Boy suspended due to glock logo on pen!

[mbt2001]

I retrieve my son's student handbook. Flipping though it, I see that weapons, replica weapons, pictures of weapons, and weapon images on keychains or other items are forbidden.

So in history class, when the kids are studying the War for Independence, the War of 1812, the Civil war, the assiniation of President Lincoln, all of those pictures are in fact "illegal" / "forbidden" as far as the school is concerned?

Some are more equal than others indeed...

 

[pdowg881]

Quick question: Why does wearing something or ujsing a pen that references a firearm company not allowed in many schools? Can't there be a case for first ammendemnt rights? Last time I checked half the kids run around with che guevara shirts and thats fine with the school.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Any object which could be used to injure another person and which has no school-related purpose will be considered a weapon

But bring a compass to school with a shank on one end of it, and everything is peachy.

Glock Logo=Bad
Shank=Just fine.

 

[fletcher]

edit to ask: how to they teach world or U.S. history without discussing war and without showing pictures of soldiers and war ships and military aircraft? How can they even discuss current events without violating their own zero tolerance guidelines.

They only need to show war protestors and bodies. Come to think of it, that's a pretty big chunk of what I saw in both HS and college history of more recent wars where that sort of thing was actually photographed.


But, to be on topic, I am very glad it was overturned, and the VP should be disciplined for causing so much trouble for everyone.

 

[DougDubya]

I drew more guns, tanks, and violence in school than actual math problems. Where did it get me? Cranking out 340,000 words a year as a novelist, THAT'S where. The kid with the Glock pen will go FAR!

 

[LeonCarr]

It reminds me of the time in high school when my junior english teacher told our class that Whitetail Deer were extinct because of hunters. This is a teacher with a bachelors degree in english and a masters degree in education and has absolutely no idea what she is talking about. She also bragged about how she was a member of the National Education Association and that Michael Dukakis would make a great president .

If kids and parents knew the law better, most of the teachers and administrators around the country could be arrested and taken to jail for harassment.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[glockman19]

IMHO the biggest problem is Teachers have over-stepped the bounds of "Teaching" and are execising "Parenting".

Teachers should teach Parents should parent. If you leave your child to the system they will mold him/her into the Stepford child that should be on Ritilin and will be cooperative little robots following the instruction of the programmer.

It's sad when the amendments in our bill of rights is taken for granted and ignored by so many.

 

[Bud Tugly]

Some of the kids involved in the school shootings had shown excessive obsession with guns and violent images. That's caused schools to be on the lookout for those things in the hopes of preventing further massacres.

Some of them have gone way overboard, but their intention is to try to fend off disasters rather than ignoring the warning signs.

 

[MakAttak]

Some of the kids involved in the school shootings had shown excessive obsession with guns and violent images. That's caused schools to be on the lookout for those things in the hopes of preventing further massacres.

Some of them have gone way overboard, but their intention is to try to fend off disasters rather than ignoring the warning signs

Faulty logic. The reason the killers had a "excessive obsession" with guns was because they were male. NORMAL BOYS have an obsession with things like that. This is a problem of CORRELATION and CAUSATION.

However, we can't allow boys to be boys anymore...

 

[auschip]

IMHO the biggest problem is Teachers have over-stepped the bounds of "Teaching" and are execising "Parenting".

Teachers should teach Parents should parent. If you leave your child to the system they will mold him/her into the Stepford child that should be on Ritilin and will be cooperative little robots following the instruction of the programmer.

It's sad when the amendments in our bill of rights is taken for granted and ignored by so many.

That's funny. My wife (a teacher) said something similar to me the other day. "I'm a teacher not a parent. I'm not paid to be the kid's parent, I'm paid to make sure they learn. I wish parents would do their job and let me do mine."

Of course, being a public school English teacher it is assumed (and often times publicly spouted around here) that she has some nefarious goal and wants to control the youth of America.

 

[swifteagle]

Some of the kids involved in the school shootings had shown excessive obsession with guns and violent images. That's caused schools to be on the lookout for those things in the hopes of preventing further massacres.

Some of them have gone way overboard, but their intention is to try to fend off disasters rather than ignoring the warning signs.

Actually the fact that they were obsessed with guns does not prove that gun obsession causes violent illegal acts like mass school shootings. That would be like saying that if the shooters usually wore green clothing we should ban all green items in the classrooms - no more green erasers, green chalkboards, or green notebooks.

Additionally even if the color green was found to cause some people to go nuts, banning green items in the classroom would not prevent people from using green items while at home, so the color green could still make them go nuts & then do nutty things outside of the home.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Glock pens are ugly and boxy.

 

[Bud Tugly]

Swifteagle, I've loved guns from an early age and I totally agree that fascination with them didn't cause things like the Columbine shootings. Both of those shooters had serious mental problems and the guns were just a means to an end.

The thing is that the schools feel they have to do SOMETHING to try to fend of future disasters. They are definitely going overboard in many cases and some kids are being harrassed over perfectly innocent activities.

We can ridicule the reactions of some of the schools, but what SHOULD they be doing? Harris and Klebold gave lots of warning signs but no one took them seriously, including the school, their friends, and their parents.

How do we sort out normal "boys being boys" activities from the potential mass murderers and whose job is it to do that? IMO that's the question we should be asking.

 

[bluestarlizzard]

i remember trying to get in trouble in high school over RKBA. and i should have considering a kid in my district got suspended for wearing a NRA/4-H shooting camp t-shirt. i would wear my UVA shooting team shirt and the (really gross teal) shooting camp shirts all the time.
unfortunatly no one ever called it. *sigh* it was probably for the best.
i don't think public schools should be gotten rid of. i do think they need a major overhaul. no more of this PC feel good crap. if the kid can't read, then the kid don't pass. history books should be blunt, factual and to the point. "yes, little johnny, christopher columbus got his calulations of the daimeter of the world wrong, and refused to belive the people who told him he couldn't sail to india, because the world was to big and their might be a continant in the way." no more of this 'the world was thought to be flat' BS. unfortunaly i wonder, how many of ya'll who protest the current state of things really want that? its one thing to want the schools to stop teaching what you think is wrong, and another to truly take the blinders off.

 

[MakAttak]

i remember trying to get in trouble in high school over RKBA. and i should have considering a kid in my district got suspended for wearing a NRA/4-H shooting camp t-shirt. i would wear my UVA shooting team shirt and the (really gross teal) shooting camp shirts all the time.
unfortunatly no one ever called it. *sigh* it was probably for the best.
i don't think public schools should be gotten rid of. i do think they need a major overhaul. no more of this PC feel good crap. if the kid can't read, then the kid don't pass. history books should be blunt, factual and to the point. "yes, little johnny, christopher columbus got his calulations of the daimeter of the world wrong, and refused to belive the people who told him he couldn't sail to india, because the world was to big and their might be a continant in the way." no more of this 'the world was thought to be flat' BS. unfortunaly i wonder, how many of ya'll who protest the current state of things really want that? its one thing to want the schools to stop teaching what you think is wrong, and another to truly take the blinders off.

What I want is the government to stop dictating what gets taught in schools, one way or another. Stop this government control and allow people to CHOOSE their school.

Those that provide a poor education will die and those that provide a good education will thrive.

 

[Mr. James]

Hey, bluestarlizzard,

You and my son both! He is currently one of the tender charges of the Fairfax Co. schools. He tries his best to get tossed for wearing gun-related items, but what he fails to understand is all that is perfectly okay. Clothing depicting illegal acts would be grounds for discipline (starting with telling him to take off/turn inside out the offending item). So, his VCDL shirts, Springfield Armory shirts, etc. are all good to go. I guess a t-shirt depicting a drive-by, or a straw purchase would get him 86'ed.

I stopped him this morning when he tried to wear my "Celebrate Diversity" t-shirt to class - it's one thing to be a budding advocate for civil rights, and another to be an old-fashioned wise-***.

(C'ville = Centreville? If so, howdy, neighbor!!)

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

It's not about safety. It's not about fear or panic. It is about indoctrination and acclimation of the next generation to the police/slave state. Aaron Russo said it very well when he said that it used to be that we could do most anything that didn't harm or interfere with anyone else. Now, we need to get permission from the state to do most everything.

Woody

Our government was designed by our Founding Fathers to fit within the framework of our rights and not vise versa. Any other "interpretation" of the Constitution is either through ignorance or is deliberately subversive. B.E. Wood

 

[MakAttak]

(C'ville = Centreville? If so, howdy, neighbor!!)

Actually, from his previous posts, I'd say that's CHARLOTTESVILLE. However, there are a number of us in the land of Northern Hospitality and Southern Efficiency (Northern Virginia).

 

[XDKingslayer]

I wonder if my old high school still offers a military history class for seniors? What could be worse for students than teaching military tactics to them right before they bring in their guns and attack the school.

 

[Mr. James]

Ahh, of course. That miasmal swamp air must have beclouded my mind.
Thanks, MakAttak.

 

[teknoid]

My, how things have changed...

I wonder if they still allow JROTC? I was in a Marine unit, and we drilled at the school, using M14's (disabled). Had a darned good drill team, too. Most of the trophies in the case were ours.

We also went to the range regularly. No one complained about us shooting .22's, and an occasional 1911. Heck, I wore that "Expert" with pride. I didn't catch any flack for it.

I was also usually carrying a pocket knife, and just about all of my folders were covered with bad drawings of guns and cars. This was back when school shootings were unthinkable, and kids had PARENTS.

 

[browningman32294]

I am a 13 year old in 8th grade. The teachers at my school are mostly liberal. In U.S. History the teacher is on an agenda to tell us all the America is a racist white country. In U.S. History we learn the names of the battles and there significance in the Wars. The teacher has said the patriot act gives the government the right to listen to any convertsation, said it give the government the right to break into your house when ever they want. She has also said the no child left behind act is stupid and useless.

I am doing my part though. All the student and teachers know I am a gun nut, I had to do a speech the other day on any topic I wanted, and I choose the AR-15. I explained the history of it, its uses, the cost, and the operation of it. I said it was not just used to protect us, but to hunt varmits. Further more I have a very conservative shop teacher and student shop teacher (an older former military guy) who are letting me design a gun on CAD. They are helping me with it. This show there is still a little ray of hope out there.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by TEDDY: THE SCOCIALIST REALIZED THAT THE SCHOOLS WERE THE PLACE TO WIN.YES HISTORY BOOKS ARE BEING SOCIALIZED.PARENTS SHOULD CHECK OUT WHAT IS IN THE BOOKS."SOCIAL STUDIES" NOT CIVICS.MY COUSIN A TEACHER COULD NOT TELL ME WHAT WAS IN THE CONSTITUTION."NOT MY FIELD SHE SAID" THATS WHEN I LOST RESPECT FOR HER.YOUR KIDS ARE BEING BRAIN WASHED.WILL THAT AFFECT OUR MILITARY YOU BET!AND HOW MANY TROOPS WILL DIE BECAUSE THEY CANT SHOOT THE ENEMY.NOTE THE WORST STATES FOR GUN CONTROL IS WHERE THE GRATEST AMOUNT OF SCHOOLS ARE,MASS AND CALIF.

First off please don't shout. It is hard to read when you type in all caps. Second please check your spelling and punctuation. Spaces between periods and the first letter of the next sentence help make it easier to read. Not to mention using the correct grammar like is/are.

Social Studies and Civics are very different classes. Social studies is a different field which focuses on social behaviors and social problems as well as things of that nature. Civics is usually the study of government and public administration. While they are similar and some overlap does occur they are different.

What are you talking about when you say the military not being able to shoot anyone? They are doing it and doing it very well right now. Iraq and Afghanistan come to mind.

Do you have any stats, links, or proof that MA and CA have the most schools as well as forms of gun control?

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

browningman32294,

Welcome to the high road...Sounds like you've got a pretty cool shop teacher.

What state are you in, if you don't mind me asking? I ask, because nowadays, that just doesn't happen too often.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by JerryM: The liberals and socialists have had control of the education system for several decades. When youth are taught that guns are bad a fairly large nymber will swallow it.

That is the way liberals have torn this country down. Just continue to lie and many will believe it in time. Then the next generation will have fewer to convince.

Best,
Jerry

What are you talking about liberals and socialists? What does socialism have to do with this incident at all? Socialism is an economic philosophy that has no bearing on this.

And I would argue that Conservatives are just as guilty as Liberal in regards to incidents like this. The way Conservatives campaigned against drugs they started to push for zero-tolerance policys in regards to drugs, violence, and anything associated with them (in this case guns) and they got their way. Liberals do the same. All of them.