Buy American or foreign?

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There is many fine foreign products.
I myself have not had the fortitude to ignore them out of a sense of moral obligation, but I can certainly appreciate people that do and will not belittle them.



Most of us are raised to be selfish today. To hold value and a good deal above all else. We can invent plenty of excuses to justify it:
If a domestic manufacturer wanted our business they could produce just as good or better of a product and sell it for less or at the same price as products made in a nation with workers operating under poor conditions and who barely make enough to eat.
Yeah!
We can support barbaric treatment of those people, even to save just a small percent, while at the same time demanding better salaries and conditions here.
We are a nation of selfish hypocrites. Where the most successful business models are those that import the lowest priced products from nations with the least compassion for their workers, in the highest numbers.

Part of the problem of course is those that support freedom have been taught by party lines and big business that freedom involves free-trade.
Republicans backed by big business teach it.
Democrats support it, Clinton signed NAFTA.
'Free-trade' is complete crap, and the founders knew it.
Tariffs and duties were charged for many imports during their time. The purpose of which is to push the price of foreign goods up, insuring people don't buy foreign to save a few pennies, and only when the foreign product is actually good enough to pay more money for.
No I don't support actually banning or restricting those foreign products from being imported either, which is also done in some cases today. That is not freedom either.


Gun manufacturing is one of the few industries protected by legislation that gives domestic manufacturers some advantage over foreign products.
Just look at the points system for import of revolvers and pistols, making it impossible to import many of the most popular designs, and insuring American companies don't even have to compete with foreign production.
Or 922r type legislation with long guns, sporting configuration requirements, etc that give domestic manufacturers an advantage over foreign.
However contrary to what I posted above I do not support that hypocrisy, it is not a flat tariff, a tariff on par with what is imposed on all other imported products (of which there is none on many things today.) No they are blanket bans on importation of certain firearms or configurations entirely.
It would also be hypocritical to support even tariffs for firearms when it is not done for most other industries, and only for firearms.
That is wrong as well.

Tariffs should be imposed across the board on most imported products, not huge ones, but enough to cause people to pick American over Chinese when the difference is a couple percent price difference.
They should be designed to encourage domestic production and local business.
Not benefit multinational corporations who are selfish and teach that free trade and the free market equal freedom because it is more profitable to have factories in China, their headquarters on an island with lower taxes, and no loyalty to any nation, morals, or ideals.
But it would have to equally apply to most industries, not a couple.
While domestic taxes should be lower.
There is very clear ways to have a booming economy, but we would rather be selfish.


But then again the selfish situation does make nations less patriotic, and ties economies of nations with opposing ideals together instead of letting them be independent. That probably reduces the occurrence of large scale industrial wars. After all China and the US would probably be doing a lot more military posturing and similar to the times of the Cold War if our economies were not intertwined and mutually dependent on the other.
Millions of people are not sent off to die every couple decades as the early 20th century showed was going to be the norm with an industrialized world.

So you know what, I don't have the answer after all. Selfish multinational big business with no loyalty to any ideals or any nation, and who would abandon the US if profit dictated, may be benefiting us after all.
Now to go price some foreign imports.
 
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The last gun I bought was a recent import. It was made for the Swiss Army 40 years ago and cost me $2500. Am I going to hell?

:banghead:


"We are a nation of selfish hypocrites."

You might be, I'm not, so speak for yourself. Neither am I stupid.

John
 
It's about the parable of the broken window for me. The more I spend on something means that I have less to spend on something else. It doesn't matter what I'm buying, if I can get an equivalent product for a lesser price, it benefits everyone that I still have the extra cash to spend on something else.

I don't think I have the opportunity to buy products from countries that I really have issues with, as I get older I despise greedy unions more than child labor. Unions protect their members rights to not have to work. Children working in sweatshops is often their best opportunity to improve their lives, and it's better than starving. I think we have done our youth a disservice by disallowing them from working until they are older. We have come a long way from children in coal mines, and I think kids could benefit from some honest labor.

I buy my foreign made products from Americans, so they benefit from my purchase, and I benefit from being able to keep more of my cash. I don't see what is more American than that.
 
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I try to buy American, but every time I do, I end up with a gun from brazil, so I said forget it and started buying russian... At least those are Really made in Russia. I was shocked and appalled when I turned over my springfield and saw an Imbel Brazil mark on the bottom.
 
I was shocked and appalled when I turned over my springfield and saw an Imbel Brazil mark on the bottom.
Except for a few of the 1911s made by their Custom Shop, all handguns sold by Springfield Armory are made in another country (Brazil or Croatia). It's been that way for decades.
 
My 'budget' Romanian WASR-10 is now at 3000+ rounds, six years, never cleaned and hasn't even hinted at malfunctioning---should I trade up?

Point being, apart from my 'no commie' rule I'm flexible if the quality proposition is good for the money (and yes, *I know* I have let it go that AK's are Soviet bloc weapons in design).
 
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It's basically a tie breaker for me. A product has to first meet my needs (quality, form, funciton, price, etc). So it's a tie breaker for me in a way. If 2+ products meet my needs and one is American, I'll pick the American product every time, of course. I think most of us would.

Now, if no American made product fits my need, or does not fit it as well I'm simply not going to buy it. When my wife and I were shopping for a mid to full size car, the only one that fit into our budget AND worked for our height differences (she's 5', I'm 6'7") was the Toyota Avalon. Of course, like firearms, I buy used, so American vs foreign does not matter as much.

And the car example is particularly muddy. What is more American, the Ford that is assembled in Mexico ... or the Toyota that is made in Kentucky? The GM that is made in Canada, or the Hyundai that is made in Alabama?
 
I buy what I want. To me, that's part of "freedom". I have made no effort (regarding firearms) to "regulate" from where each comes. Looking at them now, there are two from Brazil, one from Argentina, one from Canada, and the other eleven hail from here. There are two more which I no longer own; one was from here and the other was from Germany.
If I never bought anything made in China, I'd go broke. Just the truth, no emotion behind it.
 
You lose absolutely NOTHING in buying American.

Ruger and S&W make very fine rifles and handguns. I'd put Ruger and S&W right up there with Glock or Sig.

I'll probably own a Glock 19 sometime in the near future. But, a Ruger SR9c is a must have in my book.
 
Gun buying is the one place where I support diversity and multiculturalism. I have guns made in:

Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
China
Czechoslovakia
England
Egypt
Finland
France
Germany
India
Italy
Japan
Korea
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
United States

Most of these guns are military collectibles. In term of non military guns though I buy strictly on quality. Most times guns made in the USA are better. However with semi auto pistols there aren't any US designs I like, and prefer pistols made in Germany or Italy.
 
Do any of the buy-American folks own any foreign stocks or bonds?
How about South African Krugerrands?
Scotch or imported beer?
Drywall from China. :cuss:

John
 
The made in USA 1911 I had came with plenty of MIM parts and a cast slide and frame.
I was glad to find a made in China 1911 with solid forged steel everything.
...and, when I can find a made in USA Swiss K31 chambered for 308, I will buy it...especially if it is around the $150 I paid for my Swiss version.
 
I buy whatever I want from whoever is selling it at the best price. My mossberg Maverick 88 shotguns are assembled in Texas with some parts from mexico. Both of my AK-47's are romanian but they have US made trigger groups. No clue where the bullpup stock kit on that one came from but the other one has an Israeli made Mako Group stock. So does my Saiga .308 but it was made in russia. The metal mags I bought for it from csspecs are american made tho and I was willing to pay the hefty price tag for the good metal mags not just because they were american made and gave me the compliance parts but because they were what I wanted and well made.

So the question I have is where are my weapons from if they have parts from all over?

This laptop I am on says it was assembled in china, I just popped the optical drive out of there tho and it says it is a product of Malaysia.

What if I were to buy a weapon that was made and assembled here in America of all American made parts but the metal ore was mined in China, Russia, or India. Then would it really be an American made gun?

If anyone has any of these weapons from other countries that they no longer wish to have PM me your address and I'll send you a postage paid UPS or FedEx label so you can ship it to my local FFL.

I think TexasBill summed it up pretty well
I would love to buy more American products. But that means somebody needs to make more products I want to buy in America.
 
Buy American & America Works !
actually its a handful of americans and a ton of legal and illegal immigrants work.

i rarely buy new rifles and there are not any american made rifles i would buy but there are several german, british, austrian, french & czech rifles i would buy over any american rifle thats currently in production.
now with full blown customs bolt rifles the worlds best builders are currently americans
 
...some that prefer to buy American, but will buy quality if if comes from a foreign manufacturer...

Yep. Unfortunately, that knocks many American made products out of the running.
 
I buy the best product I can for the intend use regardless of where it was made. This applies to guns, cars, TV, computers etc... We live in a global economy and that it not going to change anytime soon.
 
When I bought my benelli and later my tikka, I hated the fact that they were not made in the USA. But at the end of the day I bought what I wanted and don't regret it.
 
Except for a few of the 1911s made by their Custom Shop, all handguns sold by Springfield Armory are made in another country (Brazil or Croatia). It's been that way for decades.

The XDs are Croatian designed and produced...'Springfield Armory' is just the US distributor. The first time the Croatians tried to market the pistol, then called the HS2000, it flopped.

OTOH....most Glocks sold in the US are made in the US, in a factory in GA, I believe.
 
Just did a quick count 57% american. Never really thought about it. I would have guessed soviet arms would have taken the cake. I guess my tastes are getting more expensive. ...sigh...
 
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