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Did Bond Arms ever make a 41mag?
Bond Arms--Do they need more calibers?
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I doubt it but now they have a .44 Mag in the Cyclops series. The .41 Mag is way too much for me on a Bond derringer. I could go for the .44 Special barrel though.
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Want a Cyclops but shying away because of the intense recoil. Well maybe it is not so bad:
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Ordered a Bond Arms .30 Carbine barrel today at Taylor's & Company. I had inquired of them about getting the barrel which is listed as a backorder on their site. They said, "We can back order this item for you. We receive shipments from Bond about once a month. It will be approximately 1-2 months wait time to receive one of these."
So I clicked it into my cart as a back order and proceeded to place the order. If you try this, beware that before you submit the order, and after setting up your account, check your email because they sent me a 10% off my first order coupon code which knocked about $17 off the price of the barrel.
To be sure I have some ammo for it, I ordered four 50-round boxes of Precision One 110 grain FMJ .30 Carbine from Kir Ammo along with some other ammo to meet the free shipping over $200 requirement. Also, i got a $5 off coupon from a pop-up on their site.
So I clicked it into my cart as a back order and proceeded to place the order. If you try this, beware that before you submit the order, and after setting up your account, check your email because they sent me a 10% off my first order coupon code which knocked about $17 off the price of the barrel.
To be sure I have some ammo for it, I ordered four 50-round boxes of Precision One 110 grain FMJ .30 Carbine from Kir Ammo along with some other ammo to meet the free shipping over $200 requirement. Also, i got a $5 off coupon from a pop-up on their site.
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I should have included above that what moved me to inquire with Taylor's & Company was a response from Bond Arms about that I cannot find a .30 Carbine barrel anywhere. They replied, "Reach out to these folks. If they don't have one in stock, they can get one from us without issue." So that gave me the confidence that if I ordered, Bond would deliver.
‘I look forward to hearing about your range report.
I only fired one round from my Ruger 30 cal Blackhawk before selling it. The sound felt like my head was splitting in two.
Maybe with the shorter barrel of the Bond the bullet won’t be able to have the speed necessary to be as loud as from the Ruger.
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Be a couple months before I have that barrel. Meanwhile I found this for rifles, which gives some comparison:Doesn’t seem bad.
But I’d rather take YOUR word
Cartridge (Wb@MV), Rifle Weight, Recoil energy , Recoil velocity
.41 Rem. Mag. (210 at 1775)__7.0__________9.5__________9.4
.357 Mag. (158 at 1650)______7.0___________4.7__________6.6
.223 Rem. (62 at 3025)_______7.0___________3.9__________6.0
.45 Colt (255 at 1100)________8.0___________4.0__________5.6
.30 Carbine (110 at 1990)____7.0___________3.5__________5.7
.38 Special. (158 at 1100)____7.0___________1.7__________4.0
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I'll be be doing a transfer this week and one of my plans with it was to add a 9mm Stinger RS to my order. Looking at what Bond has I see they have an extended grip model they call the Honey B.
IDK how much I'd carry a Bond, depends on how slim these Stingers are, but does the extended grip on the Honey B make it worth getting over thr Stinger?
IDK how much I'd carry a Bond, depends on how slim these Stingers are, but does the extended grip on the Honey B make it worth getting over thr Stinger?
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Well, the extended grip would make it more stable to shoot, might help accuracy. Depends what you are doing with it. If you are going for backup gun and want it as small as possible, then stick with the smaller grip. Or for ultra small, get the 2.2" barrel Stuby in 9mm. But, yeah, for an extra $41 to get the extended grip (MSRP $69), it is reasonable, though not a super deal, just fair I guess.
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My .30 Carbine barrel arrived. Havn't had a chance to try it out yet.
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I'm really anxious to hear a muzzle blast description. I've slowed down on my Bond purchases. The common sense ½ ⅓ ⅕ ⅒ of me says 10 frames and 17 total barrels is enough but I really want a .30 Carbine barrel* and history says I won't be able to hold out forever.
*and a .327 Federal, and a 10mm, and............................................
*and a .327 Federal, and a 10mm, and............................................
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Well this is a short report, but I took 50 rounds of PrecisonOne .30 Carbine to the range today, shot it all and my hand and arm are not sore like they were from the .45s. I did have the extended grip pictured some posts back and a padded glove. I won't show my incompetence but just my best shot, at about 3 yards, perhaps a tad less, two shots, not bad for me.
The muzzle flash is awesome! After the chamber you have effectively a bit over a 1.5" barrel for a rifle round. I must say this was a fun shoot and I am glad I got the .30 Carbine barrel.
I noticed that between my Rowdy, Roughneck, and Rawhide. The barrels are tightest on the Rawhide and loosest on the Roughneck. Don't know what that is all about.
As expected. it didn’t take much distance to start key holing.
How was the sound level compared to shooting the Ruger BH 30 carbine?
Are you able to tell if the barrel looseness is at the hinge point or the lockup latch?
How was the sound level compared to shooting the Ruger BH 30 carbine?
Are you able to tell if the barrel looseness is at the hinge point or the lockup latch?
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I think the barrel looseness was both. The Rawhide with the 9mm barrel is pretty tight, really does not wiggle at all, and shows 0.007" gap in the hinge. But the .30 Carbine barrel had a gap of about 0.012" in the Roughneck. I did notice the .30 Carbine seemed to have a little more play up and down vs the typical side to side play.
If I put the 4.25" .45/.410 barrel on the Rawhide it is really tight. In fact I can't release the barrel to reload unless I squeeze the barrel down into the frame--its that tight.
A little disappointing, but they all shoot fine and the key-holing is a function of the extremely short barrel. If they made a 6" barrel for the .30 Carbine it might do a lot better.
Those extended grips I pictured in a previous post were on the Roughneck and for that I had to add some Gorilla Tape to make them fit tight. I switched the grips to the Rowdy and had to add more Gorilla Tape to make them tight on that frame.
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Seeing those keyholes for the .30 Carbine is a reminder that such short barrels can produce that result. Not that a keyholding bullet at 5 yards can't hit or be effective, but if it's going to do that I'd rather have a larger chunk of lead to ensure penetration, that or use round balls.
I'd been thinking about it and now I think when the time comes I'll get the. 38 Stinger instead or the 9mm. A HBWC probably won't tumble and if it does, it will hit hard. Also, my two round ball handload would be nifty in a derringer.
I'd been thinking about it and now I think when the time comes I'll get the. 38 Stinger instead or the 9mm. A HBWC probably won't tumble and if it does, it will hit hard. Also, my two round ball handload would be nifty in a derringer.
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I should have photographed the entire target sheet. I don't think all rounds keyholed, but that might be the law of averages, or maybe the 5 yard shots had less key-holing. Anyway a fun gun.
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I did photograph enough of the target sheet to show not all were keyholed:
this can happen when each product isn’t precisely finished to the same, common, exacting, tolerances. bond arms purposely lets these lower priced models go out its door less finished to chase more sales. my three puchases of them were unsuccessful, various barrels unswitchable, ill-fitted barrel release levers locked up. my three remaining original gen2 models with ten various barrels present no such problems. i know that others like the lower priced models, ive been burned too often and b.a. uncharacteristically was of little help. as always, ymmv.
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Has to be a reason going from the Rowdy to the Texas Defender the price about doubles. At least the barrels that come on any given rough series gun should work well on that gun, but these cheaper guns may not be a good deal for someone who wants to have a lot of other barrels. I have three frames so between them will be able to use all my barrels. It is what it is but maybe Bond should make a note that barrel interchangeability is not guaranteed on the Rough Series?
fwiw i have never paid full price for a gen2 original b.a. derringer. of four i bought (one i sold) two were nib from large online vendors: a 45lc only barrel for $349 another was a 45lc/410 for $389. the other two were used from gb.com at $250-300 range. given their stout build and likely not shot much history, i believe that a used gen2 original is a trustworthy used buy.
