Bush’s approval rating falls to new low

[R.H. Lee]

Actually, Monkeyleg, none of that applies. My problem with GWB is that he's a big government liberal hiding in 'conservative' clothing. He's completely unable/unwilling to win a war against a third world enemy; and has utterly failed to secure the borders against foreign invaders in the form of illegal aliens. Plus, he can hardly form a coherent sentence.

The only good he's done as far as I can tell is to keep Gore and Kerry out of the Whitehouse.

 

[torpid]

He was sort of like Mr. Rogers, except Mr. Rogers didn't have the code to launch nuclear weapons.

Please refrain from commenting on topics if you don't have access clearance to all the facts please.

 

[CAnnoneer]

What amazes me is that so many are willing to ascribe those events to one man.

The difficulty of the task is no excuse for incompetence. He has the most important office and greatest personal responsibility in this great country and is making a mess of everything he touches. He clearly does not have the mental, intellectual, moral, or psychological capacity to handle the post. If he had been an honorable man, he would have stepped down or just refused to run the second time.

He is an abysmal failure both as a president and as a person. But the real tragedy is that his personal tragedy and failure have become the tragedy and failure of this entire great nation. For that, US history will never forgive him, just as German history will never forgive Kaiser Wilhelm II.

There are challenges in all historical periods. Greatness is measured not by how many excuses a leader can conjure up, but how he faces, adapts to, and overcomes the challenges presented to him by his times.

Take this pathetic charicature of a leader and compare him to figures like Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, and Winston Churchill, and honestly tell yourself he does not make you sick to your stomach.

 

[SIGarmed]

Take this pathetic charicature of a leader and compare him to figures like Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, and Winston Churchill, and honestly tell yourself he does not make you sick to your stomach.

No. Sorry I don't buy it. Maybe if the real failure had actually done something about OBL in the 90's there would never have been an attack on 9-11.

The propoganda isn't fooling everyone.

 

[davec]

I don't think I'm alone in saying that George Bush's bold, decisive, clear leadership in this time of national tragedy will rescue him from his falling poll numbers.

We are lucky to have a man of such moral clarity and vision in the highest office in the land.

In the face of massive devastation to a major US city, George W. Bush is there to give comfort to the affected, raise the moral of the rescuers, and give clear direction to the machinery of the government to help alleviate the problems and save lives.

God Bless the United States.

God Bless George W. Bush.

 

[Monkeyleg]

OMG, it's 01:30 and I'm here responding to posts from people I know I won't ever win over.

Whatever.

CAnonneer, you and I will never reach even 10% agreement about GW. I see GW as rising to a historical challenge that most of us will never realize happened for another twenty or more years: the pacification of the Middle East. It's a challenge that can easily slip our grasp, but one that is worthy.

You see otherwise. So be it.

I don't need to compare him to THR or FDR. I only need to compare him to the man who sits in the White House while Middle Eastern terrorists are killing Americans.

Carter did as little as possible, as did Reagan, Bush 41, and Clinton.

GW has done something. You may not like it, Chirac and Schroeder may not like it, Al-JaZeera may not like it, but GW did something. Something huge.

All of us can sit back and micro-criticize the mistakes in the war. That's why history books are written: if Hitler had only done this, or if Churchill had only done that. Easy to write an "if-only" history book.

I'm 54, and it may well be that I will not see the outcome of the new Middle East strategy in my lifetime. Maybe you will, maybe you won't.

What I see is a president willing to take the fight where it belongs, just as FDR took us (for many, unwillingly) to Europe and the South Pacific.

Success for US forces in Europe and Japan depended upon so many unpredictable contingencies that I would bet you any amount of money that polls, if taken today, would oppose either action. Such is the character of the nation.

One critique of your posts I would offer is this: when you, Mr. Lee or others refer to the President in the usual "dumb, ineffective, incoherent, etc" terms, you lose probably 50% of the people you want to win over.

 

[Sindawe]

The propoganda isn't fooling everyone.

Show me Osama's head on a pike. Show me ANY Al-Quada leaders head on a pike, serving as dinner for ravens. Show me a border secure. Show me a terrorists training camp turned to glass. Show me a former leader in stocks for HIS failings, then perhaps I would think better of the man who holds the high office at the moment.

Yes, Bush the Younger will go down in the annals of history along side those other great men. Men such as Caligula, Ludwig and Chamberlain.

God Bless the United States.
God Bless George W. Bush.
God Bless us all. for THAT may be the only hope we have...

 

[CAnnoneer]

when you, Mr. Lee or others refer to the President in the usual "dumb, ineffective, incoherent, etc" terms, you lose probably 50% of the people you want to win over.

I respect the office, but I disrespect the man. That is why I avoid calling him "the President" or POTUS, etc., because in my eyes he disgraces the title merely by holding it. In fact, he disgraces America, and each and every one of us by his actions and inactions. Maybe it is not polite, but with a failure like that in office wrecking the country, I think we are well past polite.

I do not have any agenda to win anybody over, because I am not a member of any party to win anybody over to. I am only concerned with the truth and with what is good for America. Everything else is partisan nonsense, wiseguy manovers, and misplaced loyalties, which are some of the reasons we are in the mess we are in. We have reached such a stage of collective political pervesion that "partisan" and "patriot" have become practical antonyms.

IMO, GWB's screwups are not insignificant slip-ups to be knitpicked by armchair perfectionists, but a series of colossal blunders that will have the country reeling for decades to come and from which we may never have the chance to recover.

Yes, in the best case scenario, Iraq would be a good idea after all, but that scenario is extremely unlikely. Far more likely, we are stuck unable to win nor retreat. That is called a big old ironjaw trap, a leg buster. Meanwhile GIs are being killed and crippled while the country bleeds 20 billion dollars a month. A month! 1,800 dead and 27,000 wounded/crippled, and counting...

 

[Monkeyleg]

As I said, CAnnoneer, we're obviously not going to agree on GW. And I hate those threads where posters go back and forth for pages. There's just no point, and they become boring to read.

So, we agree to disagreee.

BTW, I even disagree with your sig line about Ruger.

After what Bill Ruger did during the AWB, I could never buy his products again.

I'm sure we'll find other points in common, though.

 

[jefnvk]

I respect the office, but I disrespect the man. That is why I avoid calling him "the President" or POTUS, etc., because in my eyes he disgraces the title merely by holding it. In fact, he disgraces America, and each and every one of us by his actions and inactions. Maybe it is not polite, but with a failure like that in office wrecking the country, I think we are well past polite.

And the same could probably be said of about any President. But, when things like this are said:

when you, Mr. Lee or others refer to the President in the usual "dumb, ineffective, incoherent, etc" terms, you lose probably 50% of the people you want to win over.

It does automatically turn me off from your argument. Anyone can just insult people. If you have to throw insults into your argument, it tells me you don't have much of an argument.

And that goes for any person, from Feinstein to Bush.

 

[joab]

I am only concerned with the truth and with what is good for America.

Buy American, buy Ruger

Interesting, you do realize that Bill sold the American gun owner out worse than S&W did.

Just sayin is all.
I'll leave now

 

[Baba Louie]

Even Churchill was voted out of office in July of '45 as the populace had had enough of him. (as if WWII was all his fault)

Great men do great things, as in our nation's forefathers. If you were a Native American or a Loyalist, you saw and knew things from a different perspective and were just as right, only you were standing in the way of something so big and so right and so overwhelming your voice was lost in the mayhem that became this great nation. (See how brainwashed I was as a child?)

We'll see the pendulum swing the other direction, certainly. We'll probably see Hillary or John McCain elected our next President, the Democrats take back some or all of Congress, taxes go up, socialism come back into vogue, guns and their owners go back to being demonized, more police, more illegal immigration, more terrorism, crime, War on Drug acts of small atrocities (if they happen to you or near you), SCOTUS make more rulings that go against what we know to be right...
...and maybe we'll be standing and shouting for the wrong cause, on the wrong side of the tracks...

Maybe China should take over being the World's Policeman (there's a Happy thought for ya). We know how they deal with troublemakers. Their leaders probably don't care how their poll numbers look. They can then spread a different version of democracy on unwanted nation-states.

And I also like Ruger's firearms... whether they can shoot 15 rounds of 9mm or not. I try not to cut off my nose to spite my face too often.

YMMV

 

[bg]

Gotta say one thing. The guy has been hammered since getting into
office. First just getting into office was a strange ride, then Red China
kidnapped one of our Air Force planes, takes the crew hostage, and
gets secrets and classified info from the planes equip.

Next comes the act of war 09-11-2001. Now we all remember watching
those planes hit the towers, the Pentagon, along with the aftermath
in Pa. He and others have this on their laps with a lot of people
wondering WTH ? Now what are you going to do Mr. Pres ?

Well we know what's happened. Afghanistan and Iraq. The Campaign in
Iraq was again handled pretty quick, it's the results of the invasion
that has us in a deadly mix-em-up now. Bless our troops.

Now parts of the south are now underwater with a mess so terrible,
don't know how bad it will get. Right now it's pretty nasty, but
soon winter will be moving in and the sickness from left over bodies
etc, will start to manifest. Yikes.

Gas prices are going nuts, and you can bet the Dems, though not
showing it yet are salivating at the jowls watching this all unfold.
They know the 06 election is just around the corner. I believe
they are content to watch the Pres try and handle the tragedy
down south. I don't know if they think he'll lose it or not, but
I would think there is one woman who is Sen for NY watching
this VERY closely.

The Pres might remind some of Alfred E Newman, but I sure wouldn't
want his job right about now. I was watching him on TV today.
Goodness how his hair has turned silvery gray. He looked older than
his Father when he and former Pres Clinton were at the news
conference this morning.

Man o man. Sorry. Looks like it was/is more than just one thing..

 

[joab]

Goodness how his hair has turned silvery gray. He looked older than
his Father when he and former Pres Clinton were at the news
conference this morning.

Reagan was the only president that I knw of that actually got younger looking with service

 

[cracked butt]

The name of the thread should be:

Hi, I'm Rick Reno, and I'm very disappointed with Dubya. This is my thread for the day of why I don't like him because of something insignificant he has done.

 

[cracked butt]

Show me Osama's head on a pike. Show me ANY Al-Quada leaders head on a pike, serving as dinner for ravens. Show me a border secure. Show me a terrorists training camp turned to glass. Show me a former leader in stocks for HIS failings, then perhaps I would think better of the man who holds the high office at the moment.

Show me a terrorist attack on American Soil since 9/11/2001.

Yes we do have some of the key al queda masterminds and operatives in custody, but Gitmo isn't a good enough place for them according to the American left.

 

[shadow33]

YAY, my 2 cents

Hey everyone whats up. I figure I should throw in my 2 worthless cents to make some happy and piss the rest off.

First off, you have to admit, there are way to many strange coincendences between the bush family and oil, and the vice prez and haliburton. I'm not here to change peoples minds, I just want people to sit back and look at things without attaching emotions or being biased.

I'm sure there are some good things the GWB has done, but to be honest, does all that matter now when everything is going to hell? Here is a man that has a great responsibility, but he can't make a decision on his own without consulting a ton of other people.

Up in Alberta, an oil sand's deposit has been popping up in the news and it is reported that it has the potential of 315billion barrels that could be used. Instead of the US jumping on to get some of this good stuff, china is buying ???? up in the area to help its economy.
I'm not blaming the oil problems on bush, I'm just saying something is really F'ed up when ever since this man got into office, the price keeps going up.

There is a lot of ???? that can be said about this guy, but there is one that has always bothered me and stills does.

When asked long time ago about what historical figure he most relates himself to, what did good 'ol dubya say: "Jesus Christ"

I'm sorry guys, but anyone who relates themselves to Jesus (if you believe or not) shouldn't be given this much power. I didn't support him in the beginning and I still don't. I have a lot of the same believes that alot of you do about firearms, boarder patrol and all the other ????. I do believe in god and I try to do what is right most of the time......but I can't even begin to understand what the hell is wrong with this guy when so many things go wrong and they just keep getting worse.

I hope everyone agrees with me that something more must be done than flying over the damaged land and asking daddy bush my Clinton to help raise money. I don't know boys and girls, it just seems like everything is going to hell really fast.

Now, i'm going to get back to reading everyone's posts before i jump into bed.

oh and sorry about any bad spelling :banghead:

 

[Taurus 66]

Nero fiddles while Rome burns (well, he rode a bicycle). Is it any surprising wonder why Bush's approval ratings are so low? #1. He's on his second term, so nothing really matters. He'd rather hide away on a ranch and ride his bicycle in circles or shoot 9 holes of golf than worry about the troops overseas. PLEASE DON'T BOTHER HIM! He's a busy man. #2. The republican presidency is currently partying with the '90s throwback socialist Clinton party - first in tsunami relief, now in south coast relief. #3. He is fighting the right war (Iarq) the wrong way. The right war would be to send in a strong attack from the air, next send in choppers, tanks, then troops. Bush is doing the opposite minus the air attack. #4. He appears to be uncoordinated in his efforts for this hurricane disaster. It goes on and on.

 

[Ezekiel]

... first Tuesday in November, 2004. Me and 63 million of my friends said he was okay.

Didn't approximately 63 million people say the opposite?

I don't buy ratings and have no significant issue with our President discounting them: I still think he sucked from day one...

I give him full credit for being stubborn though. Like Reagan, Bush II seems to have a vision -- that he cannot well articulate but his actions define -- and he does not waver. If history serves him well then I am the dumbass.

 

[CAnnoneer]

When asked long time ago about what historical figure he most relates himself to, what did good 'ol dubya say: "Jesus Christ"

That's plain scary. I shudder to interpret that. It says so much in so few words...

 

[Warbow]

When asked long time ago about what historical figure he most relates himself to, what did good 'ol dubya say: "Jesus Christ"

Show me the citation.

There was a question about which philosopher he most admired during one of the debates with Al Gore, and he said Jesus Christ.

But you're going to have to show me where he said he relates himself to JC.

 

[joab]

Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible to be Christ llike

 

[CAnnoneer]

Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible to be Christ llike

I'll be happy to give GWB half of what I have if he gives me half of what he has. Same applies to all rich and powerful that beat their righteous Christian breast in public.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Didn't approximately 63 million people say the opposite?

I don't buy ratings and have no significant issue with our President discounting them: I still think he sucked from day one...

Yep so vote for the "Hero" Kerry. That's what makes the country go round...

Sure glad we don't have to put up with the "global test" BS. Oh, and by the way when you are paying your taxes to the UN, smile. (and don't complain to your elected officials ... oh I forgot YOU WON'T HAVE ANY)

 

[Flyboy]

Show me a terrorist attack on American Soil since 9/11/2001.

Q. Why do elephants paint their toenails red?

A. So they can hide in the strawberry patches.

What, you don't believe me? Show me an elephant in a strawberry patch.


Yeah, it's pretty glib, but it's the same specious argument. I'm not saying Bush hasn't improved national security, but you don't argue that by saying "nothing has happened." You argue it by citing examples of specifically how he's done it--in this case, cite examples of terrorist plots that were foiled by the appropriate agencies. Bonus points if they would not have been foiled under the previous policies. I'm not saying that such cases don't exist, but to argue that just because we haven't seen another attack means that Bush saved us is no different than the elephant in the strawberry patch.