Bond Arms--Do they need more calibers?

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This calculator should give you a rough idea. I say rough idea as you'll need to guess at the velocities from the short barrel.

ShootersCalculator.com | Recoil Calculator

An online calculator that calculates the recoil energy, impulse, and velocity of a firearm according to the firearm's weight, powder charge, bullet weight, and bullet muzzle velocity.

shooterscalculator.com

That is a handy calculator, and so is this table I found:

Rifle Recoil Table: Recoil Energy, Velocity and Level | Sportsman's Warehouse

A rifle recoil table and guide to rifle recoil energy, recoil velocity and recoil score

www.sportsmans.com

However, I may have my answer. A You Tuber firing a Bond .30 Carbine said,
"The carbine has more bark than bite. It makes a ton of noise with a great fireball at dusk."

This article says,
"Though a revolver cartridge, the modern .327 Fed. Mag. cartridge is ballistically quite similar to the .30 Carbine. It fires a .312-inch-diameter bullet as opposed to a .308-inch-diameter bullet and operates at 45,000 psi as opposed to 40,000."
https://www.shootingillustrated.com...ne-the-most-overlooked-cartridge-of-all-time/

On the other hand, this article says,
"Just as a point of comparison, the .30 Carbine has more than double the muzzle energy of the .45 ACP, over 25% more muzzle energy than the 10mm Auto, about 25% less energy than the 5.56x45mm NATO/.223 Remington, and less than half the energy of the .30-06. So, the designers of the .30 Carbine pretty clearly accomplished their goal of building a cartridge neatly filling gap in between typical rifle and pistol capabilities."
https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/the-30-carbine/

So I think it might be a nasty one to shoot out of a Bond Derringer. So, given how difficult it is to find the .30 Carbine barrel, maybe the smart thing to do is get the .327 Magnum barrel. Should be just as much fun. But I won't have that historic .30 Carbine round which looks so cool.


I guess the best thing to do is buy Bond barrels in all available calibers. And if I live long enough I very well might get there--provided my hands don't get too weak from those bigger calibers.

 

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Actually, the .327 Magnum looks as cool as the .30 Carbine, just a tad shorter.

 

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Hey, what gives? American Rifleman earlier this month shows a Stinger RS in .327 Magnum but I don't even see that on Bond Arms website? Or is it the Bond Arms Wasp .327 Magnum? But I don't see that either.

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Building The Bond Arms 'Wasp' .327 Fed. Mag. Pistol

The author turns to the Bond Arms Stinger RS, a slim, potent and affordably priced pistol, to serve as the foundation for creating the "Wasp" chambered for the .327 Fed. Mag. cartridge.

www.americanrifleman.org

Their is a photo of the .327 and .38 barrels breech ends, loaded, and the caption says,
"The smaller .327 Fed. Mag. chambers of the special order barrel . . ."
Turns out the .327 Stinger is a special order item that we probably can't get.

 

[Big7]

https://www.bondarms.com/Stinger-22LR-P8576.aspx
Bond Arms Stinger 22 lr is 14 ounces - Assume a 32 acp version would be of similar weight, even if 12 ounces, stick with me...
https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/pistols/p32/
Kel-Tec P32 is like 7 ounces.

I'm not a 32 acp carrier; but, I fail to see how two rounds of 32 (derringer) in a heavier package would be preferred over 8 rounds of 32 (Kel-Tec P32).
Maybe that is why they don't offer it (Bond Arms derringer) in 32. Though that would not account for it being offered in 380 when the LCP or P3AT is a thing either.

Because those Bond Arms are as useless as teats on a Boar Hog.

And.. Don't forget expensive.

 

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Ok, I guess the .327 Magnum barrel is the way to go. According to Shooting Illustrated, "the true beauty of the .327 Federal Magnum is its ability to fire four other cartridges. You can shoot .32 ACP, .32 Long, .32 Short and .32 H&R Mag. ammunition in any .327 Federal Magnum revolver." What goes for a revolver should also go for a Bond Arms barrel?

Only it looks like both .327 Magnum and .32 H&R Magnum are harder to find than .30 Carbine. At least range ammo.

 

[jstert]

Ok, I guess the .327 Magnum barrel is the way to go. According to Shooting Illustrated, "the true beauty of the .327 Federal Magnum is its ability to fire four other cartridges. You can shoot .32 ACP, .32 Long, .32 Short and .32 H&R Mag. ammunition in any .327 Federal Magnum revolver." What goes for a revolver should also go for a Bond Arms barrel?

Only it looks like both .327 Magnum and .32 H&R Magnum are harder to find than .30 Carbine. At least range ammo.

in reply to my query bond arms specifically advised against shooting 32acp out of the 327mag barrel. 32long is nice.

 

[airfoil]

in reply to my query bond arms specifically advised against shooting 32acp out of the 327mag barrel. 32long is nice.

Wonder why...could it be that the non-rimmed case of the .32 ACP could get jammed in the cylinder after firing?

I dunno, I've shot ACP outta more than a few .32 long/mag revolvers...no fingers lost or other problems.

 

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I don't have a problem firing .32 ACP out of it as I have a dowel I can use to eject cartridges. Problem with the .327 barrel is all the calibers you can shoot out of it are hard to get, especially the .327 Mag and .32 H&R Mag. I think i may just go for the .30 Carbine barrel instead.

 

[Old_Grouch]

Because those Bond Arms are as useless as teats on a Boar Hog.

Yeah, I feel the same way about over/under shotguns, single shot rifles, well, basically anything that holds less than 30 rounds, in a flush fitting magazine, of anything less powerful than .45 Super.
The same goes for jewelry, paintings, and sculpture. Totally useless for self defense.

 

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Q: Can you shoot .45 Super out of a Bond .45 ACP barrel?

 

[WisBorn]

Q: Can you shoot .45 Super out of a Bond .45 ACP barrel?

It should say in the owners manual. I know that you're not supposed to shoot Ruger only or +p 45 Colt loads from the 45/410.

 

[TTv2]

Unless you live in California, NY, NJ, MA, and IL should be able to buy ammo online and have it shipped to them, so why they'd chose .32 ACP over .32 Long in a .327 Bond derringer is befuddling. Shooting that short a cartridge with an improper sized rim that is going to blow the case back against the recoil shield is going to lose velocity and could lock up the firing pin as the primer gets impaled on it.

 

[TTv2]

It's cool to see that Bond is making a .327 barrel for the Stinger RS, even if it is a special order type of thing. I didn't know that the Aluminum framed Stinger had a fixed hinge pin and couldn't have the barrel replaced, so when I found that out just now it killed all interest I may have had in them.

It'd be nice if Bond would just make the .327 Stinger RS a standard production barrel that could be ordered online. I said months ago that when Bond made a .32 barrel of any sort in the Stinger RS I would buy one. Now they have, so it's a question of should I get the .38 or the 9mm?

 

[Old_Grouch]

so it's a question of should I get the .38 or the 9mm?

The answer is "yes".
When you aren't sure what to buy my advice is to narrow the choice to two then buy them both.

 

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It should say in the owners manual. I know that you're not supposed to shoot Ruger only or +p 45 Colt loads from the 45/410.

Well then .45 Super would have to be similar to or stronger than a +P so no go. But these guys think so,

Bond Arms Interchangeable Stainless Steel Barrel For .45 ACP/.45 Super BABL450ACP Finish: Stainless Steel, Caliber: .45 ACP, .45 Super, 16% Off w/ Free Shipping

Shop Bond Arms Interchangeable Stainless Steel Barrel For .45 ACP/.45 Super BABL450ACP | 16% Off 4.7 Star Rating on 3 Reviews for Bond Arms Interchangeable Stainless Steel Barrel For .45 ACP/.45 Super BABL450ACP...

www.opticsplanet.com

 

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So after much thought I figured I have all the calibers I need in Bond Arms with my 3" .45 ACP, .45 Colt/.410 and .38 Special/.357 Mag, and my 2.5" 9mm barrels. However, one place where I wished to have more is in barrel length. So when I spied a deal for a 4.25-inch in .45/.410 I could not resist. And this one can take 3-inch shot shells too! Going to look really nice, my Rowdy with a 4.25-inch barrel. Now, what to do with the 3-inch .45/.410 barrel.

 

[TTv2]

The answer is "yes".
When you aren't sure what to buy my advice is to narrow the choice to two then buy them both.

Normally I agree when I can't make a decision, but the problem here is I really only want the .327 and if Bond would just make that, I'd buy that.

The difference for me is I pretty much only load .38 due to cost savings, but I do not and never will load 9mm due to it being so cheap. The problem with that is I'm stuck with 115 or 124gr bullets because I don't use 147gr and it's more difficult to get than 115 or 124, while with .38 I'd be loading 158gr pretty regularly.

The drawback with .38 is primer availability and price. Of course, I wouldn't be shooting either .38 or 9mm that much, they're really just there if I care to pack the most amount of lead per shot in the smallest package possible.

 

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It's cool to see that Bond is making a .327 barrel for the Stinger RS, even if it is a special order type of thing. I didn't know that the Aluminum framed Stinger had a fixed hinge pin and couldn't have the barrel replaced, so when I found that out just now it killed all interest I may have had in them.

It'd be nice if Bond would just make the .327 Stinger RS a standard production barrel that could be ordered online. I said months ago that when Bond made a .32 barrel of any sort in the Stinger RS I would buy one. Now they have, so it's a question of should I get the .38 or the 9mm?

Seems to me they have the .327 barrel for the regular (not stinger) derringers. Bond's catalog number for it is L-BABL-300-327FEDMAG. If you look at these two reasonably priced ebay listings, both have that same catalog number, so should fit your regular Bond derringer, no?

Bond Arms Arms Barrel .327 Federal 3" Stainless 855959001383 | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Bond Arms Arms Barrel .327 Federal 3" Stainless at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

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Bond Arms Defender Barrel .327 Federal 3" - Gray for sale online | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Bond Arms Defender Barrel .327 Federal 3" - Gray at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

The Stinger .327 barrel is catalog number L-SRBL-300-327FEDMAG

 

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I inquired of Bond Arms on what cartridges you can run in the .327 Magnum barrel and they replied,
"You can use .327 fed mag, 32 H&R mag, .32 S&W and .32 colt new police ammo."

I never heard of the .32 Colt New Police ammo.

 

[TTv2]

Seems to me they have the .327 barrel for the regular (not stinger) derringers. Bond's catalog number for it is L-BABL-300-327FEDMAG. If you look at these two reasonably priced ebay listings, both have that same catalog number, so should fit your regular Bond derringer, no?

Bond Arms Arms Barrel .327 Federal 3" Stainless 855959001383 | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Bond Arms Arms Barrel .327 Federal 3" Stainless at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

Bond Arms Defender Barrel .327 Federal 3" - Gray for sale online | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Bond Arms Defender Barrel .327 Federal 3" - Gray at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

The Stinger .327 barrel is catalog number L-SRBL-300-327FEDMAG

Don't have a Bond Derringer, I would like a Stinger in .327, but to get it I'd have to buy a Stinger in .38 or 9

 

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Don't have a Bond Derringer, I would like a Stinger in .327, but to get it I'd have to buy a Stinger in .38 or 9

Oops, totally misread your message. Well anyway, there are a couple of regular .327 barrels available to those who have the regular Bond derringer. I guess it depends how much money you want to spend, but if you are getting the special order stinger .327 barrel, then I would recommend getting your Stinger in 9mm for the cheapest centerfire ammo option vs the expensive and hard to find any of the ammo that can go in the .327 barrel.

 

[wayneinFL]

Yeah, I feel the same way about over/under shotguns, single shot rifles, well, basically anything that holds less than 30 rounds, in a flush fitting magazine, of anything less powerful than .45 Super.
The same goes for jewelry, paintings, and sculpture. Totally useless for self defense.

You could whack somebody over the head with a sculpture. A derringer doesn't have enough mass to seriously hurt anybody.

 

[Old_Grouch]

A derringer doesn't have enough mass to seriously hurt anybody.

They're not impact weapons, you're supposed to load them.

 

[jstert]

I inquired of Bond Arms on what cartridges you can run in the .327 Magnum barrel and they replied,
"You can use .327 fed mag, 32 H&R mag, .32 S&W and .32 colt new police ammo."

I never heard of the .32 Colt New Police ammo.

it’s the same as s&w 32long. back then 32 was a preferred load. colt couldn’t bring itself to promote its arch competitor s&w by marking the barrel of its new to market, 32 police positive revolver with the words “s&w 32long” so it changed the round ever so slightly and called it 32 colt new police. the two rounds can be used interchangeably.

 

[jstert]

You could whack somebody over the head with a sculpture. A derringer doesn't have enough mass to seriously hurt anybody.

i wouldn’t want to be shot or pistol-whipped with a bond arms derringer: sturdy, steel, heavy, built like a brick outhouse.