Braced Pistol stamp Watch Thread

Got approval of my formerly brace Equipped Noveske Diplomat Ar pistol today .Filed 11 Mar 23 , approval 29 Mar 23. Now waiting for the Ruger Charger PCC filed same day and the Leitner Wise SixEight pistol
 
I'm gonna gamble here and not register anything until I have to. It's a $200 gambling loss if the court sides with the B ATF E.
 
JERRY said:
I'm gonna gamble here and not register anything until I have to.
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You have until May 31st.


It's a $200 gambling loss if the court sides with the B ATF E.
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It's unlikely that any of the lawsuits filed over the arm brace rule will reach SCOTUS this year.

If you don't file a Form 1 during the forbearance period you are in illegal possession of an SBR.
 
skimming through this thread and using what information is provided .. am I correct only three approved thus far?
 
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I just received approval on one of the two eForm 1’s I submitted on 14 Jan. Both submitted under my trust, both for braced pistols. The only “proof” of ownership I included was a copy of my trust register, dated from last fall. Not notarized - just printed.

We’ll see if the second one follows in short order. It was stamped “Approved with conditions” and the condition at the end of the form that says, “Pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F”
 
In the thinking mode of a federal executive, they are assuming that the owner of an AR pistol with a pistol brace likely has a small or large collection of firearms, say 10 to 50, with averaging 25.

If ten million citizens register their AR pistols with pistol braces, that would provide the federal government with a new database of gun owners and addresses that very probable harbor caches of 250 million or more firearms.

A very effective database to use for subsequent firearms inspection and gun confiscation; low hanging fruit for any effort to reduce the number of guns in the US.

If you prefer not to register your AR pistol with a pistol brace as an SBR, perhaps purchase a rifle length barrel, and have a gunsmith install it with the required modifications.

Keep the receipts for the barrel purchase and gunsmithing costs. Gift the removed pistol length barrel to a relative without an AR pistol in case they want to build one in the future without a brace.

You now are in full compliance of the agency’s new rules.
 
SterlingBullet said:
In the thinking mode of a federal executive, they are assuming that the owner of an AR pistol with a pistol brace likely has a small or large collection of firearms, say 10 to 50, with averaging 25.

If ten million citizens register their AR pistols with pistol braces, that would provide the federal government with a new database of gun owners and addresses that very probable harbor caches of 250 million or more firearms.

A very effective database to use for subsequent firearms inspection and gun confiscation; low hanging fruit for any effort to reduce the number of guns in the US.

If you prefer not to register your AR pistol with a pistol brace as an SBR, perhaps purchase a rifle length barrel, and have a gunsmith install it with the required modifications.

Keep the receipts for the barrel purchase and gunsmithing costs. Gift the removed pistol length barrel to a relative without an AR pistol in case they want to build one in the future without a brace.

You now are in full compliance of the agency’s new rules.
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OK and your point is ???
Your echoing the ATF's own letter of what to do by modifying the Pistol braced weapon (which at this time has been officially listed as a SBR) into a rifle format ,or simply remove the brace and destroy / dispose of it (brace) thus it is a pistol. I'm not sure if many that have applied, are for a first time of NFA type weapons. But I'm pretty sure that many are in the same situation as I am. Prior to the brace rule and me filing, I already had NFA items for decades. I am already in that same "database" (NFRTR) to which you refer, which BTW has been woefully maintained for a while now. So whether I file under the brace rule or not I'm already in the database anyway. So what is the down side for those of us that are in my situation ? None I can see.
If I had never acquired any NFA items your argument might have had some sway. But those of us already in the NFRTR it doesn't in my opinion. Whether a person decides to register or not is their choice. If they don't wish to comply by not filing and keeping the offending brace on I honestly don't care. My comments and opinions aren't meant to sway people into filing because the truth is the less that does the faster my approval may happen. The thread was started to track NFA's approval rate/times not to discuss if one should file or dissuade for doing so. I think there is a pretty much dead post on here about that one could post those feelings.
 
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SterlingBullet said:
In the thinking mode of a federal executive, they are assuming that the owner of an AR pistol with a pistol brace likely has a small or large collection of firearms, say 10 to 50, with averaging 25.
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ATF literally cares not one bit how many guns the average gun owner has.

If ten million citizens register their AR pistols with pistol braces, that would provide the federal government with a new database of gun owners and addresses that very probable harbor caches of 250 million or more firearms.
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If the federal givernment wants a database of gun owners they can easily change federal law this afternoon. And they won't because current federal law prohibits a database of Title I firearms. If you don't want your name in the NFA Registry, then remeove and discard your arm brace and live life with a pistol.

A very effective database to use for subsequent firearms inspection and gun confiscation; low hanging fruit for any effort to reduce the number of guns in the US.
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You've never experienced an ATF firearm trace. Clown world. All such a trace does is document who last completed a Form 4473. It has NOTHING to do with who is in lawful possession.


If you prefer not to register your AR pistol with a pistol brace as an SBR, perhaps purchase a rifle length barrel, and have a gunsmith install it with the required modifications.
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Which is one of the options ATF recommends.

Keep the receipts for the barrel purchase and gunsmithing costs.
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For what reasons?
A receipt proves diddly squat.


Gift the removed pistol length barrel to a relative without an AR pistol in case they want to build one in the future without a brace.
You now are in full compliance of the agency’s new rules.
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There are many ways to be in compliance.;)
 
dogtown tom said:
you've never experienced an ATF firearm trace. Clown world. All such a trace does is document who last completed a Form 4473. It has NOTHING to do with who is in lawful possession.
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Been there done that many times. And yes I have even had the trace be a firearm that is in the current inventory on the shelf still new. All because the LEO misread the serial number.

Navy87Guy said:
It was stamped “Approved with conditions” and the condition at the end of the form that says, “Pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F”
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I suspect the reason for this is justification as to why the tax was deferred and not collected, the absence of a stamp affixed. I'm not a lawyer, work for the ATF, just my thoughts as to why the conditions was set forth.
 
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well I'm on day 60 not that I'm counting or anything :rofl:

But I was happy to see your got through BTW did you include a photo of the Item ... I didn't and even though I've heard is not a showstopper just curious
 
Sgt_Mike1 said:
well I'm on day 60 not that I'm counting or anything :rofl:

But I was happy to see your got through BTW did you include a photo of the Item ... I didn't and even though I've heard is not a showstopper just curious
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I only included a photo of the existing markings…nothing of the weapon overall.
 
Holy Crap when looking for the appeals process in case denied because I didn't include a photo of the item. I found this in the FAQ (#23) page 15
(https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/eformone-externalguidancewithqapdf/download)

" MY EFORM WAS DENIED AFTER THE 120-DAY TAX FORBEARANCE PERIOD, CAN I RESUBMIT THE APPLICATION TAX-FREE PURSUANT TO FINAL RULE 2021R-08F?
Answer: Yes, provided the application was not denied because of a failed background check. The option to register a firearm pursuant to Final Rule 2021R-08F will be disabled in the eForm system after the 120-day tax forbearance period. Any resubmission will need to be done using a paper Form 1. Guidance will be provided in the original disapproval and instructions for submitting a paper application can be found on the Form 1, Application to Make and Register a Firearm. "

:D now I can quit fretting over it.
 
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Completed my EForm 1's, but I'm a little confused by the CLEO copies. Is it my responsibility to drop them by the CLEO? Does ATF send them copies? Are we not in compliance if the local PD doesn't receive notification?
 
I submitted 3 amnesty eForms on 25 Mar 2023 via Silencer Shop's Full Auto system. I decided to go that route and pay the fee because: they already had all my info from a suppressor purchase, for the peace of mind of submitting an accurate form correctly and the simplicity...or so I thought. SS highly recommend pictures of just the engravings, which I submitted as well.

My forms were Ready to Certify in about two business days. Over the course of next three days I attempted to file over 30 times unsuccessfully. Each attempt, start to fail was 15 minutes. I started the process as soon as I seen the email (before leaving for work), when I returned home from work and into the evening. The next day I tried all day and into the morning. I finally gave up and emailed Full Auto Support and then chatted with SS Customer Service who said Full Auto Support is back logged two weeks on email. (I receive reply from them 6 April). On a whim, on 25 March at 1am, I tried again and was successful three times in a row.
Tick tock...
 
berettaprofessor said:
but I'm a little confused by the CLEO copies. Is it my responsibility to drop them by the CLEO? Does ATF send them copies? Are we not in compliance if the local PD doesn't receive notification?
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https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/eformone-externalguidancewithqapdf/download
on page 15
"20. WHERE DO I SEND THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER (CLEO) COPY OF MY APPLICATION?
Answer: The applicant or responsible persons are required to submit a completed copy of the application to the CLEO of the locality in which the applicant or responsible person is located. In the case of a business or legal entity, the CLEO to be notified will be where the firearm’s primary location will be."

the real question is did you do your submission yourself or did you go through somebody such as Silencer shop? Usually if you go through National gun trust or SS they usually handle it for you a quick check with them will verify. If you did your like mine it on the filer.
 
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Did it myself on the ATF website. I'll do it but the local PD will probably not be ready to handle it since they didn't understand what I needed fingerprints for. Should I do it as "submitted" or wait until i have notice of approval?

Looks like the penalties for not doing it are severe....$10000 and 10 years since it falls under violation of the NFA.
 
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