pretty middle of the road choice as far as $, I like the barrel style too! I want to start out with a C&B revolver. Not sure whether to get a .44 or a .36 yet. Is there much difference? I know that I'll jump in with both feet on this, so all the grounding y'all can give me will be greatly appreciated!;) I own a couple other revolvers... S&W 357 6" and a .38 SN. I've already mixed the all famous "Lube" of tallow, beeswax, and pariffen to get started. I like the kick and the smell of BP and hopefully after some advise I'll keep y'all posted on my progress! Thank you, Teresa (TESS)
 
Tess, The 51 is a great revolver. I just bought one right after Christmas but it's not one I would recomend for a first time BP revolver.The reason is that the open tops are a little harder to tune and can be a pain in the butt to shoot when the caps fall into the works and lock things up.
If you start with an all steel 1858 I feel that you will really enjoy it. Cabelas has about the best price on them and buy the steel , not the brass frame.
When you buy it grt the starter kit they sell with it. That will give you a powder flask, 100 .451 balls, cleaning kit, a 100 wonder wads and so on. All you will need is your powder and caps.
Real Goex or Elephant or Swiss or any of the real powders are becoming really hard to find. Check your yellow oages or do a Google search for muzzle loader shops in your area.Most of the good small shops still carry it.Your next best bet would be to get some Hodges Pyrodex "P". It's the closest powder you will find to the real thing and it loads volume for volume the same as the true fffg black powders.You will want a good adjustable powder measure with a small funnel on it. You will also need some Reminton #10 caps. Some seem to like the #11 best but I think they are a little to large. It's just a matter of choice. A capper is hard to find for a revolver so most just use there fingers to just start the cap and then use a piece of 3/8"x6 doll rod with a piece of round leather glued on the ends to shove the cap on snug to the nipple.
To start out with yu want to strip your gun down to nothing and get to know it's working parts and clean it of all grease and oil that it comes packed in.Clean the barrel really well ! Check all the parts for burs or snags( Anything that looks or feels like a hang nail,Lol) and smooth them up with a file or stone and sand paper. You don't really want to remove any metal, just smooth up all the parts. You will get into a lot of others things to do to it as you go along but for now we just want to get you shooten;)
I would use 20g. of Pyrodex"P" or Goex fffg. You can work your way up from there until you find what works best for you.
Set the cylinder on your bench or table and charge one cylinder with the powder and then slide a wonder wad over the mouth of the chamber and push the wad evenly down on the powder with the stick you made to seat the caps. Do each chamber that way and then replace the cylinder back in the revolver with the hammer on half cock , slide the cylinder pin into the cylinder hole and then load each chamber with a ball useing the rammer on the revolver. I then Like to use a little grease over the balls just tohelp keep things lubed and running well. Place the hammer down on one of the cylinder notches for safe carrying and your ready to go shoot. Have fun! Mike
 
Hey, thanks for the info. I looked right away at the 58 and it's a good lookin' one too. I'm still looking for real BP in my area, with no luck. I took apart my neighbors 51, cleaned and loaded it...to see if I could:D, and was really fun! If the 58 loading is smoother and easier, then you're probably right on my first purchase. I can't wait to get my own! My neighbor has a flask that measures right on the end of it. Is that okay,or should I get an adjustible one? You'll probably say it's a personal preference, but I don't want to get into habits I'll regret later LOL! Thanks again Mike.
Teresa
 
Hi Tess, welcome. This crowd are a great lot and full of help so you came to the right place.

I shoot a Pietta 1858 New Model Army Competition and it is my first BP gun. I think it is just the 'mutznutz' and very accurate.
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Oh, thats a real nice looking firearm right there! I've got the fever bad! I love the whole era of blackpowder guns. Just never actually bought my own. Very nice set up:) ! I'll be looking in here alot for help. Buying mine this week! Yippeeeeeeeee! Thx, Teresa
 
Tess,
Just to add to your enthusiasm, here are my Remmies for you take a gander at.
Top 2004 Pietta NMA Full 44 Rem. Kirst Conversion with ejector
2000 Pietta 44 NMA Still in the blue
2005 Pietta 44 NMA 4 3/4" Gunfighter
1858Remtrio-2.gif .
 
Nice collection! Do you have a preference on blued compared to stainless? I know that I've read here that the stainless cleans up better. If it takes alittle longer to clean up ...that's okay with me. That's the other half of the fun! I like the looks of the blued. I plan to shoot alot. The pics are great! TESS
 
Tess, Many of us like the blued revolvers because we like to strip the blueing and brown them so they look like the real thing. You can't do that with stainless.
As for the spout on the flask you may want to get one that has a 30g spout if your going to get the 58 Remington. For the 51 Navy a spout that throws 22or 25 g. would be great.
The reason I suggested an adjustable is because just like any other gun a few grains up or down can make a difference in accuracy and you may want to work up a load that is the most accurate for you and the gun your shooting. Mike
 
That's great to know...I'm gettin' the blued 58 that Cabelas has with the hardened frame and checkered stock. You have helped a bunch. I'm pretty good with my 6" S&W revolver, needed some tweeking at first but really tight groupings at 30 yds. I'm anxous to see how this handles. I've looked at some of the info on "aging" the guns on here. Great idea, I know...baby steps first. Let's get the gun here and Firerrrr up! TESS
 
Tess, That's great! Keep in mind that these guns are built in Italy and quality control is not always the best in the world but hey, neither are many of our USA companies:)
Make sure you check the timing on the cylinder to bore alingment.In other words make sure the cylinder holes are centered with the bore.. After you take it down to clean it and polish all the parts ad a little litheum white grease to the nipple threads before you replace them. It will make them much easier to take out next time. If you don't have a nipple wrench you will need a good one for revolvers. Forgot to tell you that. You can call Cabelas back and they can ad the one you need to your order.
When you get it before you take it down the first time let us know and we can talk you through it if you want. Take care and have fun! , Mike
 
Once again...thanks for the info. I'm making alot of purchases for my newly found habit :D ! Ya know...standard things for a good base on the sport. Sure gets cold here in IN waitin' out by the mailbox;) ! Not anxious or nuttin' like that! Keep ya posted...Teresa
 
Funny/odd about the scarcity of powder in some areas. I've never had any problem here in Missouri. I generally keep about six or seven pounds of the stuff in three grades. I hardly ever use pyrodex even though the Hodgdon factory is next door to the range I shoot at. Goex is available at every gun shop I've been to here.

Welcome to THR Teresa! Awful nice group of folks on these forums. Be sure to ask questions if you are in doubt about anything.
 
If you have a Bass Pro or Cabela's near you, ask at the gun counter for black powder. They generally have it (the ones near me do, anyway), but it's get "in the back" (probably in a BATFE-approved powder magazine) because it's classified as an explosive. All you will see on the shelves are the subs, like Pyrodex and Triple Seven.

The shops near me get $14.95/pound for Goex, plus tax. Of course, I use enough of it that I buy by the case from Powder, Inc. With shipping and HazMat, a 25 pound case costs me about $9.50/pound delivered.

If you just can't find it locally, put up a notice at your local range or gun shops asking if anyone wants to share a case. When I order from Powder, Inc., I usually order 50 pounds at a time, and I share it with 3 or 4 buddies. You can also find guys who use a lot of black powder by attending a cowboy action shooting match or a muzzle loading tournament.
 
Oh that's wonderful...I thought you had to order a case at a time. I wasn't looking in the right spots. You have been very helpful!!!!!!!!!Teresa:D
 
Finally here!

My 58 finally arrived! I really like it...can't wait to shoot. Maybe if the weather holds I'll get out. Right now I'm taking "her" apart and giving a once over(maybe twice)and smoothing the little burrs off. only found a couple. Isn't as hard as I thought it would be to tear down and reassemble. Had some practice with my other revolvers;) .I borrowed some powder from my neighbor and he is more than willing to give me a hand! I'm having some Goex shipped right to me, didn't have to buy a full case...yet...and it should be here this week. Thanks y'all...I'll try to get some pics on here. Maybe my first shot with "her", that will be one to remember:D ! Teresa P.S. Slickin' it up real good with "lube" before and after assembly. Keep ya posted!
 
Hey Tess! Did you get it yet??:D Just had to rub it in. Cabelas is really good about fast shipping. Bet you'll have it before the week is out.
 
Tess, Remember to be very careful when you pour the powder from the can into the flask or charger. Static electricity is for real in the dry winter months and the results with open powder containers can be catastrophic. Make sure you use ether a plastic funnel or brass pouring spout. Other than that have fun!
 
Wow! That didn't take long at all! Have fun and be careful. Make sure you dry the cylinder and nipple holes real well before loading it. A pipe cleaner works greatfor the nipples. If they are damp or have oil in them it can prevent the caps from fireing. Mike
 
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