Bystander shoots alleged car burglar in buttocks

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Dec. 1, 2003, 6:57AM
Bystander shoots alleged car burglar in buttocks
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle

A Baytown man was shot and killed early Saturday when a bystander caught him breaking into cars at a southeast Houston apartment complex, police said.

Hector Faz, 23, was allegedly burglarizing cars in the 8400 block of Winkler at 3:40 a.m. when someone yelled at him to leave, witnesses told police. When Faz refused to get off the property, the person yelling at him shot him in the buttocks, homicide investigators said.

Faz then jumped into his own car and drove two blocks down the street before crashing into a residence, police said. The bullet that pierced his buttocks was found to have exited his body through the upper groin, police said.

Faz, of the 400 block of South Road, died at Ben Taub Hospital. Police have not determined who shot him.
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What a way to go.

 

[BluesBear]

Police have not determined who shot him.

psssst don't tell anyone, but it was...




Paul Kersey









Personally I hope they're not looking.
I am sure they have more important things to do.

 

[Beren]

As much as I hate to see someone die over property, it was nighttime - so this was a legal shoot under Texas law, yes?

 

[PCRCCW]

And its a legal shoot in UT also........
Shoot well.

 

[El Tejon]

Vishnu save us!

 

[Joe Demko]

The exit wound is the particularly horrifying part. There's just something about groin wounds that makes me queasy...

 

[clubsoda22]

As much as I hate to see someone die over property, it was nighttime - so this was a legal shoot under Texas law, yes?

Even if it was legal, it still wasn't reasonable SD.

 

[TallPine]

Even if it was legal, it still wasn't reasonable SD.

Your opinion ...

They hang horse thieves, don't they?

(well, we used to - back in the "civilized' west )

 

[sturmruger]

Too Bad

Here in the great state of WI I do not believe I can legally shoot someone for rummaging around in my car. The next thing is I don't know if I could shoot that person in good conscience. I have clearly stated in past threads that whenever I hear about stupid criminals getting shot in the process of their crimes it makes me laugh. I just don’t know if I would want to be the person that puts the lights out. If you shot someone that was stealing your car would it bother me??? HELL NO if you feel that you need to protect your property then go for it.

My decision is that I will only use deadly force if I am in fear of my life, or the life of another human being.

 

[El Tejon]

Shot in the buttocks and die? How can this be? Hey, wait a minute, I remember the thread on that White Hippo ammo that stated (with a straight face) that being shot in the buttocks could not be fatal

Maybe Batman de Tejas was using the new White Hippo stuff?

 

[Daniel T]

Your opinion ...

My opinion too. The punishment should fit the crime, and theft does not deserve death. I'm not going to shed any tears, but I'm also not going to pretend that it was a righteous thing to do.

 

[TallPine]

The punishment should fit the crime, and theft does not deserve death.

Okay, suppose a police officer had been the shooter ...

People get killed all the time for resisting arrest, but that is okay I guess.

 

[Dain Bramage]

"..being shot in the buttocks could not be fatal.."

I know this was said in jest, but there are a lot of blood vessels in that area. Through and through shot. A lot of nerve endings too, I hear. Eeeesh!

 

[El Tejon]

Dain, I said in jest but there was an article on White Hippo/APLP "new" ammo here on THR which stated that this was not the case.

Imagine, ammo makers with no clue as to fighting.

 

[QuarterBoreGunner]

being shot in the buttocks could not be fatal

Through and through wound piercing the femoral artery along the inner high probably... a Type 2 incapacitation; LOC from blood loss leading to death.

I agree that I can't shout from the rooftops 'RIGHTOUS SHOOT'; this punk was 23, well old enough to be responsible for his actions though so I won't shed a tear at his passing. I suppose his cronies never related to him the potential down-sides to this line of revenue enhancment...

 

[Ukraine Train]

I was thinking it hit the femoral artery too, I think that artery is at least as big as a quarter in diameter. Lose a lot of blood really fast through it.

 

[Daniel T]

People get killed all the time for resisting arrest, but that is okay I guess.

Heh, I guess you haven't read any of my posts in threads about questionable police shootings. In short, no, it's not ok, it's an unpunished crime.

 

[clubsoda22]

if the bullet did exit his groin, maybe the perp ended himself?

Anyway, there's a reason that you should carry non-lethal options (like pepper spray)--for non-lethal situations (duh).

Otherwise, you can insult the guys mother until he does attack you.

 

[Billmanweh]

Until police find the killer, how could this be called self defense? Sounds to me, on the surface, that he may have been breaking into cars and was murdered.

 

[Top_Notch]

Million dollar wound.

 

[buzz_knox]

Imagine, ammo makers with no clue as to fighting.

More like ammo makers using a lot of technobabble and BS to get around actual testing. What was the argument again? "Our round is so special that the testing that works for all other rounds won't work for it." Of course, said ammo maker has explained that he doesn't even understand how his stuff does what it does. Whoops.

As for the shooting, it's kind of poetic that one pain in the butt eliminates another one.

 

[jsalcedo]

If you commit property crimes in Texas at night expect to be shot.

Its the cost of doing business.

 

[Smoke]

Even though there is a mention of protecting property in TX law it is not absolute.

What that means is this shooter could face serious time for his actions. Also consider that this case could easily land in court in Houston (A very Major metropolitan area) with big city attitudes.

Be interesting to see how this one plays out.

Smoke

edited to add: Pelvic girdle is very good shot palcement.(even if you go into it backwards) Odds are very good he will go down even if not killed. Bust the pelvic bones and he won't walk. Sever one of the major arteries in there and he will bleed out quickly (probably the case here). Lots of nerves in there too.

 

[Carlos]

Whew. The way I see it, the thief was given the chance to leave and refused. He deserved everything he got.

Good riddance.

 

[TallPine]

They should have headlined the story:

"Car Thief Shot in the Act"