Bringing "you don't need that" closer to home

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12gaugeTim

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"Well, I support the second amendment, but I really can't see why anyone would need a military weapon like that."

And the rebuttal:

"Well, cars kills loads more people than guns every year, should we ban them too?"

I see this argument often and it never fails to agitate me. It's about as strong as rice paper. The implications of banning automobiles would entail a complete failure of our economy and way of life as we know it. Most of us could no longer live without automobiles.

It does, however, have potential. It's true driving is dangerous and causes thousands upon thousands of deaths yearly. It's true most people you meet drive daily (apart from inner city and the less fortunate). But how can we bring the analogy closer to home? Banning cars is preposterous. Lets make it more applicable.

The highest posted speed limit in the United States is 85 mph. Anything higher either isn't regulated by the state or is considered a speed limit free road. Therefore nobody needs a car that can go faster than 85 mph, and production of vehicles capable of 85+mph speeds should be banned and limited to the use of highway patrolmen and other LE/MIL personnel only. A registry of current production 85+ cars should be created to keep track of the dangerous people who own pre-ban cars. These pre-bans are grandfatherable but not transferable.

I think an analogy like this makes a lot more sense to someone who doesn't understand why people "need" military style weapons, and thinks they should be restricted to LE/MIL. There are, of course, legitimate arguments as to why owning said firearms absolutely should not be restricted, but this is specifically addressing the poor, and common, car&gun analogy.
 
It is a interesting argument and certainly more applicable. The problem is fear of guns. Some people are just plain afraid. They care not what is actually causing the problem. Think about a baseball bat, it is a tool that has a genuine sporting purpose. You can pick it up anywhere. In the hands of a bad person someone could be severely injured or killed. It has happened and would probably happen with greater frequency if guns were removed from society. So what is their answer then? regulate bats? You are not going to stop bad people from doing bad things, plain and simple. Goes to the saying; where there is a will, there is way. With a motivated person many things are possible.
 
it would assuredly piss off gun control advocates:D

Haha, no, that's what bayonet lugs are for. What I'm trying to do is to arm my fellow pro-gun advocates with the tools to inspire logical thought, unclouded by bias and emotion. Every gun control debate I've seen eventually turns into, "I'm going to say what I believe, you're going to say what you believe, and neither one of us are actually going to consider what each other has to say." A good way to get past that is with an analogy. A comparison to something you can almost bet they partake in regularly. The problem is, the most common analogy, for lack of a better phrase, totally sucks.

Here's another tool for discussion that brings the subject closer to home for most.

What unrestricted substance, with no practical use, causes 2x as many deaths as guns (4x when discounting suicides)?
That would be alcohol.
I don't need this "assault weapon"? Well you certainly don't need that alcoholic beverage. Think about it: alcohol intended for consumption has no legitimate use besides recreation. Whereas rifles can be used for hunting and defending yourself and your rights, alcohol serves zero productive purposes. If we are going to ban assault weapons (I hate using that term with a passion) because we don't need them, shouldn't we ban alcohol too? How many people are killed by rifles in mass shootings compared to how many people are killed on the road by a drunk driver. Intoxication related incidents. Liver disease. All avoidable deaths, yet banning alcohol never seems to surface as a topic of discussion.

If we keep banning things we don't need, will we end up only being entitled to food, water, air, and shelter?
 
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