Boy suspended due to glock logo on pen!

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Originally posted by Educated Hillbilly: Public education is pretty much a joke nowadays. I will back this statement up with examples here in a moment. First a little background on the public education system. The modern public education system as we know it came to us from Massachusettes, Mass. adopted the form in the early to mid 1800's. They had in turn adopted it from the Prussians. The prussians had discovered that the "average" soldier "thought" too much and this led to problems on the battlefield. In order to counteract this they instituted the public education system. Just a very brief summary. Don't believe it look it up. Do some research.

Now to my examples of how the public education system is a joke. Have 1st cousin who literally cannot hardly read. Guess what he is doing right now on the state dollar. He is working on his Masters in education via a special program to teach special education in the "state" schools. Makes a lot of since doesn't it. Since he can't hardly read a "reader" is provided for him to take his tests, or the professor's or their assistant's administer the test to him orally. And gues what. He gets all the time he needs to take the test when others only get the amount of time that class is in session.

Next example. My sister in law is in high school. She came home asking if we had heard about the new tunnel. "No, what new tunnel are you talking about?" We say. "The tunnel that connects NY to England?" Says here science teacher told them that in class. Next week she comes in this was right around the time that there was supposed to be a big meteor shower within a few days. Says that she doesn't know why the media is talking about the expected meteor shower, because her teacher had taught them that 85% of meteor are actually frozen human waste jetisioned from airplanes. Needless to say after these two incidents her parents went to the principal.

As for the liberal slant on textbooks. 100% correct. I started out majoring in history. Have always been a big history buff especially military history. Go to college and start taking history classes and the majority of any history class anymore is talking about guess what "class struggle". I thought you only had to take a class in Marxism or Communism to get this. Very little is taught about how America won its independance, or even how we kept it. By the way I only ended up with a minor in history and a major in philosophy. Figured I had better learn how to argue with em and attempt to beat them with sound logic and facts. Learned the hard way that liberals just don't listen. Their mind is already made up. Best we can hope for is to swing those still sitting on the fence.

Picked up a high school "social studies" book the other day. About a page, about 1/4 of which was a picture talking about Thomas Jefferson and his contribution to America. A few pages over 3 full pages discussing how great Alexander Hamilton was and all his accomplishments. HMMMMM Wonder what the connection was with Hamilton who wanted a massive, powerful, federal government, and a liberal textbook that expounds how great he was.

Rant off.
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The irony is hilarious. You need to work on grammar, punctuation, and adjectives.

What classes did you take in college that are so focused on class struggle? I am currently a college student and the bias that you are proclaiming to be fact, is just not there. I do have quite a few classes on class struggle but that is because they are integral to my major. However I have a few friends in history classes, and the few I have taken, are not focused on class struggle. As far as classes focused on the USA winning independence from England, I would suggest a class focused on that time period. The world does not revolve around the USA nor the Founding Fathers. Most of the history in this world pre-dates the USA by thousands of years.

I would suggest revisiting a college and signing up for classes as you will see many things have changed.
 
On second though, maybe they were afraid the pen would KABOOM!

Yeah, I went there.
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You beat me to it. :scrutiny:

Does anyone know if it was a no. 2 caliber pen? Oh, my bad, only pencils come in calibers, pens come in mm. So, was it a no. 2mm pen? Also, when referring to the pen, make sure the proper designation is used for the instrument that attaches the pen to the shirt pocket - it is a pen "clip", not a pen "magazine". Also, until GLOCK makes an ergo pen that easier to hold and that doesn't look like a bucked-tooth varmant at a chip-chuckin' contest, I'll stick with my 1911 pen, thank you very much. Although, has anyone tried the new slim pen they're coming out with?
 
The thing is that the schools feel they have to do SOMETHING to try to fend of future disasters. They are definitely going overboard in many cases and some kids are being harrassed over perfectly innocent activities.

We can ridicule the reactions of some of the schools, but what SHOULD they be doing? Harris and Klebold gave lots of warning signs but no one took them seriously, including the school, their friends, and their parents.
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I understand that viewpoint Bud. Where I primarily disagree with school board officials with regard to the zero tolerance policy in so many of our schools is in the thought that it would reduce the likelihood of another mass shooting, as well as where it violates our 1st Amendment rights. You see, if we ban photos of guns & watch for those same warning signs I bet there are at least 10 to 100 kids in every school that would have the same warning signs. We can't exactly lock them all up because they might go nuts.

What should we do? Yes, offering counseling to those with warning signs when possible may help a little, but even that won't stop all problems. The only thing we can do is get rid of gun free zones. Adults should not be banned from bringing their weapons onto school grounds. One school shooting was stopped by a Principal who had to run to his truck parked half a mile away from the school. Another was stopped by a couple of students who ran to their vehicles to get their guns. Even more lives could have been saved if those individuals had not been barred from having their weapons on them, preferably concealed so that they would have an advantage over anyone who attacks not knowing who is armed.

We never had a school shooting until some politician decided to experiment with turning our schools into gun free zones. You never hear about mass shootings at gun shows. Why not? There are thousands of available walking targets for some mad person to choose from. Must be that people like that prefer to have no armed opposition so that they can kill as many innocents as they want to until they've had their fill, at which point they go ahead & terminate their own life before Police can arrive. It's high time that we end the gun free zone experiment that uses our children as the mice.
 
have you seen boys playing with toy-guns recently?
I have not.. starts from there. Feminizations coming?
Another interesting topic, I just heart this: American way of economy needs no out of the box thinkers, it's easier to manipulate disciplined crowd, stupid folks spend more, it's good for us and we will set it up...
seems like success story.
 
I wonder where I can get a Glock pen? That looks pretty neat.
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I held a Glock pen once....didn't fit my hand.:neener:

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The ever so laconic Educated Hillbilly wrote:

Now to my examples of how the public education system is a joke. Have 1st cousin who literally cannot hardly read. Guess what he is doing right now on the state dollar. He is working on his Masters in education via a special program to teach special education in the "state" schools. Makes a lot of since doesn't it. Since he can't hardly read a "reader" is provided for him to take his tests, or the professor's or their assistant's administer the test to him orally. And gues what. He gets all the time he needs to take the test when others only get the amount of time that class is in session.

As for the liberal slant on textbooks. 100% correct. I started out majoring in history. Have always been a big history buff especially military history. Go to college and start taking history classes and the majority of any history class anymore is talking about guess what "class struggle". I thought you only had to take a class in Marxism or Communism to get this. Very little is taught about how America won its independance, or even how we kept it. By the way I only ended up with a minor in history and a major in philosophy. Figured I had better learn how to argue with em and attempt to beat them with sound logic and facts. Learned the hard way that liberals just don't listen. Their mind is already made up. Best we can hope for is to swing those still sitting on the fence.

Picked up a high school "social studies" book the other day. About a page, about 1/4 of which was a picture talking about Thomas Jefferson and his contribution to America. A few pages over 3 full pages discussing how great Alexander Hamilton was and all his accomplishments. HMMMMM Wonder what the connection was with Hamilton who wanted a massive, powerful, federal government, and a liberal textbook that expounds how great he was.
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Firstly:
Sounds like your first cousin might have a reading disorder (dyslexia comes to mind), rather than just being an ignoramus who cannot read. Grad school does not hold your hand if you simply "can't hardly read." (Love the grammar there, by the by. Can't you hardly write?)

Secondly:
Nice generalization there. All liberals eat cheese every Friday, too. Because they're liberals. NO ONE is immune from the "won't listen" syndrome. Perhaps you had better philosophize about that one some more.

Finally:
Eureka--you're right! It WAS the liberals who instigated the passage of the Patriot Act and massively expanded the role of the federal government to include that of spying upon its own citizens. George Bush & his crew are nothing but a bunch of fuzzy huggy liberals in disguise. They aren't CONSERVATIVES at all!

Now I know for sure why I DIDN'T major in philosophy. Think before you talk in public, man.
 
Some folks have asked where they can get themselves a Glock pen. It isn't the same promotional pen that is given away at events. It is a higher quality pen. I plan to buy a couple myself.
 
matattack and mr.james.
yes its charlottsville, not centerville. i got that on APS to. so many of you people are in no. va. its weird.
oh, and also matattack, as mentioned in my many post, i am not only from charlottsville, i am also female.

MattAttack,
education is not only for those who can afford it. private schools and home schooling can provide a good education, but also can provide a breeding ground for that same brainwashing and ignorance that you clam public schools do. how do you provide children with a REAL education and also allow their parental rights?
by makeing education factual and blunt. by making the schools responcible for academics and facts of the world and letting the parents deal with what to belive in.
and i will cease my rant here because it isn't appropraite for this forem. well maybe exsept for this.
SHOOTING SPORTS SHOULD BE A PART OF THE ATHLETIC PROGRAMS IN SCHOOLS!!!!! :cool:
and glock pens are awsome. :D
 
As for the liberal slant on textbooks. 100% correct. I started out majoring in history. Have always been a big history buff especially military history. Go to college and start taking history classes and the majority of any history class anymore is talking about guess what "class struggle". I thought you only had to take a class in Marxism or Communism to get this. Very little is taught about how America won its independance, or even how we kept it. By the way I only ended up with a minor in history and a major in philosophy. Figured I had better learn how to argue with em and attempt to beat them with sound logic and facts. Learned the hard way that liberals just don't listen. Their mind is already made up. Best we can hope for is to swing those still sitting on the fence.
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I agree. Even in 8th grade history we are not taught about how America is good or how we won, we are taught that we were evil white men who always put down blacks and women. We are not taught pride, but we are taught shame. It is messed up, and it something is not done, we are in trouble. These kids are being brain washed.
 
Last semester I actually took a really good early American history class. Went from Cortez to Reconstruction. The professor just told facts and didn't have any bias. He also did a lot of talking on how and why the founders wanted the United States to be how it was, and he emphasized how it has changed since then.
I'm also in an intro to politics class and so far it seems pretty good. So far I can't figure out the professors personal political views and he's pretty balanced. Not just left or right either. He's also talked some about libertarianism and populism.
The only professors I've seen any bias from are those who are teaching classes that aren't relevant to the subject.
 
To Tecumsah and bloodesky,

College History classes included: Civ I and Civ II: both intro classes that dealt with world history.

History of the South

Civil War and Reconstruction

The Gilded Age

American History Through WWI

Not saying all these were bad. Just saying that the majority had a rather anti American slant.

Cousin has not been diagnosed with dyslexia. He is classified as LD with low reading comprehension. bloodesky, before you accuse someone of not knowing what they are talking about, check out some of the educational Masters programs being offered in KY and why. We are severely short of teachers down here especially special ed teachers. Just trying to point out this is not an excuse.

Also I am not a conservative either, like how you drew the conclusion from a single statement of liberal bashing that I was. Evident you are not interested in philosophy, or you would have checked your premises before typing your response.
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Some folks have asked where they can get themselves a Glock pen. It isn't the same promotional pen that is given away at events. It is a higher quality pen. I plan to buy a couple myself.
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swifteagle, I believe I owe you. I think I'm going to buy one now. I was looking for it on google and couldn't find it. Thank you sir.
 
well, my son's name is Hunter, he routinely wears camo to school. i have had him out in the woods shooting several times, he is 6. he has shot my 45 acp ( with my help) and a bb and pelet gun. he probably has more "gun experience" than some of these "policy makers". if i ever got a phone call telling me to come and get him for wearing a nra hat, a glock pen, a military shirt or any other "gun" styled clothing, i WILL RAISE A BIG STINK! where do these people get off. last time i checked, this was still a free country. and the last time i checked, clothes and ink pens (unless used as a weapon) do not kill kids. REDICULOUS!
 
Not saying all these were bad. Just saying that the majority had a rather anti American slant.
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You said they had a liberal slant, not anti-American, IIRC. Those two shouldn't be the same, especially if you DO consider yourself to be a liberal. Chalk it up to a Freudian slip? ;)

Cousin has not been diagnosed with dyslexia. He is classified as LD with low reading comprehension. bloodesky, before you accuse someone of not knowing what they are talking about, check out some of the educational Masters programs being offered in KY and why. We are severely short of teachers down here especially special ed teachers. Just trying to point out this is not an excuse.
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I'm not sure what the "this" references in your statement, "this is not an excuse." The special treatment of someone with a learning disability?

Also I am not a conservative either, like how you drew the conclusion from a single statement of liberal bashing that I was. Evident you are not interested in philosophy, or you would have checked your premises before typing your response.
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To be honest, an assumption of your political stance wouldn't be poorly constructed; you didn't give (m)any hints towards liberalism, and several towards the opposite. I'm not sure I've met any self-assessed liberals who would disparage the education system for involvement with people who have learning disabilities.

Also, I don't understand the philosophy jab. Which of his premises was invalid?;)
 
When I was a kid in elementary school, I used to sit there drawing pictures of army tanks and airplanes shooting at each other and I haven't grown up into a mass murderer. Liberal idiot morons are sissifying this country.
 
BTW, I got my first rifle when I was 6 years old, a Remington 22. We lived in the country and dad was an avid hunter and gun enthusiast. We grew up around guns, understood them, respected them, and were not afraid of them.
 
NeoSpud,
Thank you so much for calling my bluff. You counterpoints to my post's were excellent. Let me explain: Majority of what I said were vague generalizations and some were even downright lies. I was trying to prove a point and you seem to have caught on. We often times find it easy to fall victim to generalizations in modern society and not look into things ourselves. SM in some of his posts talks about checking things out for yourself instead of relying too much on others.

Over the past month or so that I have been on here I have noticed that us as gun enthusiasts can very easily make the mistake of taking attacks on our beliefs personally. In turn we fire back with personal attacks which as we have seen causes shouting, yelling, and more finger pointing, which gets us nowhere. The majority, at least in my experience, of people that don't understand our standpoint on firearms do so more out of ignorance of guns than out of sheer hatred for guns.

I am not saying that all of us turn to negative personal attacks to defend our beliefs, but a lot of us do, especially when we were younger. With age and experience we have come to understand that the reason some people distrust guns and gunowners is they know nothing about guns or the people that use them. Take some time to be pleasant when someone confronts your beliefs and why they go against them before you hit them with a barage of verbal tactics, that a lot of times can lead to insult and then "closed ear syndrome".
 
NeoSpud,
Thank you so much for calling my bluff. You counterpoints to my post's were excellent.
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Can I post that in my sig?

Just kiddin' ;) :D

Really though, what did the "this" actually reference? I honestly don't know what you were trying to say there.


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The more I think about it, the more I'm glad that my high school was private; the educational quality did not necessarily differ between the public and private schools in my area, but these kinds of thoughtless administrative policies and reactions were much less common in the private schools. I can't count the number of times I would've been in big trouble had I done the same actions at a public school as I had when I was in high school. I brought in a paintball gun and an air cannon for a physics class, a '98 Krag and '61 Springfield for Am. Hist. class, carried a leatherman / pocket knife nearly daily (Just doin' Scout's orders: Be Prepared! :D ), et cetera... and this wasn't really that long ago!
 
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