Bond Arms--Do they need more calibers?

[jstert]

i don’t “need” it but i’m intrigued by the b.a. stinger rs in 22lr. i have a 22lr barrel for my fullsize b.a. derringers. it shoots absolutely fine but seems to be a mismatch, i.e. all that weight, size and build quality of the frame seems wasted on a soft-shooting 22lr barrel.

 

[jstert]

Yes to .32 acp

i read somewhere that gordon bond doesn’t believe in 32acp as a defensive caliber, hence bond arms won’t produce a 32acp barrel. the attractiveness of the 32 caliber family of revolver and pistol ammo is a popular topic on these pages.

 

[Autodidactic]

i read somewhere that gordon bond doesn’t believe in 32acp as a defensive caliber, hence bond arms won’t produce a 32acp barrel. the attractiveness of the 32 caliber family of revolver and pistol ammo is a popular topic on these pages.

Why have .22 then? .32 acp is more powerful and more reliable.

 

[Autodidactic]

i don’t “need” it but i’m intrigued by the b.a. stinger rs in 22lr. i have a 22lr barrel for my fullsize b.a. derringers. it shoots absolutely fine but seems to be a mismatch, i.e. all that weight, size and build quality of the frame seems wasted on a soft-shooting 22lr barrel.

I want a .22 version as well, and for the same reasons want the smaller/lighter ones.

 

[BreechFace]

Based on their current offerings, I can't imagine touching off a "Ruger Only" 45 Colt load out of one of those

 

[Autodidactic]

Based on their current offerings, I can't imagine touching off a "Ruger Only" 45 Colt load out of one of those

.357 is brutal out of my .357/.38 barrel.

 

[Shivahasagun]

Yup!

Needs double-action!

And maybe a .38 Super run...could fire .38 ACP and probably .38 Largo, too.

But they should make .32 acp & .25 acp first in the Stinger models.

But DA should be the priority!

 

[aaaaa]

That’s why a lot of us advocate appropriately powered calibers, such as .38 special

Yep, .38 Special dedicated barrel though I got a .38/.357 just so I could try out the .357s.

Yup!

Needs double-action!

And maybe a .38 Super run...could fire .38 ACP and probably .38 Largo, too.

But they should make .32 acp & .25 acp first in the Stinger models.

But DA should be the priority!

Making a DA could be a complicated design process and I guess it would change the look of the gun. Were any Derringers ever made in DA before?

 

[Shivahasagun]

Yep, .38 Special dedicated barrel though I got a .38/.357 just so I


Making a DA could be a complicated design process and I guess it would change the look of the gun. Were any Derringers ever made in DA before?

Oh yea, complete redesign. But I think they'd sell alot more of them.

Yes, I think there was a High Standard model that was DA. Not sure of its quality or anything, though.

It would need to be very reliable. Make it with a mix of alluminum & steel to lower the weight & cost would be a good idea. (Cheaper to manufacture easier-to-cut alluminum than steel)

A long trigger pull is acceptable, a heavy pull is not.

Should it use the same barrel sets? Yes!

Grips? Doesn't have to. Probably will need a new shape anyway.

 

[Autodidactic]

Yep, .38 Special dedicated barrel though I got a .38/.357 just so I


Making a DA could be a complicated design process and I guess it would change the look of the gun. Were any Derringers ever made in DA before?

Right, I have the .357/.38. That's how they used to come. Is one of the RS' now .38 only?

 

[Reinz]

Yep, ………..
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Were any Derringers ever made in DA before?

Yep, American Derringer made them in the 90’s.

The ones I saw were 38, or maybe 357/38, I can’t be positive for sure.

 

[aaaaa]

The double tap is hammer less so must be DA? Here is a write-up on it. .45 ACP or 9mm. Stores two spare rounds in the grip.

 

[jstert]

The double tap is hammer less so must be DA? Here is a write-up on it. .45 ACP or 9mm. Stores two spare rounds in the grip.
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the double-tap derringer really needs to be in some form of 32, max, but 22lr would be just dandy too. i cannot imagine its sharp recoil impulse with 45acp or even 9mm given the dt’s angular, hard grips.

 

[lincen]

I have a Bond Arms with six barrels, one being a 327 Federal Magnum. Since the 32acp has a slight rim, it should be no problem to use that round in the 327 barrel. I may have done that but don’t remember. I have shot some 32 longs and 32 H&R magnums in that barrel.

 

[aaaaa]

I have a Bond Arms with six barrels, one being a 327 Federal Magnum. Since the 32acp has a slight rim, it should be no problem to use that round in the 327 barrel. I may have done that but don’t remember. I have shot some 32 longs and 32 H&R magnums in that barrel.

Well that would be a rather versatile barrel, if all those calibers can be shot out of it.

 

[lincen]

I have a Bond Arms with six barrels, one being a 327 Federal Magnum. Since the 32acp has a slight rim, it should be no problem to use that round in the 327 barrel. I may have done that but don’t remember. I have shot some 32 longs and 32 H&R magnums in that barrel.

You can get carried away with the barrels.

 

[Jakemedic]

I would enjoy having one in .40. I never got rid of my .40 cal firearms when everyone migrated back to 9mm. It would be nice being able to reload off my spare mags if the situation warranted it. I do have a nice American Arms .38 special derringer. Cute and fun to shoot. Recoil is quite manageable. Although the weight of the 2 shot firearm keeps me from carrying it very often.

 

[jstert]

I have a Bond Arms with six barrels, one being a 327 Federal Magnum. Since the 32acp has a slight rim, it should be no problem to use that round in the 327 barrel. I may have done that but don’t remember. I have shot some 32 longs and 32 H&R magnums in that barrel.

i too have a 327 barrel and only shoot 32 long & short from it; very pleasant. i asked bond arms by email about 32acp and received a solid no in reply.

 

[aaaaa]

i too have a 327 barrel and only shoot 32 long & short from it; very pleasant. i asked bond arms by email about 32acp and received a solid no in reply.

Well it couldn't be because of pressure since the .327 Federal Magnum is about 2x the pressure of a .32 ACP.

 

[aaaaa]

Came across this beautiful image online and can't help posting it.

 

[Autodidactic]

i too have a 327 barrel and only shoot 32 long & short from it; very pleasant. i asked bond arms by email about 32acp and received a solid no in reply.

I don't get it. They have a .22 option, which was historically unreliable and less powerful/reliable (as a cartridge) than .32 ACP. .32 ACP out of a Stinger type would be amazing. I almost guarantee there is a market for .32 acp derringers. Also, it's not as if BA focuses only on the most popular calibers, such as .22, 9mm, .38, .45 ACP, etc. They have all kinds of obscure calibers in their derringers. What kind of cost benefit analysis went into choosing let's say .45 GAP or .30 carbine into a derringer over .32 ACP? You see, that doesn't make sense.

 

[aaaaa]

Well it couldn't be because of pressure since the .327 Federal Magnum is about 2x the pressure of a .32 ACP.

Now it just came to me. I was advised not to run .32 ACP in my .32 S&W revolver because (besides higher pressure) the .32 ACP has a thinner rim than the .32 S&W, and for some reason that was not a good thing relative to the primer, firing pin, and the recoil shield. I would have to dig back a half year to posts on my .32 revolver to see exactly what the problem was.

 

[TTv2]

the double-tap derringer really needs to be in some form of 32, max, but 22lr would be just dandy too. i cannot imagine its sharp recoil impulse with 45acp or even 9mm given the dt’s angular, hard grips.

The Doubletap would benefit being in rimmed calibers (it is a derringer after all) and smaller calibers, but the consensus in the industry is 9mm is the hard floor they dont dare go below unless they dont like selling guns and making money.

.32 Mag would be great, .38 would clearly sell.

 

[TTv2]

I have a Bond Arms with six barrels, one being a 327 Federal Magnum. Since the 32acp has a slight rim, it should be no problem to use that round in the 327 barrel. I may have done that but don’t remember. I have shot some 32 longs and 32 H&R magnums in that barrel.

With the low powder charge and long jump 8n the chamber there is a significant loss in potential velocity with the short .32 ACP and even S&W that I stopped bothering with them. .32 S&W I will shoot only in the guns chambered for it, the ACP I only will shot to test it in a new .32 Mag or .327 to see how it runs. Charters seem to run fine with it, but Rugers don't. In the Bond, the .32 ACP can do the same it did in my Sp101 where the thinner rim gave enough space for the case to blowback against the recoil shield and impale the primer onto the firing pin and locked up the cylinder.

At least I was able to pry the case off with my knife, but were that done in a Bond you might not be able to unlock the barrel or take the barrel off the frame without breaking the firing pin.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

I think they have the calibers covered pretty well. More is always better though

I'm far more interested in a Stinger in .38 but they are hard to fine now. .327 would be neat in that if it can take the pressure, if not, 32mag would be nice there.