Bond Arms--Do they need more calibers?

[halfmoonclip]

Yep, American Derringer made them in the 90’s.

The ones I saw were 38, or maybe 357/38, I can’t be positive for sure.

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Yep, had one. It was .38Spl, and it worked reasonably well. But it was heavy as a steel J-frame.
Still have a High Standard in .22 Mag, and, like a previous one, it doesn't always go bang.
With the High Standard, you fire the gun with your middle finger, and lay your index finger alongside the barrels; then you just point at what you want to hit. At close range it works really well.
That approach doesn't work with that American Derringer .38; the barrels are too short.
Moon

 

[Pistolay]

If they made a .22WMR or .32ACP, I might buy one.

 

[WisBorn]

Based on their current offerings, I can't imagine touching off a "Ruger Only" 45 Colt load out of one of those

+P LOADS ARE NOT RECOMMEND IN THE 45 COLT

 

[WisBorn]

I have a Rowdy 45/410 & would consider adding a 357/38.
I think that being able to add your favorite cartridges in a Bond is kind of appealing.
If the 10mm Glock 20 is your carry to have 10 mm in a Bond Arms would be nice.

I don't think I would run out and buy a 32acp, but if I owned a Keltec and/or Seacamp to add a 32 Stinger might be fun.

 

[DeepSouth]

The double tap is hammer less so must be DA? Here is a write-up on it. .45 ACP or 9mm. Stores two spare rounds in the grip.
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the double-tap derringer really needs to be in some form of 32, max, but 22lr would be just dandy too. i cannot imagine its sharp recoil impulse with 45acp or even 9mm given the dt’s angular, hard grips.

I have one of these and I’ll tell you it’s like getting hit in the web of your hand with a ball peen hammer every shot. Very few people shoot more than one shot before being done.

It’s a fine gun apart from the painful recoil, the terribly heavy trigger, extreme ammo sensitivity, low round count, and severe inaccuracy due in large part to the nearly invisible sights.
I bought mine because it was fairly cheap, I like 45’s and I had a very specific carry method it was perfect for. I guess it’s in my safe, I haven’t seen it in a while.

 

[Autodidactic]

I know there are exceptions, but I honestly suspect that the majority of BA (or any derringer) owners with this big or hot calibers barely shoot them. It's novelty ownership. Why do I say that? I'm not recoil averse but even 9mm is quite snappy out of my all steel 2.5 inch BA barrel. It took some getting used to. When I first shot it, due to the way I was gripping it the little barrel opening lever hit my hand in recoil and made it bleed. I bought a .357/.38 barrel and while .38 is great, .357 is atrocious. I only did one session of .357. Long story short, I have practiced with 9mm and .38 to get proficient with the BA. Arguably, little derringers are the hardest to shoot accurately, more than snubbies. One has to practice a bunch to get anywhere near decent with them. It took me a good 100-200 rounds. I've probably put 200-250 rounds through my BA, maybe 300. Those who are buying .30 carbine, .45 ACP, .40 S&W, or other hot stuff probably aren't shooting them much. Same with .410.

 

[cfullgraf]

I have a Bond Arms with six barrels, one being a 327 Federal Magnum. Since the 32acp has a slight rim, it should be no problem to use that round in the 327 barrel. I may have done that but don’t remember. I have shot some 32 longs and 32 H&R magnums in that barrel.

I got a 327 Fed mag barrel several years ago. I've dabbled with making shot loads for it using Pat Marlin plain base bullet gas checks for wads. The 327 Fed Mag case gives a bit longer case that allows for a bit higher shot load. I planned on them for using on the trackor while bush hogging the pastures but never got that far.

The 4" .410 barrel was more difficult to shoot where I wanted.

I have at least three barrels, maybe four. I forget. I definitely have a 4" 410/45 Colt, 2" 357/38, and a 2" 327 Federal Magnum. I need to dig through my gun safe to see what the fourth barrel is, if it actually exists at all.

For a belly gun, the Bond would work well. But shooting from the seat of a tractor to the ground, the trigger needs some work. Even with shot loads, it is difficult to hit the target.

 

[jstert]

380acp is a decent compromise for a b.a. barrel: reasonable for protection, recoil and price/round.

there is a real use for the b.a. chambered in larger-sized ammo. on a late-night, winter-time, walk a b.a. derringer loaded with 45lc/410 with a reload in a speedstrip is a good choice because minus its trigger guard and with bigger ammo, gloved-hands use is easy.

 

[Autodidactic]

Guys, today at my LGS I saw three .22 LR Rawhides. I just looked them up on the BA website. It states it uses the cowboy frame and is interchangeable with all BA barrels except Stingers. I immediately went to look for standalone .22 barrels, new issue. They aren't on Bucksnort yet. I assume at some point they would be if they are interchangeable. Can anyone confirm?

Bond Arms | Rawhide 22LR

Features:

*Patented Rebounding Hammer
*2.5" Stainless Steel Barrel and Frame
*Automatic Spent Casing Extrator
*Retracting Firing Pins
*Cross Bolt Safety
*Spring-loaded, cammed locking lever
*Fully Compatible with all Bond Arms Hand-Cannon accessory barrels (non-Stinger models)

 

[cfullgraf]

I have at least three barrels, maybe four. I forget. I definitely have a 4" 410/45 Colt, 2" 357/38, and a 2" 327 Federal Magnum. I need to dig through my gun safe to see what the fourth barrel is, if it actually exists at all.

I dug through my gun safe and found my various barrles for my Bond arm derrimger.

I originally bought a 4” Snake Slayer, a 45 Colt/.410. I have added a 38Spl/357 Mag barrel, a 327 Fed Mag barrel, a 44 Special barrel and a 6” 45 Colt/.410 bartel.

The last barrel was to improve the handling for shooting 410-2-1/2 from the tractor at mice/rats while bush hogging. It has been a while since I fooled with the barrel so I do not remember if it might be effective or not.

Note:I have a boat load of 410-2-1/2 shotgun shells from my competitive skeet days.

I bought all my extra barrels when I could order them on line directly from Bond. It is a shame one hss to go through a dealer now to get an alternate barrel.

 

[someguy2800]

I think what they could really use is a completely different firearm.

 

[aaaaa]

I think what they could really use is a completely different firearm.

Well they do have this 9mm with a 3.35" barrel in DAO.

 

[TTv2]

I'm not a Bond fanboy, never cared for the size or price of them, but these Stingers are really starting to get my attention. What's the largest caliber they will likely ever be made in and when can we expect a .327/.32 Magnum barrel? It'd be nice if they could do a .45 Colt barrel on the Stinger frame.

 

[Old_Grouch]

I'm not a Bond fanboy, never cared for the size or price of them, but these Stingers are really starting to get my attention. What's the largest caliber they will likely ever be made in and when can we expect a .327/.32 Magnum barrel? It'd be nice if they could do a .45 Colt barrel on the Stinger frame.

I don't think we'll see anything over .355/.357 diameter. The outside measurement of the Stinger barrel is barely over a half inch. It's only a few thousandths thicker than the rim diameter of a .45 Colt. .45 Colt in a Stinger isn't going to happen. I think the next caliber we may see will be a .32 such as the .32 H&R. .30 Super Carry, or perhaps a .327 Federal.

 

[aaaaa]

I can't wait for this one to be released!

 

[aaaaa]

But seriously, that image above is from an article last month about the release of a standard Bond in .22LR, the Rawhide.
The article discusses both the Rawhide and Stinger .22s.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/11/18/bond-arms-stinger-rawhide-22lr/

From a different article here is an image showing the difference in barrel thickness between the Stinger and the standard Bond. Definitely like that sleek stinger design.

 

[Autodidactic]

But seriously, that image above is from an article last month about the release of a standard Bond in .22LR, the Rawhide.
The article discusses both the Rawhide and Stinger .22s.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/11/18/bond-arms-stinger-rawhide-22lr/

From a different article here is an image showing the difference in barrel thickness between the Stinger and the standard Bond. Definitely like that sleek stinger design.
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Yeah, I saw the rawhides in store yesterday, in .22 LR. They apparently are very similar to the Rowdy, but in new calibers.

I want the Stinger RS in .22 or .380, as they are lighter and thinner.

 

[WisBorn]

Are the Rawhides only going to be in 22lr?

 

[aaaaa]

Are the Rawhides only going to be in 22lr?

I see Rawhides in .357/.38 on their website. Great price too. $277 and for only $10 more you get the rosewood grips!

But I am really liking the slim Stinger now that I got a better look at them.

 

[Autodidactic]

Are the Rawhides only going to be in 22lr?

I think .380 or .38 too. Its just a Cowboy Frame, unpolished. The .22 is the reintroduction of a full sized BA, interchangeable barrel .22.

I see Rawhides in .357/.38 on their website. Great price too. $277 and for only $10 more you get the rosewood grips!

But I am really liking the slim Stinger now that I got a better look at them.

I would lean towards a Stinger too for weight and size reduction.

The steel ones are more affordable than the aluminum, but heavier. The RS is .38 only, not .357.

Bond Arms | Stinger RS

 

[aaaaa]

I think .380 or .38 too. Its just a Cowboy Frame, unpolished. The .22 is the reintroduction of a full sized BA, interchangeable barrel .22.



I would lean towards a Stinger too for weight and size reduction.

The steel ones are more affordable than the aluminum, but heavier. The RS is .38 only, not .357.

Bond Arms | Stinger RS

.38 only would be fine and I am thinking I should have gotten that instead of just a .38/.357 barrel.

 

[Autodidactic]

.38 only would be fine and I am thinking I should have gotten that instead of just a .38/.357 barrel.

Did you torture yourself with a .357 range experience yet? I only needed one.

 

[TTv2]

I would lean towards a Stinger too for weight and size reduction.

The steel ones are more affordable than the aluminum, but heavier. The RS is .38 only, not .357.

Bond Arms | Stinger RS

I would probably lean towards the Aluminum Stinger regardless of cost because it's going to encourage people to carry it more given the reduced weight.

I can see myself getting a 9mm Stinger and a .32 barrel later.

 

[Autodidactic]

I would probably lean towards the Aluminum Stinger regardless of cost because it's going to encourage people to carry it more given the reduced weight.

I can see myself getting a 9mm Stinger and a .32 barrel later.

Yeah, I have a regular Bond Arms. The main reason I've only carried it a few times is it weighs a lot.

The Stinger RS' are smaller but also steel, so they would weigh less, but the aluminum even more. I don't see the need for a stainless steel .22 though. That mass is helpful for stouter calibers.

 

[aaaaa]

I would probably lean towards the Aluminum Stinger regardless of cost because it's going to encourage people to carry it more given the reduced weight.

I can see myself getting a 9mm Stinger and a .32 barrel later.

A 9mm is not a bad idea. Shorter cartridge than a .38 so a little more barrel and presumably a little more rifling.

I would get the steel frame to save a lot of money and for durability, or do they have hardened inserts at the wear points.